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== 29- and higher-limit accidentals ==
Could someone please do the 29-limit and higher accidentals? This has been a "TODO" for a while now. [[User:ArrowHead294|<math>\overrightarrow{\,\,\scriptsize\text{ArrowHead294}\,\,\,}</math>]] [[User talk:ArrowHead294|(speak to me)]] 13:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

: Updated thanks to User: FilterNashi. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 13:36, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

== 23-limit vs syntonic comma arrows ==
I don't know if this is anything you can actually do anything about (if it's the actual standard, it's the actual standard), but those 23-limit comma arrows look EXTREMELY SIMILAR to single syntonic comma arrows, with the only discernable difference that the syntonic comma arrows are shown attached to other accidental symbols, whereas the 23-limit comma arrows are shown by themselves.  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 22:49, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

: It seems it's always been like that. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 13:36, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

== Typo in Latest revision as of 2024-11-19T14:22:59? ==
Latest revision says "[[File:Heji41.svg|54x54px]] is ''n'' a half-sharp, as [[File:Heji41.svg|54x54px]][[File:Heji41.svg|54x54px]]F is [[243/242|7.1¢]] flatter than F&#x266F;." (used to have ''not'' instead of ''n'').  Is this a typo/copy-paste error?  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 20:18, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

: FloraC fixed it in revision of 2024-11-21T04:39:55.  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 11:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

== 31-limit schisma and 41-limit comma symbols ==
I don't know if you can do anything about it (if it's the standard, it's the standard), but the symbols for up/down by 31-limit schisma look extremely similar to the symbols for up/down by 41-limit comma.  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 07:30, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

: The 31-limit schismata come from the deprecated pre-2020 version. Since 2020 the quartertone accidentals have been standard. I split off the deprecated symbols to hopefully make this clearer. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 13:36, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

:: Okay, thanks, it makes sense now.  (And then we have to wait for whoever is in charge of the Helmholtz-Ellis standard to realize that the 23-limit symbols could cause confusion).  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 19:00, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

== Dual-value harmonics (Helmholtz-Ellis edition)? ==
What notation should one use for systems with dual values for a harmonic?  For instance, 55edo has a 7th harmonic that is far enough from just to merit interpretation as 7♯ with only mostly more raw error than 7♭, and the 7♯ would actually introduce less error in combination with the sharp (but not split) 5th harmonic, while 7♭ would introduce less error in combination withe flat 3rd and 11th harmonics or by itself.  Similar situations occur with 48edo and 67edo with their split 5th harmonics, and with any dual-fifth system.  (Posting this separately in Talk pages for Helmholtz-Ellis and Sagittal in case they have different answers.)  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 09:36, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

: The short answer is HEJI is generally not meant to be used in tempered systems. To notate a tempered system, you use the "equal-tempered accidentals" it provides, prolly with written cent deviations. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 12:26, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

:: That makes sense.  Good thing I asked separately for Sagittal, since at least according to the article, that is explicitly meant to be used with tempered systems.  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 03:18, 25 August 2025 (UTC)