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| | '''Hello there! This page is for general discussion on how to improve the wiki. A community wish list of sorts.''' |
| : This revision was by author [[User:williamcopper|williamcopper]] and made on <tt>2014-08-07 12:08:01 UTC</tt>.<br>
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| <div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">=Future of this wiki= | |
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| ==A To-Do list, all points of discussion==
| | If you have an experimental proposal for changing or adding to the wiki in a new way, post it on this page. |
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| ===Transfer from riters.com===
| | If you have a proposal to improve the basic fundamentals of the wiki, post it at: [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Things to do|Things to Do]]. |
| There are still a couple of pages at http://riters.com/microtonal that could be copied over if we want this to be the one true wiki.
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| ===Improved Yahoo! search engine===
| | For bugs, please report them at: [[Bugs]]. |
| Now that you can do an advanced search of the tuning (or other) list over the entirety of its life on Yahoo, there is less need to copy things from the tuning list archive. On the other hand, particularly well-written emails might deserve to get their own page. Authors' permissions necessary?
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| ===Database of "microtonal solutions"===
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| not only examples of hardware-software setups as Jon Szanto has repeatedly suggested, but also acoustic solutions, experiencial instrument-making info, a list with the location of every known rare microtonal instrument, and perhaps a way for composers to write for such instruments (providing the curators of them want this)
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| An instrument-centric approach: [[MicrotonalInstruments]]
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| ===Improved Listening List===
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| The list of downloadable microtonal sounds is in good shape. It does need people to watch relevant sources (tuning and MMM lists come to mind) and add/update the links. A reviewing or rating system, perhaps also of CD releases, may additionally be helpful.
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| ===Fill out the scale catalogue===
| | ''See also: [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Conventions|Conventions]], [[Projects#WikiProjects]], [[Help:Migration FAQ]], as well as [[:Category:Todo]] and its subcategories.'' |
| Sources for this: all the Yahoo! lists, the Scala archive, original reflection on new and old scales, pages of X.J. Scott, David Finnamore, Tonalsoft...? Have at least one sound example (midi, mp3, ogg...) for each scale, and keep in mind that this wiki allows you to upload files up to 5 MB each.
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| Ever since learning about the [[MOSScales|MOS scales]] I have desired but not seen a good, thorough introduction to them, or to the two-dimensional method of creating scales.
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| ===An FAQ: everyone posts questions, answers.=== | | == Future of this wiki == |
| This could be sufficiently primed by mining the lists. But more importantly it would need to be linked to by a high-seach-engine-ranking page.
| | Please leave suggestions below. Don't forget to sign them: type <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after your comment to leave a signature. For example: [[User:Battaglia01|Mike Battaglia]] ([[User talk:Battaglia01|talk]]) 12:46, 19 September 2018 (UTC) |
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| ===Pages on debates?=== | | === Improved Yahoo! search engine === |
| Do we want to touch the dangerous stuff? JI vs. ET vs. EDO? MMM vs. just plain MM? The point would not be to have another place to play out the old arguments, but to //make// something useful out of them.
| | Now that you can do an advanced search of the tuning (or other) list over the entirety of its life on Yahoo, there is less need to copy things from the tuning list archive. On the other hand, particularly well-written emails might deserve to get their own page. Authors' permissions necessary? [[User:Xenjacob|zenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]] 21:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC) |
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| On the other hand, we //could// make pages on points that many can agree on, with the aim of working together to come up with ways to meet our collective goals. The obvious one, originally Harry Partch: Microtonality is overlooked or dismissed all too often, and the best way to counter its detractors is in making good music with it.
| | === Database of "microtonal solutions" === |
| | Not only examples of hardware-software setups as Jon Szanto has repeatedly suggested, but also acoustic solutions, experiencial instrument-making info, a list with the location of every known rare microtonal instrument, and perhaps a way for composers to write for such instruments (providing the curators of them want this) |
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| ===More on making things: a radical proposal===
| | An instrument-centric approach: [[MicrotonalInstruments]]. [[User:Xenjacob|zenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]] 21:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC) |
| To me, the wiki as a structure remains an invitation to try new ways to represent information and to cause social interaction to happen. Much of this is overlap with the general Web 2.0 mentality, as well as creeping exhibitionism: why blog or wiki about something you're doing instead of just doing it? What I add to it are **Unreasonable Expectations** (that others are doing similar things and just need a poke or two in the direction of sharing) and **Half-Baked Ideas** (for projects that I personally don't have the time to complete but we can perhaps get a coalition of the wishing-it-would-happen). This idea itself is admittedly half-baked, but (and this is the point) I don't let it stop me.
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| So the radical proposal is this: be irresponsible. Start something you don't intend to finish, just to see how beautiful it is. Pretend you are backed up by a solid movement of joyous people rather than a smattering of bickering and frigid but seemingly well-meaning folks. And it will (maybe) come true.</pre></div>
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| | The list of downloadable microtonal sounds is in good shape. It does need people to watch relevant sources (tuning and MMM lists come to mind) and add/update the links. A reviewing or rating system, perhaps also of CD releases, may additionally be helpful. [[User:Xenjacob|zenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]] 21:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC) |
| <div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>wikifuture</title></head><body><!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:0:&lt;h1&gt; --><h1 id="toc0"><a name="Future of this wiki"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:0 -->Future of this wiki</h1>
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| <!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:2:&lt;h2&gt; --><h2 id="toc1"><a name="Future of this wiki-A To-Do list, all points of discussion"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:2 -->A To-Do list, all points of discussion</h2>
| | Do we want to touch the dangerous stuff? JI vs. ET vs. EDO? MMM vs. just plain MM? The point would not be to have another place to play out the old arguments, but to ''make'' something useful out of them. |
| <!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:4:&lt;h3&gt; --><h3 id="toc2"><a name="Future of this wiki-A To-Do list, all points of discussion-Notation"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:4 -->Notation</h3>
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| A section on notation<br />
| | On the other hand, we ''could'' make pages on points that many can agree on, with the aim of working together to come up with ways to meet our collective goals. The obvious one, originally Harry Partch: Microtonality is overlooked or dismissed all too often, and the best way to counter its detractors is in making good music with it. [[User:Xenjacob|zenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]] 21:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC) |
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| <!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:6:&lt;h3&gt; --><h3 id="toc3"><a name="Future of this wiki-A To-Do list, all points of discussion-Transfer from riters.com"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:6 -->Transfer from riters.com</h3>
| | === More on making things: a radical proposal === |
| There are still a couple of pages at <!-- ws:start:WikiTextUrlRule:48:http://riters.com/microtonal --><a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://riters.com/microtonal" rel="nofollow">http://riters.com/microtonal</a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextUrlRule:48 --> that could be copied over if we want this to be the one true wiki.<br />
| | To me, the wiki as a structure remains an invitation to try new ways to represent information and to cause social interaction to happen. Much of this is overlap with the general Web 2.0 mentality, as well as creeping exhibitionism: why blog or wiki about something you're doing instead of just doing it? What I add to it are '''Unreasonable Expectations''' (that others are doing similar things and just need a poke or two in the direction of sharing) and '''Half-Baked Ideas''' (for projects that I personally don't have the time to complete but we can perhaps get a coalition of the wishing-it-would-happen). This idea itself is admittedly half-baked, but (and this is the point) I don't let it stop me. |
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| | So the radical proposal is this: be irresponsible. Start something you don't intend to finish, just to see how beautiful it is. Pretend you are backed up by a solid movement of joyous people rather than a smattering of bickering and frigid but seemingly well-meaning folks. And it will (maybe) come true. [[User:Xenjacob|xenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]] 15:24, 29 August 2007 (UTC) |
| Now that you can do an advanced search of the tuning (or other) list over the entirety of its life on Yahoo, there is less need to copy things from the tuning list archive. On the other hand, particularly well-written emails might deserve to get their own page. Authors' permissions necessary?<br />
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| | === Javascript strategy === |
| <!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:10:&lt;h3&gt; --><h3 id="toc5"><a name="Future of this wiki-A To-Do list, all points of discussion-Database of &quot;microtonal solutions&quot;"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:10 -->Database of &quot;microtonal solutions&quot;</h3>
| | Javascript is by default disabled on Mediawiki for security reasons. However, it could be a really really powerful tool for making accessible, interactive explanations for a lot of things. Just as an example, imagine that any number followed by ¢ would automagically create an exemplary audio file like the one linked to at the top of [[octave]]...imagine something like that playing when you hover over the text. Or imagine a [[wikipedia:Lissajous curve|Lissajous curve]] appears in the background when you hover over a just ratio. There are some of us capable in Javascript, and some extant widgets written in Javascript, like [https://ia601408.us.archive.org/1/items/mosedo.html/mosedo.html Billy Stiltner's MOSedo] and [http://untwelve.org/online_tools AKJ's tools]. We need at least a collected xenharmonic Javascript library, and maybe that project can't live here, but it would be nice to see it eventually integrated somehow. [[User:Xenjacob|Xenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]]) 15:51, 22 September 2018 (UTC) |
| not only examples of hardware-software setups as Jon Szanto has repeatedly suggested, but also acoustic solutions, experiencial instrument-making info, a list with the location of every known rare microtonal instrument, and perhaps a way for composers to write for such instruments (providing the curators of them want this)<br />
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| An instrument-centric approach: <a class="wiki_link" href="/MicrotonalInstruments">MicrotonalInstruments</a><br />
| | === Create pages for the Edo recommendation hub page === |
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| | Create pages where you recommend a list of [[edo]]s to beginners. |
| <!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:12:&lt;h3&gt; --><h3 id="toc6"><a name="Future of this wiki-A To-Do list, all points of discussion-Improved Listening List"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:12 -->Improved Listening List</h3>
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| The list of downloadable microtonal sounds is in good shape. It does need people to watch relevant sources (tuning and MMM lists come to mind) and add/update the links. A reviewing or rating system, perhaps also of CD releases, may additionally be helpful.<br />
| | Follow the standardised structure shown on the page [[Edo recommendation hub page]] to make it easy for readers to compare with the other lists. |
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| <!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:14:&lt;h3&gt; --><h3 id="toc7"><a name="Future of this wiki-A To-Do list, all points of discussion-Fill out the scale catalogue"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:14 -->Fill out the scale catalogue</h3>
| | When your page is done, link it on [[Edo recommendation hub page]]. |
| Sources for this: all the Yahoo! lists, the Scala archive, original reflection on new and old scales, pages of X.J. Scott, David Finnamore, Tonalsoft...? Have at least one sound example (midi, mp3, ogg...) for each scale, and keep in mind that this wiki allows you to upload files up to 5 MB each.<br />
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| | And/or create flow charts to help beginners choose edos, and link those on [[Edo recommendation hub page]]. |
| Ever since learning about the <a class="wiki_link" href="/MOSScales">MOS scales</a> I have desired but not seen a good, thorough introduction to them, or to the two-dimensional method of creating scales.<br />
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| | [[Budjarn Lambeth]] 05:46, 15 December 2024 (UTC) |
| <!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:16:&lt;h3&gt; --><h3 id="toc8"><a name="Future of this wiki-A To-Do list, all points of discussion-An FAQ: everyone posts questions, answers."></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:16 -->An FAQ: everyone posts questions, answers.</h3>
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| This could be sufficiently primed by mining the lists. But more importantly it would need to be linked to by a high-seach-engine-ranking page.<br />
| | === Create a unified "Chains, circles and spirals" page === |
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| | On the [[Discord]] today, [[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] posted the following proposal, it received a lot of upvotes: |
| Do we want to touch the dangerous stuff? JI vs. ET vs. EDO? MMM vs. just plain MM? The point would not be to have another place to play out the old arguments, but to <em>make</em> something useful out of them.<br />
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| | ::"Chains are basically 1d lattices, probably something worth mentioning in some form. |
| On the other hand, we <em>could</em> make pages on points that many can agree on, with the aim of working together to come up with ways to meet our collective goals. The obvious one, originally Harry Partch: Microtonality is overlooked or dismissed all too often, and the best way to counter its detractors is in making good music with it.<br /> | | |
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| | ::Circles and spirals are just different ways to represent chains. |
| <!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:20:&lt;h3&gt; --><h3 id="toc10"><a name="Future of this wiki-A To-Do list, all points of discussion-More on making things: a radical proposal"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:20 -->More on making things: a radical proposal</h3>
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| To me, the wiki as a structure remains an invitation to try new ways to represent information and to cause social interaction to happen. Much of this is overlap with the general Web 2.0 mentality, as well as creeping exhibitionism: why blog or wiki about something you're doing instead of just doing it? What I add to it are <strong>Unreasonable Expectations</strong> (that others are doing similar things and just need a poke or two in the direction of sharing) and <strong>Half-Baked Ideas</strong> (for projects that I personally don't have the time to complete but we can perhaps get a coalition of the wishing-it-would-happen). This idea itself is admittedly half-baked, but (and this is the point) I don't let it stop me.<br />
| | ::Therefore, it would make sense to have a single page about chains, circles and spirals. |
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| So the radical proposal is this: be irresponsible. Start something you don't intend to finish, just to see how beautiful it is. Pretend you are backed up by a solid movement of joyous people rather than a smattering of bickering and frigid but seemingly well-meaning folks. And it will (maybe) come true.</body></html></pre></div> | | ::The merge doesn't have to be done immediately, of course, but I think that's the best course of action in the long term. |
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| | ::Chains are relevant not only in edos, but also in rank-2 regular temperaments, where the octave dimension is collapsed (as is common in a circle of fifths, for that matter), leaving only one other generator to stack, making a single chain. Several temperament pages have such chains, for that matter." |
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| | [[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 07:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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| | I'd like to contribute to support the site. Where can I do this? I searched (admittedly several weeks ago now) using "contribute", "contribution", "donate", "donation", "subscribe", and "subscription", but did not find anything. If a page for this (or some functional equivalent) exists (does one exist?), it should have a link from the home page. |
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| | [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 21:45, 24 March 2025 (UTC) |
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