No-fives subgroup temperaments: Difference between revisions

Temperaments with a 2.3.7 gene: adopt Sintel's badness, WE and CWE tunings (2/)
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{{Main| Squares }}
{{Main| Squares }}


Skwares is the no-5 restriction of [[squares]].  
Skwares is the no-5 [[restriction]] of [[squares]].  


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.7
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=== Harrison ===
=== Harrison ===
Subgroup: 2.3.7
Harrison is the no-5 [[restriction]] of [[meantone]]. As such, there is little reason to consider this temperament in practice – since intervals of 5 in meantone are as accurate as intervals of 7, only simpler, they are always available by the time intervals of 7 are generated.  


[[Comma]]: [[59049/57344]]
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.7


[[Gencom]]: [2 3/2; 59049/57344]
[[Comma list]]: [[59049/57344]]


[[Gencom|Gencom mapping]]: [{{val|1 1 0 -3}}, {{val|0 1 0 10}}]
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 -13 | 0 1 10 }}


[[Mapping|Sval mapping]]: [{{val|1 1 -3}}, {{val|0 1 10}}]
{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 0 -13 | 0 1 0 10 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~3


[[Tp tuning|POL2 generator]]: ~3/2 = 696.544
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1201.5353{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.4352{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| +1.535 -2.984 +0.920 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.7289{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -5.226 -1.537 }}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, 19, 31, 112b, 143b, 174b }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, 19, 31, 112b, 143b, 174b }}


[[Tp tuning #T2 tuning|RMS error]]: 1.226 cents
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.35
 
Related temperament: [[Meantone family #Septimal meantone|septimal meantone]]


=== Leapfrog ===
=== Leapfrog ===
: ''For extensions, see [[Leapday]], [[Leapweek]], [[Supermean]], and [[Srutal]].''
: ''For extensions, see [[Leapday]], [[Leapweek]], [[Supermean]], and [[Srutal]].''
{{See also| Gentle region }}
{{See also| Gentle region }}
Leapfrog is generated by a [[3/2|perfect fifth]] and the [[interval class]] of [[7/1|7]] is found at +15 steps, as an double-augmented fifth (C–G𝄪).


In regular [[13-limit]] [[leapday]], the mapping for prime 5 is very complex at +21 generator steps. Furthermore, adding prime 5 to rank-3 [[parapythic]] is arguably against the original vision of it as a 2.3.7.11.13-subgroup temperament, so avoiding prime 5 may be preferred for this reason also. This results in no-5's leapday, or leapfrog, which as aforementioned is much lower in badness, but it also allows more tunings to be used: a notable [[patent val]] tuning not appearing in the [[optimal ET sequence]] is [[80edo]], which is approximately the just-13's tuning (as [[10edo]] is used as a [[consistent circle]] of [[~]][[16/13]]'s therein), with 13/8 still tuned slightly flat so qualifying a reasonable tuning for the 2.3.13 subgroup (as evidenced by appearing in the sequence for [[tetris]]). In other words, the only reason 80edo was "disqualified" from leapday is that the mapping for prime 5 constrains the tuning range which is naturally more flexible as a no-5's 13-limit temperament, which is also a sign of leapfrog being very efficient.
In regular [[13-limit]] [[leapday]], the mapping for prime 5 is very complex at +21 generator steps. Furthermore, adding prime 5 to rank-3 [[parapythic]] is arguably against the original vision of it as a 2.3.7.11.13-subgroup temperament, so avoiding prime 5 may be preferred for this reason also. This results in no-5's leapday, or leapfrog, which as aforementioned is much lower in badness, but it also allows more tunings to be used: a notable [[patent val]] tuning not appearing in the [[optimal ET sequence]] is [[80edo]], which is approximately the just-13's tuning (as [[10edo]] is used as a [[consistent circle]] of [[~]][[16/13]]'s therein), with 13/8 still tuned slightly flat so qualifying a reasonable tuning for the 2.3.13 subgroup (as evidenced by appearing in the sequence for [[tetris]]). In other words, the only reason 80edo was "disqualified" from leapday is that the mapping for prime 5 constrains the tuning range which is naturally more flexible as a no-5's 13-limit temperament, which is also a sign of leapfrog being very efficient.
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{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 -21 | 0 1 15 }}
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 -21 | 0 1 15 }}


{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 1 0 -6 | 0 1 0 15 }}
{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 0 -21 | 0 1 0 15 }}
 
: mapping generators: ~2, ~3
: [[gencom]]: [2 3/2; 14680064/14348907]


[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
* [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 704.721
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1199.1807{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.2400{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| -0.819 +1.466 -0.311 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.6600{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +2.705 +1.074 }}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 17, 46, 63 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 17, 46, 63, 235b, 298b, 361bd, 424bd, 487bbd }}


[[Tp tuning #T2 tuning|RMS error]]: 0.6202 cents
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 4.33


==== 2.3.7.11 ====
==== 2.3.7.11 ====
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.7.11


[[Comma list]]: 896/891, 1331/1323
Comma list: 896/891, 1331/1323


{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 -21 -14 | 0 1 15 11 }}
Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -21 -14 | 0 1 15 11 }}


{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 1 0 -6 -3 | 0 1 0 15 11 }}
Gencom mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -21 -14 | 0 1 0 15 11 }}


: [[gencom]]: [2 3/2; 896/891 1331/1323]
Optimal tunings:  
 
* WE: ~2 = 1199.2683{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.3230{{c}}
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.6926{{c}}
* [[POTE]]: ~3/2 = 704.753


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 17, 46, 63 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 17, 46, 63 }}


[[Tp tuning #T2 tuning|RMS error]]: 0.6047 cents
Badness (Sintel): 0.629


==== 2.3.7.11.13 ====
==== 2.3.7.11.13 ====
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.7.11.13


[[Comma list]]: 169/168, 352/351, 364/363
Comma list: 169/168, 352/351, 364/363


{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 -21 -14 -9 | 0 1 15 11 8 }}
Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -21 -14 -9 | 0 1 15 11 8 }}


{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 1 0 -6 -3 -1 | 0 1 0 15 11 8 }}
Gencom mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -21 -14 -9 | 0 1 0 15 11 8 }}


: [[gencom]]: [2 3/2; 169/169 352/351 364/363]
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1199.5654{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.4898{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.7084{{c}}


[[Optimal tuning]]s:
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 17, 46, 63 }}
* [[CTE]]: ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 704.633
* [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 704.745


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 17, 46, 63 }}
Badness (Sintel): 0.436
 
[[Tp tuning #T2 tuning|RMS error]]: 0.7541 cents


===== Skidoo =====
===== Skidoo =====
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.7.11.13.23
Subgroup: 2.3.7.11.13.23


[[Comma list]]: 169/168, 208/207, 352/351, 364/363
Comma list: 169/168, 208/207, 352/351, 364/363


{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 -21 -14 -9 -5 | 0 1 15 11 8 6 }}
Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -21 -14 -9 -5 | 0 1 15 11 8 6 }}


{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 1 0 -6 -3 -1 0 0 1 | 0 1 0 15 11 8 0 0 6 }}
Gencom mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -21 -14 -9 0 0 -5 | 0 1 0 15 11 8 0 0 6 }}


: [[gencom]]: [2 3/2; 169/169 208/207 352/351 364/363]
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1199.6639{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.5315{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.7021{{c}}


[[Optimal tuning]]s:
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 17, 46, 63 }}
* [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 704.729
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 17, 46, 63 }}


[[Tp tuning #T2 tuning|RMS error]]: 0.6265 cents
Badness (Sintel): 0.356


====== 2.3.7.11.13.23.29 ======
====== 2.3.7.11.13.23.29 ======
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.7.11.13.23.29
Subgroup: 2.3.7.11.13.23.29


[[Comma list]]: 169/168, 208/207, 232/231, 352/351, 364/363
Comma list: 169/168, 208/207, 232/231, 352/351, 364/363


{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 -21 -14 -9 -5 -38 | 0 1 15 11 8 6 27 }}
Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -21 -14 -9 -5 -38 | 0 1 15 11 8 6 27 }}


{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 1 0 -6 -3 -1 0 0 1 -11 | 0 1 0 15 11 8 0 0 6 27 }}
Gencom mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -21 -14 -9 -5 0 0 -38 | 0 1 0 15 11 8 0 0 6 27 }}


: [[gencom]]: [2 3/2; 169/169 208/207 352/351 364/363]
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1199.5755{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.5533{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.7750{{c}}


[[Optimal tuning]]s:
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 17, 46, 63 }}
* [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 704.729


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 17, 46, 63 }}
Badness (Sintel): 0.441


; Music
; Music
* Suite for Harpsichord in A Locrian, tuning: Eb-G# in [[46edo]] by [[Inthar]] (in progress):
* Suite for Harpsichord in A Locrian, tuning: Eb–G# in [[46edo]] by [[Inthar]] (in progress):
** I. Prelude
** I. Prelude
** II. Allemande
** II. Allemande
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=== Doublehearted ===
=== Doublehearted ===
{{see also|Heartland}}
{{See also| Heartland }}


Subgroup: 2.3.7
Subgroup: 2.3.7