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People often say xenharmonic intervals like 16/11 are "sour" and mathematically similar intervals (e.g. octave inverses like
People often say xenharmonic intervals like [[16/11]] are "sour" and mathematically similar intervals (e.g. octave inverses like


1/(16/11) or 11/8) are "sweet". Doesn't that seem a bit counter intuitive?
1/(16/11) or [[11/8]] are "sweet". Doesn't that seem a bit counter intuitive?


We've been told via standard music theory to accept everything, '''even xenharmonic/microtonal intervals, be''' '''pigeon-holed into some sort of diatonic category'''.
We've been told via standard music theory to accept everything, '''even xenharmonic/microtonal intervals, be''' '''pigeon-holed into some sort of [[diatonic]] category'''.


In 12EDO C is the tonic/"first".
In [[12EDO]] C is the [[tonic]]/"first".


C# (apx. 17/16) is a minor second
C# (apx. 17/16) is a minor second
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'''Notice how...even in 12EDO, interval categories seem a bit shaky and inconsistent.'''
'''Notice how...even in 12EDO, interval categories seem a bit shaky and inconsistent.'''


So how, then, to you categorize something like an 11/8 or 16/11 between a fourth and a fifth? Or an interval like 14/9, between a fifth and a sixth? Furthermore, how do explain when, for example, a 16/11 feels "sour" while an 11/8 slightly below it feels upbeat/sweet?
So how, then, to you categorize something like an 11/8 or 16/11 between a fourth and a fifth? Or an interval like [[14/9]], between a fifth and a sixth? Furthermore, how do explain when, for example, a 16/11 feels "sour" while an 11/8 slightly below it feels upbeat/sweet?


Usually we simply add additional names as necessary and further complicate the system. 16/11? That's sour because it's a '''diminished''' fifth. Around 14/9? That's upbeat because it's an '''augmented''' fifth. Why not just stick with major ('''more upbeat''') and minor ('''more downbeat''') and neutral ('''in-between upbeat and downbeat and a bit sour''')...equally distributed among 4ths, 5ths, 6ths...?
Usually we simply add additional names as necessary and further complicate the system. 16/11? That's sour because it's a '''diminished''' fifth. Around 14/9? That's upbeat because it's an '''augmented''' fifth. Why not just stick with major ('''more upbeat''') and minor ('''more downbeat''') and neutral ('''in-between upbeat and downbeat and a bit sour''')...equally distributed among 4ths, 5ths, 6ths...?
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At a quick glance...the point is '''with the latter system, you can hopefully quickly/easily tell which intervals to use to get upbeat (major), downbeat and a tad tense (minor), somewhat tense and mixed-mooded (neutral), or relatively sour (fourth-half) intervals.'''
At a quick glance...the point is '''with the latter system, you can hopefully quickly/easily tell which intervals to use to get upbeat (major), downbeat and a tad tense (minor), somewhat tense and mixed-mooded (neutral), or relatively sour (fourth-half) intervals.'''
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