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'''13/11'''
{{Infobox Interval
|0 0 0 0 -1 1>
| Icon =
| Ratio = 13/11
| Monzo = 0 0 0 0 -1 1
| Cents = 289.20972
| Name = tridecimal minor third, <br> Neo-Gothic minor third
| Color name =
| Sound = jid_13_11_pluck_adu_dr220.mp3
}}'''13/11'''


289.20972 cents
In [[13-limit]] [[just intonation]], '''13/11''' is '''the tridecimal minor third''' (or '''[[Neo-Gothic]] minor third'''), measuring about 289.2¢. It is the difference between the 11th and 13th [[harmonic]]s. The (octave-reduced) 11th harmonic ([[11/8]], about 551.3¢) and 13th harmonic ([[13/8|13/8]], about 840.5¢) are both quite xenharmonic and demand new interval categories, while 13/11 can be likened unto some kind of relatively complex minor third. It can even function as such in a 13-limit Neo-Gothic minor triad of 22:26:33, with a [[3/2]] perfect fifth between 33 and 22. Compare this to 22:26:32 (11:13:16), which has the much more dissonant [[16/11]] as the outside interval in place of 3/2. The latter triad sounds more like a xenharmonic version of a diminished triad, and could not be confused with simpler diminished triads such as 5:6:7.


[[File:jid_13_11_pluck_adu_dr220.mp3]] [[:File:jid_13_11_pluck_adu_dr220.mp3|sound sample]]
13/11 is the classic [[mediant|mediant]] between the simpler and more familiar ratios [[6/5]] and [[7/6]], as it can be given as (6+7)/(5+6). This puts in between the latter ratios, slightly closer to 7/6. More complex minor thirds can be generated by taking the mediant between 13/11 and 7/6 (which yields (13+7)/(11+6) = [[20/17|20/17]], the septendecimal subminor third, about 281.4¢) and between 13/11 and 6/5 (which yields (13+6)/(11+5) = [[19/16]], the overtone minor third of [[19-limit]] JI, about 297.5¢). (See the diagram below.)


In [[13-limit|13-limit]] [[Just_intonation|Just Intonation]], 13/11 is the tridecimal minor third (or [[Neo-Gothic|Neo-Gothic]] minor third), measuring about 289.2¢. It is the difference between the 11th and 13th harmonics. The (octave-reduced) 11th harmonic ([[11/8|11/8]], about 551.3¢) and 13th harmonic ([[13/8|13/8]], about 840.5¢) are both quite xenharmonic and demand new interval categories, while 13/11 can be likened unto some kind of relatively complex minor third. It can even function as such in a 13-limit Neo-Gothic minor triad of 22:26:33, with a [[3/2|3/2]] perfect fifth between 33 and 22. Compare this to 22:26:32 (11:13:16), which has the much more dissonant [[16/11|16/11]] as the outside interval in place of 3/2. The latter triad sounds more like a xenharmonic version of a diminished triad, and could not be confused with simpler diminished triads such as 5:6:7.
{| class="wikitable center-all"
 
|-
13/11 is the classic [[mediant|mediant]] between the simpler and more familiar ratios [[6/5|6/5]] and [[7/6|7/6]], as it can be given as (6+7)/(5+6). This puts in between the latter ratios, slightly closer to 7/6. More complex minor thirds can be generated by taking the mediant between 13/11 and 7/6 (which yields (13+7)/(11+6) = [[20/17|20/17]], the septendecimal subminor third, about 281.4¢) and between 13/11 and 6/5 (which yields (13+6)/(11+5) = [[19/16|19/16]], the overtone minor third of [[19-limit|19-limit]] JI, about 297.5¢). (See the diagram below.)
! subminor and minor third
 
| 7/6 <br> 266.9¢
{| class="wikitable"
| colspan="7" |
| 6/5 <br> 315.6¢
|-
! interval in between
|
| colspan="3" | &lt;&lt;
| [[36/35|36:35]] <br> 48.7¢
| colspan="3" | &gt;&gt;
|
|-
|-
! | subminor and minor third
!
| style="text-align:center;" | 7/6
| colspan="9" |  
 
266.9¢
| style="text-align:center;" |  
| style="text-align:center;" |
| style="text-align:center;" |
| style="text-align:center;" |
| style="text-align:center;" |
| style="text-align:center;" |
| style="text-align:center;" |
| style="text-align:center;" | 6/5
 
315.6¢
|-
|-
! | interval in between
! add mediant (13/11)
| style="text-align:center;" |
| 7/6 <br> 266.9¢
| style="text-align:center;" | &lt;&lt;
| colspan="3" |
| style="text-align:center;" |
| 13/11 <br> 289.2¢
| style="text-align:center;" |  
| colspan="3" |
| style="text-align:center;" | [[36/35|36:35]]
| 6/5 <br> 315.6¢
 
48.7¢
| style="text-align:center;" |
| style="text-align:center;" |
| style="text-align:center;" | &gt;&gt;
| |
|-
|-
! | add mediant (13/11)
! intervals in between
| style="text-align:center;" | 7/6
|  
 
| &lt;&lt;
266.9¢
| [[78/77|78:77]] <br> 22.3¢
| style="text-align:center;" |  
| &gt;&gt;
| style="text-align:center;" |
|  
| style="text-align:center;" |
| &lt;&lt;
| style="text-align:center;" | 13/11
| [[66/65|66:65]] <br> 26.4¢
 
| &gt;&gt;
289.2¢
|
| style="text-align:center;" |
| style="text-align:center;" |
| style="text-align:center;" |
| style="text-align:center;" | 6/5
 
315.6¢
|-
|-
! | intervals in between
!
| style="text-align:center;" |
| colspan="9" |  
| style="text-align:center;" | &lt;&lt;
| style="text-align:center;" | [[78/77|78:77]]
 
22.3¢
| style="text-align:center;" | &gt;&gt;
| |
| style="text-align:center;" | &lt;&lt;
| style="text-align:center;" | [[66/65|66:65]]
 
26.4¢
| style="text-align:center;" | &gt;&gt;
| |  
|-
|-
! | add mediants (20/17 and 19/16)
! add mediants (20/17 and 19/16)
| style="text-align:center;" | 7/6
| 7/6 <br> 266.9¢
 
|  
266.9¢
| [[20/17]] <br> 281.4¢
| style="text-align:center;" |  
|  
| style="text-align:center;" | 20/17
| '''13/11''' <br> '''289.2¢'''
 
|  
281.4¢
| [[19/16]] <br> 297.5¢
| style="text-align:center;" |  
|  
| style="text-align:center;" | '''13/11'''
| 6/5 <br> 315.6¢
 
'''289.2¢'''
| style="text-align:center;" |  
| style="text-align:center;" | 19/16
 
297.5¢
| style="text-align:center;" |  
| style="text-align:center;" | 6/5
 
315.6¢
|-
|-
! | intervals in between
! intervals in between
| style="text-align:center;" |  
|  
| style="text-align:center;" | &lt;&lt; [[120/119|120:119]] &gt;&gt;
| &lt;&lt; [[120/119|120:119]] &gt;&gt; <br> 14.5¢
|
| &lt;&lt; [[221/220|221:220]] &gt;&gt; <br> 7.9¢
|  
| &lt;&lt; [[209/208|209:208]] &gt;&gt; <br> 8.3¢
|
| &lt;&lt; [[96/95|96:95]] &gt;&gt; <br> 18.1¢
|
|}


14.5¢
13/11 is also [[352/351]] (about 4.9¢) narrower than [[32/27]], the minor third in Pythagorean ([[3-limit]]) tuning.
| style="text-align:center;" |
| style="text-align:center;" | &lt;&lt; [[221/220|221:220]] &gt;&gt;


7.9¢
== See also ==
| style="text-align:center;" |
| style="text-align:center;" | &lt;&lt; [[209/208|209:208]] &gt;&gt;


8.3¢
* [[Gallery of just intervals]]
| style="text-align:center;" |
* [[gentle chords]]
| style="text-align:center;" | &lt;&lt; [[96/95|96:95]] &gt;&gt;
* [[List of root-3rd-P5 triads in JI]]
 
18.1¢
| style="text-align:center;" |
|}


13/11 is also [[352/351|352/351]] (about 4.9¢) narrower than [[32/27|32/27]], the minor third in Pythagorean ([[3-limit|3-limit]]) tuning.
== External links ==


See: [[Gallery_of_Just_Intervals|Gallery of Just Intonation Intervals]], [[gentle_chords|gentle chords]], [[List_of_root-3rd-P5_triads_in_JI|List of root-3rd-P5 triads in JI]]
* [http://dkeenan.com/Music/NobleMediant.txt The Noble Mediant] (earliest description of 13:11 as the "Neo-Gothic" minor third)


[http://dkeenan.com/Music/NobleMediant.txt The Noble Mediant] (earliest description of 13:11 as the "Neo-Gothic" minor third)
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Revision as of 18:21, 14 June 2020

Interval information
Ratio 13/11
Subgroup monzo 11.13 [-1 1⟩
Size in cents 289.2097¢
Names tridecimal minor third,
Neo-Gothic minor third
FJS name [math]\displaystyle{ \text{m3}^{13}_{11} }[/math]
Special properties reduced
Tenney norm (log2 nd) 7.15987
Weil norm (log2 max(n, d)) 7.40088
Wilson norm (sopfr(nd)) 24

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13/11

In 13-limit just intonation, 13/11 is the tridecimal minor third (or Neo-Gothic minor third), measuring about 289.2¢. It is the difference between the 11th and 13th harmonics. The (octave-reduced) 11th harmonic (11/8, about 551.3¢) and 13th harmonic (13/8, about 840.5¢) are both quite xenharmonic and demand new interval categories, while 13/11 can be likened unto some kind of relatively complex minor third. It can even function as such in a 13-limit Neo-Gothic minor triad of 22:26:33, with a 3/2 perfect fifth between 33 and 22. Compare this to 22:26:32 (11:13:16), which has the much more dissonant 16/11 as the outside interval in place of 3/2. The latter triad sounds more like a xenharmonic version of a diminished triad, and could not be confused with simpler diminished triads such as 5:6:7.

13/11 is the classic mediant between the simpler and more familiar ratios 6/5 and 7/6, as it can be given as (6+7)/(5+6). This puts in between the latter ratios, slightly closer to 7/6. More complex minor thirds can be generated by taking the mediant between 13/11 and 7/6 (which yields (13+7)/(11+6) = 20/17, the septendecimal subminor third, about 281.4¢) and between 13/11 and 6/5 (which yields (13+6)/(11+5) = 19/16, the overtone minor third of 19-limit JI, about 297.5¢). (See the diagram below.)

subminor and minor third 7/6
266.9¢ 		6/5
315.6¢
interval in between << 36:35
48.7¢ 		>>
add mediant (13/11) 7/6
266.9¢ 		13/11
289.2¢ 		6/5
315.6¢
intervals in between << 78:77
22.3¢ 		>> << 66:65
26.4¢ 		>>
add mediants (20/17 and 19/16) 7/6
266.9¢ 		20/17
281.4¢ 		13/11
289.2¢ 		19/16
297.5¢ 		6/5
315.6¢
intervals in between << 120:119 >>
14.5¢ 		<< 221:220 >>
7.9¢ 		<< 209:208 >>
8.3¢ 		<< 96:95 >>
18.1¢

13/11 is also 352/351 (about 4.9¢) narrower than 32/27, the minor third in Pythagorean (3-limit) tuning.

See also

External links

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