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Note that to construct a harmonic timbre from a “bare octave-allowing timbre” 1 : 2 : 4 : 8 : ..., one can just take sums of various subsets of {1, 2, 4, 8, ...} and take all of them as the new timbre. One then recovers all the natural numbers: 3 = 2 + 1, 5 = 4 + 1, 6 = 4 + 2, 7 = 4 + 2 + 1 and so on (of course you know your binary). We can apply the same sums-of-subsets construction here, but with a caveat: as φ<sup>''n''</sup> = φ<sup>''n'' − 1</sup> + φ<sup>''n'' − 2</sup>, we probably should disallow subsets like {φ², φ³, φ⁴}: in this one, φ⁴ effectively contained twice, and its sum is “incorrect”. (That’s easy to do: just disallow subsets which contain {φ<sup>''n''</sup>, φ<sup>''n'' + 1</sup>} for some ''n''.) Proceeding this way from powers of φ, we get intervals
Note that to construct a harmonic timbre from a “bare octave-allowing timbre” 1 : 2 : 4 : 8 : ..., one can just take sums of various subsets of {1, 2, 4, 8, ...} and take all of them as the new timbre. One then recovers all the natural numbers: 3 = 2 + 1, 5 = 4 + 1, 6 = 4 + 2, 7 = 4 + 2 + 1 and so on (of course you know your binary). We can apply the same sums-of-subsets construction here, but with a caveat: as φ<sup>''n''</sup> = φ<sup>''n'' − 1</sup> + φ<sup>''n'' − 2</sup>, we probably should disallow subsets like {φ², φ³, φ⁴}: in this one, φ⁴ effectively contained twice, and its sum is “incorrect”. (That’s easy to do: just disallow subsets which contain {φ<sup>''n''</sup>, φ<sup>''n'' + 1</sup>} for some ''n''.) Proceeding this way from powers of φ, we get intervals


: '''1''', '''φ''', φ + 1 ≡ '''φ²''', φ + 2, 2φ + 1 ≡ '''φ³''', 2φ + 2, 3φ + 1, 3φ + 2 ≡ '''φ⁴''', 3φ + 3, 4φ + 2, 4φ + 3, 4φ + 4, 5φ + 3 ≡ '''φ⁵''', 5φ + 4, 6φ + 3, 6φ + 4, 6φ + 5, 7φ + 4, 7φ + 5, 8φ + 4, 8φ + 5 ≡ '''φ⁶''', ...
: '''1''', '''φ''', φ + 1 ≡ '''φ²''', φ + 2, 2φ + 1 ≡ '''φ³''', 2φ + 2, 3φ + 1, 3φ + 2 ≡ '''φ⁴''', 3φ + 3, 4φ + 2, 4φ + 3, 4φ + 4, 5φ + 3 ≡ '''φ⁵''', 5φ + 4, 6φ + 3, 6φ + 4, 6φ + 5, 7φ + 4, 7φ + 5, 8φ + 4, 8φ + 5 ≡ '''φ⁶''', ...  (G1)


We can note that neighboring intervals in this list differ either by 1 or φ − 1 ≈ 0.68, so they are spaced quite nicely to not be immediately a dissonant mess. ''(As in harmonic timbres they are all spaced by 1 and that sounds nice, given the greater harmonics are very quiet in regard to the small ones. And 0.68 is pretty close to 1.)''
We can note that neighboring intervals in this list differ either by 1 or φ − 1 ≈ 0.68, so they are spaced quite nicely to not be immediately a dissonant mess. ''(As in harmonic timbres they are all spaced by 1 and that sounds nice, given the greater harmonics are very quiet in regard to the small ones. And 0.68 is pretty close to 1 and is rarer encountered.)''


Now multiply an interval ''r'' from this list by φ. As it’s a sum of powers of φ with no exponents differing by just 1, so is ''r'' φ. We can place other rules on powers in these sums, given these rules behave well under multiplication by φ.
Now multiply an interval ''r'' from this list by φ. As it’s a sum of powers of φ with no exponents differing by just 1, so is ''r'' φ. We can place other rules on powers in these sums, given these rules behave well under multiplication by φ.


We can slightly depart from a sums-of-subsets approach, filtering all possible ''m'' φ + ''n'' intervals in another way: as earlier, include each power of φ, and also as earlier make differences between adjacent intervals 1 or φ − 1, but no other constraints. Though I feel the intervals picked, considered as points (''m'', ''n'') in the plane, should be close to the polygonal chain with vertices φ<sup>''k''</sup>. This is such a representation of the interval list constructed above:
We can slightly depart from a sums-of-subsets approach, filtering all possible ''m'' φ + ''n'' intervals in another way: as earlier, include each power of φ, and also as earlier make differences between adjacent intervals 1 or φ − 1, but no other constraints. Though I feel the intervals picked, considered as points (''m'', ''n'') in the plane, should be close to the polygonal chain with vertices φ<sup>''k''</sup>.
 
The following ASCII art illustrates such a planar representation for the interval list ''(G1)'' constructed above. It’s easily seen we can change an angle here and there, e. g. add 2φ + 3 while leaving out 3φ + 1.


<pre>  | 0 1 2 3 4 5  n
<pre>  | 0 1 2 3 4 5  n