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'''5 equal divisions of the octave''' (or '''5EDO''') is the [[tuning system]] derived by dividing the [[octave]] into 5 equal steps of 240 [[cent]]s each, or the fifth root of two. 5EDO is the third [[prime EDO]], after [[2edo|2EDO]] and [[3edo|3EDO]]. Most importantly, 5EDO is the smallest [[EDO]] containing xenharmonic intervals — 1EDO, 2EDO, 3EDO, and 4EDO are all subsets of [[12edo|12EDO]].
'''5 equal divisions of the octave''' (or '''5edo''') is the [[tuning system]] derived by dividing the [[octave]] into 5 equal steps of 240 [[cent]]s each, or the fifth root of two. 5edo is the third [[prime edo]], after [[2edo|2edo]] and [[3edo|3edo]]. Most importantly, 5edo is the smallest [[edo]] containing xenharmonic intervals — 1edo, 2edo, 3edo, and 4edo are all subsets of [[12edo|12edo]].


== Theory ==
== Theory ==
{| class="wikitable center-all"
{{primes in equal|5}}
! colspan="2" | <!-- empty cell -->
! prime 2
! prime 3
! prime 5
! prime 7
! prime 11
! prime 13
! prime 17
! prime 19
|-
! rowspan="2" | error
! absolute (¢)
| 0.0
| +18.0
| +93.7
| -8.8
| -71.3
| +119.5
| -105.0
| -57.5
|-
! [[Relative error|relative]] (%)
| 0
| +8
| +39
| -4
| -30
| +50
| -44
| -24
|-
! colspan="2" | [[Patent val|nearest EDO-mapping]]
| 5
| 3
| 2
| 4
| 2
| 4
| 0
| 1
|-
! colspan="2" | [[fifthspan]]
|0
| +1
| -1
| -2
| -1
| -2
| 0
| +2
|}


If 5EDO is regarded as a temperament, which is to say as 5-TET, then the most salient fact is that 16/15 is tempered out. This means in 5-TET the major third and the fourth, and the minor sixth and the fifth, are not distinguished; this is 5-limit [[Trienstonic clan|father temperament]].
If 5edo is regarded as a temperament, which is to say as 5-TET, then the most salient fact is that 16/15 is tempered out. This means in 5-TET the major third and the fourth, and the minor sixth and the fifth, are not distinguished; this is 5-limit [[Trienstonic clan|father temperament]].


Also tempered out is 27/25, if we temper this out in preference to 16/15 we obtain [[Bug family|bug temperament]], which equates 10/9 with 6/5: it is a little more perverse even than father. Because these intervals are so large, this sort of analysis is less significant with 5 than it becomes with larger and more accurate divisions, but it still plays a role. For example, I-IV-V-I is the same as I-III-V-I and involves triads with common intervals because of fourth-thirds equivalence.
Also tempered out is 27/25, if we temper this out in preference to 16/15 we obtain [[Bug family|bug temperament]], which equates 10/9 with 6/5: it is a little more perverse even than father. Because these intervals are so large, this sort of analysis is less significant with 5 than it becomes with larger and more accurate divisions, but it still plays a role. For example, I-IV-V-I is the same as I-III-V-I and involves triads with common intervals because of fourth-thirds equivalence.


Despite its lack of accuracy, 5EDO is the second [[The Riemann Zeta Function and Tuning #Zeta EDO lists|zeta integral EDO]], after 2EDO. It also is the smallest equal division representing the [[9-odd-limit|9-limit]] [[consistent|consistently]], giving a distinct value modulo five to 2, 3, 5, 7 and 9. Hence in a way similar to how [[4edo|4EDO]] can be used, and which is discussed in that article, it can be used to represent [[7-limit]] intervals in terms of their position in a pentad, by giving a triple of integers representing a pentad in the [[The_Seven_Limit_Symmetrical_Lattices|lattice]] of tetrads/pentads together with the number of scale steps in 5EDO. However, while 2EDO represents the [[3-limit]] consistently, 3EDO the [[5-limit]], 4EDO the [[7-limit]] and 5EDO the 9-limit, to represent the [[11-limit]] consistently with a [[patent val]] requires going all the way to [[22edo|22EDO]]. Nevertheless, because the comma tempered out for this EDO's circle of fifths is [[256/243]], and since this interval is smaller than half a step, 5edo is the second EDO to demonstrate 3-to-2 [[telicity]].
Despite its lack of accuracy, 5edo is the second [[The Riemann Zeta Function and Tuning #Zeta edo lists|zeta integral edo]], after 2edo. It also is the smallest equal division representing the [[9-odd-limit|9-limit]] [[consistent|consistently]], giving a distinct value modulo five to 2, 3, 5, 7 and 9. Hence in a way similar to how [[4edo|4edo]] can be used, and which is discussed in that article, it can be used to represent [[7-limit]] intervals in terms of their position in a pentad, by giving a triple of integers representing a pentad in the [[The_Seven_Limit_Symmetrical_Lattices|lattice]] of tetrads/pentads together with the number of scale steps in 5edo. However, while 2edo represents the [[3-limit]] consistently, 3edo the [[5-limit]], 4edo the [[7-limit]] and 5edo the 9-limit, to represent the [[11-limit]] consistently with a [[patent val]] requires going all the way to [[22edo|22edo]]. Nevertheless, because the comma tempered out for this edo's circle of fifths is [[256/243]], and since this interval is smaller than half a step, 5edo is the second edo to demonstrate 3-to-2 [[telicity]].


In addition, considering 5EDO as a no-5s temperament improves its standing significantly. It is especially prominent as a simple 2.3.7 temperament with high relative accuracy (the next EDO doing it better being [[17edo|17]]), and is the optimal patent val for the no-5s [[Trienstonic clan|trienstonic]] (or [[Color notation/Temperament Names|Zo]]) temperament.
In addition, considering 5edo as a no-5s temperament improves its standing significantly. It is especially prominent as a simple 2.3.7 temperament with high relative accuracy (the next edo doing it better being [[17edo|17]]), and is the optimal patent val for the no-5s [[Trienstonic clan|trienstonic]] (or [[Color notation/Temperament Names|Zo]]) temperament.


== Intervals ==
== Intervals ==
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* naturals on a five-line staff, with enharmonics (used interchangably) E=F and B=C
* naturals on a five-line staff, with enharmonics (used interchangably) E=F and B=C
* a four-line hybrid treble/bass staff.
* a four-line hybrid treble/bass staff.
[[Kite Giedraitis]] has proposed a pentatonic notation that retains the appearance of heptatonic names, to avoid the confusion caused by one's lifelong association of "fourth" with 4/3, not 3/2. The interval names are unisoid, subthird, fourthoid, fifthoid, subseventh and octoid, or 1d s3 4d 5d s7 8d. When notating larger EDOs such as 8 or 13, there are major or minor sub3rds and sub7ths. Note that 15/8 is an octoid.
[[Kite Giedraitis]] has proposed a pentatonic notation that retains the appearance of heptatonic names, to avoid the confusion caused by one's lifelong association of "fourth" with 4/3, not 3/2. The interval names are unisoid, subthird, fourthoid, fifthoid, subseventh and octoid, or 1d s3 4d 5d s7 8d. When notating larger edos such as 8 or 13, there are major or minor sub3rds and sub7ths. Note that 15/8 is an octoid.


== Observations ==
== Observations ==


=== Related scales ===
=== Related scales ===
* By its cardinality, 5EDO is related to other [[pentatonic]] scales, and it is especially close in sound to many Indonesian [[slendro]]s.
* By its cardinality, 5edo is related to other [[pentatonic]] scales, and it is especially close in sound to many Indonesian [[slendro]]s.
* Due to the interest around the "fifth" interval size, there are many [[nonoctave]] "stretch sisters" to 5EDO: square root of 4/3, cube root of 3/2, 8th root of 3, etc.
* Due to the interest around the "fifth" interval size, there are many [[nonoctave]] "stretch sisters" to 5edo: square root of 4/3, cube root of 3/2, 8th root of 3, etc.
* For the same reason there are many "circle sisters":
* For the same reason there are many "circle sisters":
** Make a chain of five "bigger fifths" (50/33), which makes three octaves 3.227¢ flat. (50/33)^5 = 7.985099.
** Make a chain of five "bigger fifths" (50/33), which makes three octaves 3.227¢ flat. (50/33)^5 = 7.985099.


=== Cycles, Divisions ===
=== Cycles, Divisions ===
5 is a prime number so 5EDO contains no sub-EDOs. Only simple cycles:
5 is a prime number so 5edo contains no sub-edos. Only simple cycles:


* Cycle of seconds: 0-1-2-3-4-0
* Cycle of seconds: 0-1-2-3-4-0
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=== Harmony ===
=== Harmony ===
5EDO does not have any strong consonance nor dissonance. The 240 cent interval can serve as either a major second or minor third, and the 960 cent interval as either a major sixth or minor seventh. The fourth is about 18 cents flat of a just fourth, making it rather "dirty" but recognizable. The fifth is likewise about 18 cents sharp of a just fifth, dissonant but still easily recognizable.
5edo does not have any strong consonance nor dissonance. The 240 cent interval can serve as either a major second or minor third, and the 960 cent interval as either a major sixth or minor seventh. The fourth is about 18 cents flat of a just fourth, making it rather "dirty" but recognizable. The fifth is likewise about 18 cents sharp of a just fifth, dissonant but still easily recognizable.


In contrast to other EDOs, all of the notes can be used at once in order to get a functioning scale. (As in Blackwood in [[10edo|10EDO]]).
In contrast to other edos, all of the notes can be used at once in order to get a functioning scale. (As in Blackwood in [[10edo|10edo]]).


Important chords:
Important chords:
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=== Melody ===
=== Melody ===
Smallest EDO that can be used for melodies in a "standard" way. The relatively large step of 240 cents can be used as major second for the melody construction. The scale has whole-tone as well as pentatonic character.
Smallest edo that can be used for melodies in a "standard" way. The relatively large step of 240 cents can be used as major second for the melody construction. The scale has whole-tone as well as pentatonic character.


=== Chord or scale? ===
=== Chord or scale? ===
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== Commas ==
== Commas ==
5EDO [[tempers out]] the following [[comma]]s. This assumes the [[val]] {{val| 5 8 12 14 17 19 }}.  
5edo [[tempers out]] the following [[comma]]s. This assumes the [[val]] {{val| 5 8 12 14 17 19 }}.  


{| class="commatable wikitable center-1 center-2 right-4 center-5"
{| class="commatable wikitable center-1 center-2 right-4 center-5"
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== Ear Training ==
== Ear Training ==
5EDO ear-training exercises by Alex Ness available here:
5edo ear-training exercises by Alex Ness available here:
* https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwsXD8q2VCYUT3VEZUVmeVZUcmc&usp=drive_web
* https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwsXD8q2VCYUT3VEZUVmeVZUcmc&usp=drive_web


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* [[Brian McLaren]]: various and sundry
* [[Brian McLaren]]: various and sundry
* [[Paul Rubenstein]]: various, with electric guitars in 10- and 15EDO
* [[Paul Rubenstein]]: various, with electric guitars in 10- and 15edo


There is also much 5edo-like world music, just search for "gyil" or "amadinda" or "slendro".  
There is also much 5edo-like world music, just search for "gyil" or "amadinda" or "slendro".  
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[[Category:Listen]]
[[Category:Listen]]
[[Category:Macrotonal]]
[[Category:Macrotonal]]
[[Category:Prime EDO]]
[[Category:Prime edo]]
[[Category:Zeta]]
[[Category:Zeta]]