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| Subregions = [[Submajor third]] <br> [[Supermajor third]] <br> [[Ultramajor third]]
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As an [[interval region]], a major third is typically near 400{{c}} in size. A rough tuning range for the major third is about 370 to 440{{c}} according to [[Margo Schulter]]'s theory of interval regions. ''Major third'' in this sense refers both to the ~350–450{{c}} range as a whole, and to a specific subdivision within it (~370–415{{c}}) as opposed to supermajor thirds; major thirds sharp of this are often called "supermajor thirds".  
As an [[interval region]], a major third is typically near 400{{c}} in size. A rough tuning range for the major third is about 370 to 440{{c}} according to [[Margo Schulter]]'s theory of interval regions. ''Major third'' in this sense refers both to the ~350–450{{c}} range as a whole, and to a specific subdivision within it (~370–415{{c}}) as opposed to supermajor thirds; major thirds sharp of this are often called supermajor thirds.  


This section covers intervals between 360 and 460{{c}}. The outer range of this might be too extreme to call "major thirds", but this is done so that one can find what they're looking for easily.   
This section covers intervals between 360 and 460{{c}}. The outer range of this might be too extreme to call major thirds, but this is done so that one can find what they're looking for easily.   


=== In MOS scales ===
=== In mos scales ===
Intervals between 360 and 480 cents generate the following [[mos]] scales:
Intervals between 360 and 480 cents generate the following [[mos scale]]s:


These tables start from the last monolarge mos generated by the interval range.
These tables start from the last monolarge mos generated by the interval range.
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== As a diatonic interval category ==
== As a diatonic interval category ==
As a diatonic interval category, a major third is an interval that spans two scale steps in the [[5L 2s|diatonic]] scale with the major (wider) quality. It is generated by stacking 4 fifths [[Octave reduction|octave reduced]], and depending on the specific tuning, it ranges from 343 to 480{{cent}} ([[7edo|2\7]] to [[5edo|2\5]]).{{Infobox|Title=Diatonic major third|Header 1=MOS|Data 1=[[5L&nbsp;2s]]|Header 2=Other names|Data 2=Major 2-diastep|Header 3=Generator span|Data 3=+4 generators|Header 4=Tuning range|Data 4=343–480{{c}}|Header 5=Basic tuning|Data 5=400{{c}}|Header 6=Function on root|Data 6=Mediant|Header 7=Interval regions|Data 7=[[Neutral third (interval region)|Neutral third]], [[major third (interval region)|major third]], ([[naiadic]])|Header 8=Associated just intervals|Data 8=[[5/4]], [[81/64]]|Header 9=Octave complement|Data 9=[[Minor sixth (diatonic interval category)|Minor sixth]]}}In [[just intonation]], an interval may be classified as a major third if it is reasonably mapped to two steps of the diatonic scale and four steps of the chromatic scale, or formally 2\7 and [[24edo|8\24]]. The use of 24edo's 8\24 as the mapping criteria here rather than [[12edo]]'s 4\12 better captures the characteristics of many intervals in the [[11-limit|11-]] and [[13-limit]].
{{Infobox
| Title = Diatonic major third
| Header 1 = MOS | Data 1 = [[5L&nbsp;2s]]
| Header 2 = Other names | Data 2 = Major 2-diastep
| Header 3 = Generator span | Data 3 = +4 generators
| Header 4 = Tuning range | Data 4 = 343–480{{c}}
| Header 5 = Basic tuning | Data 5 = 400{{c}}
| Header 6 = Function on root | Data 6 = Mediant
| Header 7 = Interval regions | Data 7 = [[Neutral third]], major third, ([[naiadic]])
| Header 8 = Associated just intervals | Data 8 = [[5/4]], [[81/64]]
| Header 9 = Octave complement | Data 9 = [[Minor sixth]]
}}
As a diatonic interval category, a major third is an interval that spans two scale steps in the [[5L 2s|diatonic]] scale with the major (wider) quality. It is generated by stacking 4 fifths [[octave reduction|octave reduced]], and depending on the specific tuning, it ranges from 343 to 480{{cent}} ([[7edo|2\7]] to [[5edo|2\5]]).


The major third can be stacked with a [[Minor third (diatonic interval category)|minor third]] to form a perfect fifth, and as such is often involved in chord structures in diatonic harmony.
In [[just intonation]], an interval may be classified as a major third if it is reasonably mapped to two steps of the diatonic scale and four steps of the chromatic scale, or formally 2\7 and [[24edo|8\24]]. The use of 24edo's 8\24 as the mapping criteria here rather than [[12edo]]'s 4\12 better captures the characteristics of many intervals in the [[11-limit|11-]] and [[13-limit]].
 
The major third can be stacked with a [[minor third]] to form a perfect fifth, and as such is often involved in chord structures in diatonic harmony.


In [[TAMNAMS]], this interval is called the '''major 2-diastep'''.
In [[TAMNAMS]], this interval is called the '''major 2-diastep'''.
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Being an abstract mos degree, and not a specific interval, the diatonic major third does not have a fixed tuning, but instead has a range of ways it can be tuned, based on the tuning of the generator used in making the scale. This is similar for the diminished fourth.
Being an abstract mos degree, and not a specific interval, the diatonic major third does not have a fixed tuning, but instead has a range of ways it can be tuned, based on the tuning of the generator used in making the scale. This is similar for the diminished fourth.


The tuning range of the diatonic major third ranges from 342.8 to 480{{c}}. The generator for a given tuning in cents, ''n'', for the diatonic major third can be found by {{nowrap|(''n'' + 2400)/4}}. For example, the third 384{{c}} gives us {{nowrap|(384 + 2400)/4 {{=}} 2784/4 {{=}} 696{{c}}}}, corresponding to 50edo.
The tuning range of the diatonic major third ranges from 342.8 to 480{{c}}. The generator for a given tuning in cents, ''n'', for the diatonic major third can be found by {{nowrap| (''n'' + 2400)/4 }}. For example, the third 384{{c}} gives us {{nowrap| (384 + 2400)/4 {{=}} 2784/4 {{=}} 696{{c}} }}, corresponding to 50edo.


The tuning range of the diatonic diminished fourth ranges from 240 to 514{{c}}. The generator for a given tuning in cents, n, for the diminished fourth can be found by (n + 3600)/8. For example, the diminished fourth 384{{c}} gives us (384 + 3600)/8 = 3984/8 = 498{{c}}, corresponding to 200edo.  
The tuning range of the diatonic diminished fourth ranges from 240 to 514{{c}}. The generator for a given tuning in cents, n, for the diminished fourth can be found by {{nowrap| (''n'' + 3600)/8 }}. For example, the diminished fourth 384{{c}} gives us {{nowrap| (384 + 3600)/8 {{=}} 3984/8 {{=}} 498{{c}} }}, corresponding to 200edo.  


Several example tunings are provided below:
Several example tunings are provided below:
{| class="wikitable center-all left-1"
{| class="wikitable center-all left-1"
|+Tunings of the major third and diminished fourth
|+Tunings of the major third and diminished fourth
!Tuning
! Tuning
!Step ratio
! Step ratio
!Edo
! Edo
!Major third
! Major third
!Diminished fourth
! Diminished fourth
|-
|-
|Equalized
| Equalized
|1:1
| 1:1
|7
| 7
|343{{c}}
| 343{{c}}
|514{{c}}
| 514{{c}}
|-
|-
|Supersoft
| Supersoft
|4:3
| 4:3
|26
| 26
|369{{c}}
| 369{{c}}
|462{{c}}
| 462{{c}}
|-
|-
|Soft
| Soft
|3:2
| 3:2
|19
| 19
|379{{c}}
| 379{{c}}
|442{{c}}
| 442{{c}}
|-
|-
|Semisoft
| Semisoft
|5:3
| 5:3
|31
| 31
|387{{c}}
| 387{{c}}
|426{{c}}
| 426{{c}}
|-
|-
|Basic
| Basic
|2:1
| 2:1
|12
| 12
|400{{c}}
| 400{{c}}
|400{{c}}
| 400{{c}}
|-
|-
|Semihard
| Semihard
|5:2
| 5:2
|29
| 29
|414{{c}}
| 414{{c}}
|372{{c}}
| 372{{c}}
|-
|-
|Hard
| Hard
|3:1
| 3:1
|17
| 17
|424{{c}}
| 424{{c}}
|353{{c}}
| 353{{c}}
|-
|-
|Superhard
| Superhard
|4:1
| 4:1
|22
| 22
|436{{c}}
| 436{{c}}
|327{{c}}
| 327{{c}}
|-
|-
|Collapsed
| Collapsed
|1:0
| 1:0
|5
| 5
|480{{c}}
| 480{{c}}
|240{{c}}
| 240{{c}}
|}
|}


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Much [[odd limit|simpler]] major thirds and diminished fourths exist in higher [[prime limit|limits]], however, for example:
Much [[odd limit|simpler]] major thirds and diminished fourths exist in higher [[prime limit|limits]], however, for example:
* The 5-limit '''classical major third''' is a ratio of [[5/4]], and is about 386{{c}}.
* The 5-limit '''classical major third''' is a ratio of [[5/4]], and is about 386{{c}}.
* The 7-limit '''(septimal) supermajor third''' is a ratio of [[9/7]], and is almost exactly 435{{c}}.
* The 7-limit '''(septimal) supermajor third''' is a ratio of [[9/7]], and is almost exactly 435{{c}}.