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! [http://dkeenan.com/Music/EdoIntervalNames.pdf Keenan Category]
! [http://dkeenan.com/Music/EdoIntervalNames.pdf Keenan Category]
! [http://www.bestii.com/~mschulter/IntervalSpectrumRegions.txt Margo's Method]
! [http://www.bestii.com/~mschulter/IntervalSpectrumRegions.txt Margo's Method]
! [[User:PiotrGrochowski/Extra-Diatonic Intervals|Piotr Grochowski]]
! [http://forum.sagittal.org/viewforum.php?f=9 SagiSpeak]
! [http://forum.sagittal.org/viewforum.php?f=9 SagiSpeak]
! [[Ups and Downs Notation|Ups and downs]]
! [[Ups and Downs Notation|Ups and downs]]
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| P1
| P1
| Unison
| Unison
| unison
| P1
| P1
| P1, m2
| P1, m2
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| m2
| m2
| Minor 2nd
| Minor 2nd
| augmented unison
| pai-P1
| pai-P1
| ^1, ^m2
| ^1, ^m2
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| M2
| M2
| Large Neutral 2nd
| Large Neutral 2nd
| high neutral second
| pao-M2
| pao-M2
| vM2
| vM2
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| A2/d3
| A2/d3
| Large Major 2nd
| Large Major 2nd
| second–third
| M2
| M2
| M2, m3
| M2, m3
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| m3
| m3
| Large Minor 3rd
| Large Minor 3rd
| minor third
| pai-m3
| pai-m3
| ^m3
| ^m3
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| M3
| M3
| Major 3rd
| Major 3rd
| major third
| pao-M3
| pao-M3
| vM3
| vM3
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| P4
| P4
| Small Perfect 4th
| Small Perfect 4th
| low fourth
| P4
| P4
| M3, P4, d5
| M3, P4, d5
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| A4
| A4
| Small Tritone
| Small Tritone
| low augmented fourth
| pai-P4
| pai-P4
| ^4, ^d5
| ^4, ^d5
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| d5
| d5
| Large Tritone
| Large Tritone
| high diminished fifth
| pao-P5
| pao-P5
| vA4, v5
| vA4, v5
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| P5
| P5
| Large Perfect 5th
| Large Perfect 5th
| high fifth
| P5
| P5
| A4, P5, m6
| A4, P5, m6
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| m6
| m6
| Minor 6th
| Minor 6th
| minor sixth
| pai-m6
| pai-m6
| ^5, ^m6
| ^5, ^m6
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| M6
| M6
| Small Major 6th
| Small Major 6th
| major sixth
| pao-M6
| pao-M6
| vA5, vM6
| vA5, vM6
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| A6/d7
| A6/d7
| Small Minor 7th
| Small Minor 7th
| sixth–seventh
| m7
| m7
| M6, m7
| M6, m7
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| m7
| m7
| Small Neutral 7th
| Small Neutral 7th
| low neutral seventh
| pai-m7
| pai-m7
| ^m7
| ^m7
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| M7
| M7
| Major 7th
| Major 7th
| diminished octave
| pao-P8
| pao-P8
| vM7, v8
| vM7, v8
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| P8
| P8
| Octave
| Octave
| octave
| P8
| P8
| M7, P8
| M7, P8
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Sagi-Speak, Ups and Downs, and Colours are all great, but are completely new ideas that can be linked to on the pages. Sagi-Speak and Ups are directly linked to the two main options for notation.   
Sagi-Speak, Ups and Downs, and Colours are all great, but are completely new ideas that can be linked to on the pages. Sagi-Speak and Ups are directly linked to the two main options for notation.   


I like Igs' and Dave's systems the best I think. They are very different. Both are 'size' based rather than 'function', but the point of reference for Igs' is 12edo, which would be more familiar to new readers. Dave's uses JI / 72edo alterations two short chains of the edos best fifth - giving the perfect and neutral intervals, so is malleable in it's application to edos, and more able to reflect the 'function' of the intervals in an edo. I've added a few functional labels to it. Might be best to have those in brackets. At this stage I would like to see both on every edo page. Igs' has a point that his extra-diatonic names need not or perhaps should not be associated with ratios. Dave's on the other hand benifit from such an association. Perhaps an edo page could start with Igs' in the intervals section without ratios as he first edits, and in the temperament section Dave's names can be included.
<who said this?> I like Igs' and Dave's systems the best I think. They are very different. Both are 'size' based rather than 'function', but the point of reference for Igs' is 12edo, which would be more familiar to new readers. Dave's uses JI / 72edo alterations two short chains of the edos best fifth - giving the perfect and neutral intervals, so is malleable in it's application to edos, and more able to reflect the 'function' of the intervals in an edo. I've added a few functional labels to it. Might be best to have those in brackets. At this stage I would like to see both on every edo page. Igs' has a point that his extra-diatonic names need not or perhaps should not be associated with ratios. Dave's on the other hand benifit from such an association. Perhaps an edo page could start with Igs' in the intervals section without ratios as he first edits, and in the temperament section Dave's names can be included.


I've done this for [[72edo-interval names|72edo]] as well.<sup> [author: Gareth.hearne ([[User_talk:Gareth.hearne|talk]])]</sup>
I've done this for [[72edo-interval names|72edo]] as well.<sup> [author: Gareth.hearne ([[User_talk:Gareth.hearne|talk]])]</sup>
== See also ==
* [[User:PiotrGrochowski/Extra-Diatonic Intervals]], an incomplete notation that will have its own column in this page when it becomes complete

Revision as of 14:49, 4 October 2018

Degree Cents Aaron's Answer Igs' Input Kite's Correction Keenan Category Margo's Method Piotr Grochowski SagiSpeak Ups and downs Gareth's Go Extra-diatonic 2 Represented Ratios
0 0 P1 Unison Unison P1 Unison unison P1 P1, m2 P1 P1 1/1
1 80 m2 Subminor 2nd Subminor 2nd m2 Minor 2nd augmented unison pai-P1 ^1, ^m2 m2 S1 25/24, 21/20, 16/15
2 160 NM2 (Narrow M2) Neutral 2nd Neutral 2nd M2 Large Neutral 2nd high neutral second pao-M2 vM2 M2 sM2 11/10, 12/11, 10/9
3 240 LM2 Supermajor 2nd Supermajor 2nd A2/d3 Large Major 2nd second–third M2 M2, m3 Serd* M2, m3 (Serd) 8/7, 7/6, 9/8
4 320 Lm3 Minor 3rd Minor 3rd m3 Large Minor 3rd minor third pai-m3 ^m3 m3 Sm3 6/5, 11/9
5 400 M3 Major 3rd Major 3rd M3 Major 3rd major third pao-M3 vM3 M3 sM3 5/4, 14/11
6 480 S4 (Small 4) Sub 4th Sub 4th P4 Small Perfect 4th low fourth P4 M3, P4, d5 P4 M3, P4 (Thourth) 4/3, 9/7, 21/16
7 560 Na4/Sd5 Narrow Tritone Super 4th A4 Small Tritone low augmented fourth pai-P4 ^4, ^d5 A4 S4 11/8, 7/5
8 640 La4/Wd5 Wide Tritone Sub 5th d5 Large Tritone high diminished fifth pao-P5 vA4, v5 d5 s5 16/11, 10/7
9 720 L5 Super 5th Super 5th P5 Large Perfect 5th high fifth P5 A4, P5, m6 P5 P5, m6 (Fixth) 3/2, 14/9, 32/21
10 800 m6 Minor 6th Minor 6th m6 Minor 6th minor sixth pai-m6 ^5, ^m6 m6 Sm6 8/5, 11/7
11 880 SM6 Major 6th Major 6th M6 Small Major 6th major sixth pao-M6 vA5, vM6 M6 sM6 5/3, 18/11
12 960 SM7 Subminor 7th Subminor 7th A6/d7 Small Minor 7th sixth–seventh m7 M6, m7 Sinth* M6, m7 (Sinth) 7/4, 12/7, 16/9
13 1040 Wm7 Neutral 7th Neutral 7th m7 Small Neutral 7th low neutral seventh pai-m7 ^m7 m7 Sm7 20/11, 11/6, 9/5
14 1120 M7 Supermajor 7th Supermajor 7th M7 Major 7th diminished octave pao-P8 vM7, v8 M7 sM7 48/25, 40/21, 15/8
15 1200 P8 Octave Octave P8 Octave octave P8 M7, P8 P8 P8 2/1

*'Serd' and 'Sinth' are Portmanteaux of Second and Third; and Sixth and Seventh respectively. These intervals represent exact half Perfect 4ths and Perfect 5ths, and replace the "regular" interval name. I have put them in there to gain functionality at the cost of losing familiarity/introducing novelty in addition to 'HO', the half-octave. My (Gareth's) system at this stage is the same as Dave Keenan's but for the addition of these. I suppose they could just be optional additional names for those steps. I was led to this after not finding any reason to change Dave's system, but not liking that it led to A2/d3 for the 240c interval in 5n-edos, and A6/d7 for the 960c interval. Seems weird.

Sagi-Speak, Ups and Downs, and Colours are all great, but are completely new ideas that can be linked to on the pages. Sagi-Speak and Ups are directly linked to the two main options for notation.

<who said this?> I like Igs' and Dave's systems the best I think. They are very different. Both are 'size' based rather than 'function', but the point of reference for Igs' is 12edo, which would be more familiar to new readers. Dave's uses JI / 72edo alterations two short chains of the edos best fifth - giving the perfect and neutral intervals, so is malleable in it's application to edos, and more able to reflect the 'function' of the intervals in an edo. I've added a few functional labels to it. Might be best to have those in brackets. At this stage I would like to see both on every edo page. Igs' has a point that his extra-diatonic names need not or perhaps should not be associated with ratios. Dave's on the other hand benifit from such an association. Perhaps an edo page could start with Igs' in the intervals section without ratios as he first edits, and in the temperament section Dave's names can be included.

I've done this for 72edo as well. [author: Gareth.hearne (talk)]