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The [[5-limit]] parent comma for the '''würschmidt family''' is [[393216/390625]], known as Würschmidt's comma, and named after José Würschmidt, Its [[monzo]] is |17 1 -8 | The [[5-limit]] parent comma for the '''würschmidt family''' is [[393216/390625]], known as Würschmidt's comma, and named after José Würschmidt, Its [[monzo]] is {{Monzo|17 1 -8}}, and flipping that yields {{Multival|8 1 17}} for the wedgie. This tells us the [[generator]] is a major third, and that to get to the interval class of fifths will require eight of these. In fact, (5/4)^8 * 393216/390625 = 6. 10\31, 11\34 or 21\65 are possible generators and other tunings include 96EDO, 99EDO and 164EDO. Another tuning solution is to sharpen the major third by 1/8th of a Würschmidt comma, which is to say by 1.43 cents, and thereby achieve pure fifths; this is the [[minimax tuning]]. Würschmidt is well-supplied with MOS scales, with 10, 13, 16, 19, 22, 25, 28, 31 and 34 note [[MOS]] all possibilities. | ||
== Würschmidt | == Würschmidt == | ||
('''Würschmidt''' is sometimes spelled '''Wuerschmidt''') | ('''Würschmidt''' is sometimes spelled '''Wuerschmidt''') | ||
[[Comma]]: 393216/390625 | [[Comma]]: 393216/390625 | ||
[[Mapping]]: [ | [[Mapping]]: [{{Val|1 7 3}}, {{Val|0 -8 -1}}] | ||
[[POTE generator]]: ~5/4 = 387.799 | [[POTE generator]]: ~5/4 = 387.799 | ||
{{Val list|legend=1| 31, 34, 65, 99, 164, 721c, 885c }} | |||
[[Badness]]: 0.040603 | [[Badness]]: 0.040603 | ||
; Music | |||
* [http://chrisvaisvil.com/ancient-stardust-wurschmidt13/ Ancient Stardust], [http://micro.soonlabel.com/jake_freivald/tunings_by_jake_freivald/20130811_wurschmidt%5b13%5d.mp3 play] by Chris Vaisvil; Würschmidt[13] in 5-limit minimax tuning | * [http://chrisvaisvil.com/ancient-stardust-wurschmidt13/ Ancient Stardust], [http://micro.soonlabel.com/jake_freivald/tunings_by_jake_freivald/20130811_wurschmidt%5b13%5d.mp3 play] by Chris Vaisvil; Würschmidt[13] in 5-limit minimax tuning | ||
* [http://micro.soonlabel.com/gene_ward_smith/Others/Freivald/Wurschmidt%5b16%5d-out.mp3 Extrospection] by [https://soundcloud.com/jdfreivald/extrospection Jake Freivald]; Würschmidt[16] tuned in | * [http://micro.soonlabel.com/gene_ward_smith/Others/Freivald/Wurschmidt%5b16%5d-out.mp3 Extrospection] by [https://soundcloud.com/jdfreivald/extrospection Jake Freivald]; Würschmidt[16] tuned in 31EDO. | ||
=== Seven limit children | === Seven limit children === | ||
The second comma of the [[Normal_lists|normal comma list]] defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. | The second comma of the [[Normal_lists|normal comma list]] defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Würschmidt adds {{Monzo|12 3 -6 -1}}, worschmidt adds 65625/65536 = {{Monzo|-16 1 5 1}}, whirrschmidt adds 4375/4374 = {{Monzo|-1 -7 4 1}} and hemiwuerschmidt adds 6144/6125 = {{Monzo|11 1 -3 -2}}. | ||
== Septimal Würschmidt | == Septimal Würschmidt == | ||
Würschmidt, aside from the commas listed above, also tempers out 225/224. [[31edo]] or [[127edo]] can be used as tunings. Würschmidt has | Würschmidt, aside from the commas listed above, also tempers out 225/224. [[31edo|31EDO]] or [[127edo|127EDO]] can be used as tunings. Würschmidt has {{Multival|8 1 18 -17 6 39}} for a wedgie. It extends naturally to an 11-limit version {{Multival|8 1 18 20 ...}} which also tempers out 99/98, 176/175 and 243/242. 127EDO is again an excellent tuning for 11-limit würschmidt, as well as for minerva, the 11-limit rank three temperament tempering out 99/98 and 176/175. | ||
[[Comma list]]: [[225/224]], 8748/8575 | [[Comma list]]: [[225/224]], 8748/8575 | ||
[[Mapping]]: [ | [[Mapping]]: [{{val|1 7 3 15}}, {{Val|0 -8 -1 -18}}] | ||
[[POTE generator]]: ~5/4 = 387.383 | [[POTE generator]]: ~5/4 = 387.383 | ||
{{Val list|legend=1| 31, 96, 127, 285bd, 412bbdd }} | |||
[[Badness]]: 0.050776 | [[Badness]]: 0.050776 | ||
=== 11-limit | === 11-limit === | ||
Comma list: 99/98, 176/175, 243/242 | Comma list: 99/98, 176/175, 243/242 | ||
Mapping: [ | Mapping: [{{val|1 7 3 15 17}}, {{val|0 -8 -1 -18 -20}}] | ||
POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.447 | POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.447 | ||
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Badness: 0.024413 | Badness: 0.024413 | ||
=== 13-limit | === 13-limit === | ||
Comma list: 99/98, 144/143, 176/175, 275/273 | Comma list: 99/98, 144/143, 176/175, 275/273 | ||
Mapping: [ | Mapping: [{{val|1 7 3 15 17 1}}, {{val|0 -8 -1 -18 -20 4}}] | ||
POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.626 | POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.626 | ||
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Badness: 0.023593 | Badness: 0.023593 | ||
=== Worseschmidt | === Worseschmidt === | ||
Commas: 66/65, 99/98, 105/104, 243/242 | Commas: 66/65, 99/98, 105/104, 243/242 | ||
Mapping: [{{val|1 7 3 15 17 22}}, {{val|0 -8 -1 -18 -20 -27}}] | |||
POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.099 | POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.099 | ||
Vals: {{ | Vals: {{Val list| 3def, 28def, 31 }} | ||
Badness: 0.034382 | Badness: 0.034382 | ||
== Worschmidt | == Worschmidt == | ||
Worschmidt tempers out 126/125 rather than 225/224, and can use [[31edo]], [[34edo]], or [[127edo]] as a tuning. If 127 is used, note that the val is | Worschmidt tempers out 126/125 rather than 225/224, and can use [[31edo|31EDO]], [[34edo|34EDO]], or [[127edo|127EDO]] as a tuning. If 127 is used, note that the val is {{Val|127 201 295 356}} (127d) and not {{Val|127 201 295 357}} as with würschmidt. The wedgie now is {{Multival|8 1 -13 -17 -43 -33}}. In practice, of course, both mappings could be used ambiguously, which might be an interesting avenue for someone to explore. | ||
[[Comma list]]: 126/125, 33075/32768 | [[Comma list]]: 126/125, 33075/32768 | ||
[[Mapping]]: [ | [[Mapping]]: [{{val|1 7 3 -6}}, {{val|0 -8 -1 13}}] | ||
[[POTE generator]]: ~5/4 = 387.392 | [[POTE generator]]: ~5/4 = 387.392 | ||
{{Val list|legend=1| 31, 65, 96d, 127d }} | |||
[[Badness]]: 0.064614 | [[Badness]]: 0.064614 | ||
=== 11-limit | === 11-limit === | ||
Comma list: 126/125, 243/242, 385/384 | Comma list: 126/125, 243/242, 385/384 | ||
Mapping: [ | Mapping: [{{val|1 7 3 -6 17}}, {{val|0 -8 -1 13 -20}}] | ||
POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.407 | POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.407 | ||
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Badness: 0.033436 | Badness: 0.033436 | ||
== Whirrschmidt | == Whirrschmidt == | ||
[[99edo]] is such a good tuning for whirrschimdt that we hardly need look any farther. Unfortunately, the temperament while accurate is complex, with | [[99edo|99EDO]] is such a good tuning for whirrschimdt that we hardly need look any farther. Unfortunately, the temperament while accurate is complex, with {{Multival|8 1 52 -17 60 118}} for a wedgie. | ||
[[Comma list]]: 4375/4374, 393216/390625 | [[Comma list]]: 4375/4374, 393216/390625 | ||
[[Mapping]]: [ | [[Mapping]]: [{{val|1 7 3 38}}, {{val|0 -8 -1 -52}}] | ||
[[POTE generator]]: ~5/4 = 387.881 | [[POTE generator]]: ~5/4 = 387.881 | ||
{{Val list|legend=1| 31dd, 34d, 65, 99 }} | |||
[[Badness]]: 0.086334 | [[Badness]]: 0.086334 | ||
== Hemiwürschmidt | == Hemiwürschmidt == | ||
'''Hemiwürschmidt''' (sometimes spelled '''Hemiwuerschmidt'''), which splits the major third in two and uses that for a generator, is the most important of these temperaments even with the rather large complexity for the fifth. It tempers out [[3136/3125]], 6144/6125 and 2401/2400. [[68edo]], [[99edo]] and [[130edo]] can all be used as tunings, but 130 is not only the most accurate, it shows how hemiwürschmidt extends to a higher limit temperament, | '''Hemiwürschmidt''' (sometimes spelled '''Hemiwuerschmidt'''), which splits the major third in two and uses that for a generator, is the most important of these temperaments even with the rather large complexity for the fifth. It tempers out [[3136/3125]], 6144/6125 and 2401/2400. [[68edo|68EDO]], [[99edo|99EDO]] and [[130edo|130EDO]] can all be used as tunings, but 130 is not only the most accurate, it shows how hemiwürschmidt extends to a higher limit temperament, {{Multival|16 2 5 40 -39 -49 -48 28...}} | ||
[[Comma list]]: 2401/2400, 3136/3125 | [[Comma list]]: 2401/2400, 3136/3125 | ||
[[Mapping]]: [ | [[Mapping]]: [{{val|1 15 4 7}}, {{val|0 -16 -2 -5}}] | ||
{{Multival|legend=1|16 2 5 -34 -37 6}} | |||
[[POTE generator]]: ~28/25 = 193.898 | [[POTE generator]]: ~28/25 = 193.898 | ||
{{Val list|legend=1| 31, 68, 99, 229, 328, 557c, 885cc }} | |||
[[Badness]]: 0. | [[Badness]]: 0.020307 | ||
=== 11-limit | === 11-limit === | ||
Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 3136/3125 | Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 3136/3125 | ||
Mapping: [ | Mapping: [{{val|1 15 4 7 37}}, {{val|0 -16 -2 -5 -40}}] | ||
POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.840 | POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.840 | ||
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Badness: 0.021069 | Badness: 0.021069 | ||
==== 13-limit | ==== 13-limit ==== | ||
Comma list: 243/242, 351/350, 441/440, 3584/3575 | Comma list: 243/242, 351/350, 441/440, 3584/3575 | ||
Mapping: [ | Mapping: [{{val|1 15 4 7 37 -29}}, {{val|0 -16 -2 -5 -40 39}}] | ||
POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.829 | POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.829 | ||
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Badness: 0.023074 | Badness: 0.023074 | ||
==== Hemithir | ==== Hemithir ==== | ||
Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 196/195, 275/273 | Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 196/195, 275/273 | ||
Mapping: [ | Mapping: [{{val|1 15 4 7 37 -3}}, {{val|0 -16 -2 -5 -40 8}}] | ||
POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.918 | POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.918 | ||
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Badness: 0.031199 | Badness: 0.031199 | ||
=== Hemiwur | === Hemiwur === | ||
Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 1375/1372 | Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 1375/1372 | ||
Mapping: [ | Mapping: [{{val|1 15 4 7 11}}, {{val|0 -16 -2 -5 -9}}] | ||
POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.884 | POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.884 | ||
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Badness: 0.029270 | Badness: 0.029270 | ||
==== 13-limit | ==== 13-limit ==== | ||
Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 196/195, 275/273 | Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 196/195, 275/273 | ||
Mapping: [ | Mapping: [{{val|1 15 4 7 11 -3}}, {{val|0 -16 -2 -5 -9 8}}] | ||
POTE generator: ~28/25 = 194.004 | POTE generator: ~28/25 = 194.004 | ||
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Badness: 0.028432 | Badness: 0.028432 | ||
==== Hemiwar | ==== Hemiwar ==== | ||
Comma list: 66/65, 105/104, 121/120, 1375/1372 | Comma list: 66/65, 105/104, 121/120, 1375/1372 | ||
Mapping: [ | Mapping: [{{val|1 15 4 7 11 23}}, {{val|0 -16 -2 -5 -9 -23}}] | ||
POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.698 | POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.698 | ||
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Badness: 0.044886 | Badness: 0.044886 | ||
== Relationships to other temperaments | == Relationships to other temperaments == | ||
<span style="display: block; height: 1px; left: -40px; overflow: hidden; position: absolute; top: -25px; width: 1px;">around 775.489 which is approximately</span> | <span style="display: block; height: 1px; left: -40px; overflow: hidden; position: absolute; top: -25px; width: 1px;">around 775.489 which is approximately</span> | ||