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'''A-Team''' is a 2.9.21 temperament generated by a tempered zo fourth (21/16) with a size ranging from 461.54¢ (5\13) to 470.78¢ (the pure value for 21/16). Any EDO that has an interval within the range 461.54¢ to 470.78¢ will support A-Team. Three 21/16's are equated to one 9/8, which means that the [[color notation|latrizo]] comma (1029/1024) is tempered out. Its name is a pun on the 18 notes in its proper scale, which is a [[13L_5s|13L 5s]] MOS.
#redirect [[Subgroup temperaments #A-team]]


It's natural to consider A-Team a 2.9.21.5 temperament by also equating two 9/8's with one 5/4, tempering out 81/80; generators optimized for tempering out 81/80 also tend to generate the melodically best scales. The generator generates [[3L 2s]], [[5L 3s]], and [[5L 8s]] MOSes, most notably the 8-note "oneirotonic" MOS; see also [[13edo#Modes_and_Harmony_in_the_Oneirotonic_Scale]]. Any EDO with an interval between 461.54¢ and 466.67¢ can be reasonably said to support 2.9.21.5 A-Team.
[[Category:Rank-2 temperaments]]
 
[[Category:Subgroup temperaments]]
[[13edo]], [[18edo]], [[31edo]], and [[44edo]] (with generators 5\13, 7\18, 12\31, and 17\44 respectively) all support 2.9.21.5 A-Team with their closest approximations to 9/8 and 21/16.  13edo, while representing the 2.9.21.5 subgroup less accurately, gives some chords extra interpretations; for example, the chord P1-d4-m5-m7 (O#-J-K-M in Kentaku notation) represents both 8:10:11:13 and 13:16:18:21 in 13edo. 31edo gives the [[optimal patent val]] for 2.9.21.5 A-Team and tunes the 13:17:19 chord to within 1.1 cents. 44edo is similar to 31edo but better approximates 11, 13, 17, and 19 as harmonics with the generator chain, and additionally provides the 23th harmonic.
 
==Notation==
There are several ways to notate A-Team in a JI-agnostic way:
#The octatonic notation described by Cryptic Ruse (Dylathian = CDEFGHABC with C = 261.62 Hz) and Kentaku (Ilarnekian = JKLMNOPQJ with J ≈ 180 Hz), based on the oneirotonic 5L 3s scale.
#Using the [[pergen]] (P8, M9/3). Though the tuning lacks perfect fifths, three 21/16 generators are equal to twice a perfect fifth (i.e. a conventional major ninth).
#As every other note of the third-fifths pergen (P8, P5/3). This is backwards compatible with a notation that has fifths.
 
==A-Team tuning spectrum==
==="Meantone" A-Team tunings===
If you optimize the tuning for tempering out 81/80, the generator size ranges from 13edo's 461.54 cents to 18edo's 466.67 cents. This range offers the best ratio of large to small melodic steps too: ranging from 13edo's L:s = 2:1 to 18edo's L:s = 3:1; 18edo's oneirotonic is analogous to 17edo's diatonic scale in that L/s = 3, while 13edo is analogous to 12edo.
 
[[18edo]] (466.67 cents) is an edge case, as it tempers out 81/80 but fails to approximate other JI intervals like 13edo and 31edo do.
===="19-limit A-Team": The 13edo-to-31edo range====
'''tl;dr:''' [[44edo]] good
 
The generator ccupies the flat end of the spectrum, from 13edo's 461.54 cents to 31edo's 464.52 cents.
 
Surprisingly, A-Team tunings in this range can approximate some high-limit JI chords, owing to the generator being close to the 17/13 ratio and three of them approximating both 9/8 and 10/9, thus approximating their [[mediant]] 19/17. The 11th harmonic makes an appearance too, because it is approximated by both 13edo and 31edo. Thus A-Team can be viewed as representing the no-3, no-7 19-odd limit. If you optimize for this 19 limit harmony you also pretty much get the 23rd harmonic for free.
 
The most plentiful consonant triad in A-Team scales is 4:9:21 or 8:18:21 (the voicing of the 21th harmonic is important for making it sound smooth), followed by 13:17:19 and 4:5:9.
 
A-Team[13] in the following tuning has five copies of 4:5:9:13:17:21, five copies of 5:9:13:17:19:21, three copies of 4:5:9:11, two copies of 4:5:9:11:13, two copies of 4:5:9:13:17:19:21, and one copy of 4:9:11:(15):21:23. The 13-note [[MODMOS]] given by flattening just the seventh and eighth degrees of the LsLssLsLssLss mode of A-Team[13] by the 13-generator interval (~25.5 cents) gives the entire 4:5:9:11:13:17:19:21:23 otonal chord over a single root.
 
Extending the chain beyond 13 notes gives good, though irregular, mappings of 3/2 (with -17 generators) and 7/4 (with -15 generators) in the "better" tunings.
=====Interval chain=====
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! | Generators
! | Cents (*)
! | Ratios (**)
! | Octatonic notation
! | Generators
! | 2/1 inverse (*)
! | Ratios (**)
! | Octatonic notation
|-
|colspan=8|The "diatonic" 8-note scale has the following intervals:
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 0
| style="text-align:right;" | 0
| style="text-align:center;" | 1/1
| style="text-align:center;" | P1
| style="text-align:center;" | 0
| style="text-align:right;" | 1200
| style="text-align:center;" | 2/1
| style="text-align:center;" | P9
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 1
| style="text-align:right;" | 463.17
| style="text-align:center;" | '''21/16''', 13/10, 17/13
| style="text-align:center;" | P4
| style="text-align:center;" | -1
| style="text-align:right;" | 736.83
| style="text-align:center;" | 32/21, 20/13
| style="text-align:center;" | P6
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 2
| style="text-align:right;" | 926.35
| style="text-align:center;" | 12/7, 17/10
| style="text-align:center;" | M7
| style="text-align:center;" | -2
| style="text-align:right;" | 273.66
| style="text-align:center;" | 7/6, 20/17
| style="text-align:center;" | m3
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 3
| style="text-align:right;" | 189.52
| style="text-align:center;" | '''9/8''', 10/9, 19/17
| style="text-align:center;" | M2
| style="text-align:center;" | -3
| style="text-align:right;" | 1010.48
| style="text-align:center;" | 16/9, 9/5
| style="text-align:center;" | m8
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 4
| style="text-align:right;" | 652.69
| style="text-align:center;" | 16/11, 13/9, 19/13
| style="text-align:center;" | M5
| style="text-align:center;" | -4
| style="text-align:right;" | 547.31
| style="text-align:center;" | '''11/8''', 18/13
| style="text-align:center;" | m5
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 5
| style="text-align:right;" | 1115.86
| style="text-align:center;" | 40/21, 21/11, 19/10
| style="text-align:center;" | M8
| style="text-align:center;" | -5
| style="text-align:right;" | 84.14
| style="text-align:center;" | 20/19, 21/20, 22/21, 23/22
| style="text-align:center;" | m2
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 6
| style="text-align:right;" | 379.04
| style="text-align:center;" | '''5/4'''
| style="text-align:center;" | M3
| style="text-align:center;" | -6
| style="text-align:right;" | 820.97
| style="text-align:center;" | 8/5, 21/13
| style="text-align:center;" | m7
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 7
| style="text-align:right;" | 842.21
| style="text-align:center;" | 18/11, '''13/8'''
| style="text-align:center;" | A6
| style="text-align:center;" | -7
| style="text-align:right;" | 357.79
| style="text-align:center;" | 11/9, 16/13
| style="text-align:center;" | d4
|-
|colspan=8|The "chromatic" 13-note scale also has the following intervals:
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 8
| style="text-align:right;" | 105.38
| style="text-align:center;" | '''17/16'''
| style="text-align:center;" | A1 (the chroma for oneirotonic)
| style="text-align:center;" | -8
| style="text-align:right;" | 1094.62
| style="text-align:center;" | close to '''15/8'''
| style="text-align:center;" | d9
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 9
| style="text-align:right;" | 568.55
| style="text-align:center;" | close to 32/23
| style="text-align:center;" | A4
| style="text-align:center;" | -9
| style="text-align:right;" | 631.45
| style="text-align:center;" | close to '''23/16'''
| style="text-align:center;" | d6
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 10
| style="text-align:right;" | 1031.73
| style="text-align:center;" | 20/11
| style="text-align:center;" | A7
| style="text-align:center;" | -10
| style="text-align:right;" | 168.27
| style="text-align:center;" | 11/10
| style="text-align:center;" | d3
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 11
| style="text-align:right;" | 294.90
| style="text-align:center;" | 13/11, '''19/16'''
| style="text-align:center;" | A2
| style="text-align:center;" | -11
| style="text-align:right;" | 905.10
| style="text-align:center;" | 22/13
| style="text-align:center;" | d8
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 12
| style="text-align:right;" | 758.07
| style="text-align:center;" | close to 14/9
| style="text-align:center;" | A5
| style="text-align:center;" | -12
| style="text-align:right;" | 441.93
| style="text-align:center;" | close to 9/7
| style="text-align:center;" | d5
|}
(*) using the 2.9.21.5.11.13.17.19 POTE generator; cf. the 44edo generator of 463.64¢ and the 2.9.21.5.11.13 POTE generator of  463.50¢
 
(**) 2.9.21.5.11.13.17.19 interpretations; harmonics are in bold
 
==="Superpythagorean" tunings===
In general using a sharper 21/16 is better if you don't care about approximating 5/4 and only care about optimizing the 4:9:21 triad.  Apart from that, there's little common JI interpretation shared by these sharper tunings. One possible tradeoff is that small steps in the oneirotonic scale get smaller than 1/3-tones (as in 18edo) and become quarter-tones (as in 23edo) and thus become less melodically distinct, much like 22edo superpyth[7].
 
Using a pure 21/16 of 470.78¢ results in an extremely lopsided oneirotonic scale with L/s  = 4.60. Harmonically this results in a 9/8 of 212.342 cents which is very much in the superpyth range (for comparison, [[17edo]]'s 9/8 is 211.765 cents). Instead of approximating 16/11, the "major tritone" in oneirotonic (J-N in Kentaku notation) will be a very flat fifth of 683.123 cents, constrasting with the very sharp 40/21 fifth (729.2 cents). The flat fifths give shimmery detuned versions of zo (subminor) triads 6:7:9 and sus2 triads 8:9:12. All these intervals contribute to the scale's overall gently shimmery quality which the 23edo version shares too.
 
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