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: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Nusecond]].''

Nusecond tempers out [[2430/2401]] and [[16875/16807]] in addition to 126/125, and may be described as {{nowrap| 31 & 70 }}. It has a neutral second generator of [[49/45]], two of which make up a 6/5 minor third since 2430/2401 is tempered out. [[31edo]] can be used as a tuning, or [[132edo]] with a val which is the sum of the [[patent val]]s for 31 and 101. Because 49/45 is flat of 12/11 by only 540/539, nusecond is more naturally thought of as an 11-limit temperament with a combined 12/11 and 11/10 as a generator, tempering out 99/98, 121/120 and 540/539. Because of all the neutral seconds, an exotic Middle Eastern sound comes naturally to nusecond. Mosses of 15, 23, or 31 notes are enough to give fuller effect to the harmony, but the 8-note mos might also be considered from the melodic point of view.

Nusecond tempers out [[2430/2401]] and [[16875/16807]] in addition to 126/125, and may be described as {{nowrap| 31 & 70 }}. It has a neutral second generator of [[49/45]], two of which make up a 6/5 minor third since 2430/2401 is tempered out. Note that in the data below, the generator is its [[octave complement]] since eleven such generators [[octave reduction|octave reduced]] give the [[3/2|perfect fifth]]; its [[ploidacot]] is thus theta-hendecacot.

[[31edo]] can be used as a tuning, or [[132edo]] with a val which is the sum of the [[patent val]]s for 31 and 101. Because 49/45 is flat of 12/11 by only 540/539, nusecond is more naturally thought of as an 11-limit temperament with a combined 12/11 and 11/10 as a generator, tempering out 99/98, 121/120 and 540/539. Because of all the neutral seconds, an exotic Middle Eastern sound comes naturally to nusecond. Mosses of 15, 23, or 31 notes are enough to give fuller effect to the harmony, but the 8-note mos might also be considered from the melodic point of view.

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: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Casablanca]].''

Aside from 126/125, casablanca tempers out the no-threes comma [[823543/819200]] and also [[589824/588245]], and may ~~also~~ be described as {{nowrap| 31 & 73 }}. 74\135 or 91\166 supply good tunings for the generator, and 20- and 31-note ~~mosses~~ are available.

Aside from 126/125, casablanca tempers out the no-threes comma [[823543/819200]] and also [[589824/588245]], and may be described as {{nowrap| 31 & 73 }}. 61\135 or 75\166 supply good tunings for the generator, and 20- and 31-note [[mos scale]]s are available.

It may not seem like casablanca has much to offer, but peering under the hood a bit harder suggests otherwise. For one thing, the [[~]][[48/35]] generator is particularly interesting; like [[15/14]] and [[21/20]], it represents an interval between one vertex of a [[hexany]] and the opposite vertex, which makes it particularly simple with regard to the cubic lattice of tetrads.

It may not seem like casablanca has much to offer, but peering under the hood a bit harder suggests otherwise. For one thing, the ~35/24 generator is particularly interesting; like 15/14 and 21/20, it represents an interval between one vertex of a [[hexany]] and the opposite vertex, which makes it particularly simple with regard to the cubic lattice of tetrads. For another, if we add 385/384 to the list of commas, 35~~/24~~ is identified with 16/11, and casablanca is revealed as an 11-limit temperament with a very low complexity for 11 and not too high a one for 7; we might compare 1, 4, 14, 19, the generator steps to 11, 7, 5 and 3 respectively, with 1, 4, 10, 18, the steps to 3, 5, 7 and 11 in 11-limit meantone.

If we add 385/384 to the list of commas, 48/35 is identified with [[11/8]], and casablanca is revealed as an [[11-limit]] temperament with a very low complexity for [[11/1|11]] and not too high a one for [[7/1|7]]; we might compare 1, 4, 14, 19, the generator steps to 11, 7, 5 and 3 respectively, with 1, 4, 10, 18, the steps to 3, 5, 7 and 11 in 11-limit [[meantone]].

Marrakesh, named by [[Herman Miller]] in 2011<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_19166.html#19186 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''A rose by any other name . . .'']</ref>, is a more accurate 11-limit extension where the generator is identified with 22/15 as opposed to 16/11 in casablanca.

Marrakesh, named by [[Herman Miller]] in 2011<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_19166.html#19186 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''A rose by any other name . . .'']</ref>, is a more accurate 11-limit extension where the generator is identified with [[15/11]] as opposed to 11/8 in casablanca.

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== Supersensi ==

Supersensi ({{nowrap| 8d & 43 }}) has supermajor third as a generator like [[sensi]], but the no-fives comma 17496/16807 rather than 245/243 tempered out.

Supersensi may be described as {{nowrap| 8d & 43 }}. It has supermajor third as a generator like [[sensi]], but the no-fives comma [[17496/16807]] rather than [[245/243]] tempered out.

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== Cobalt ==

Cobalt ~~({{nowrap| 27 & 81 }})~~ has a period of 1/27 octave and tempers out 126/125 and 540/539~~, as well~~ as the [[aplonis]] temperament.

Cobalt has a period of 1/27 octave and tempers out 126/125 and 540/539 as in the [[aplonis]] temperament. It may be described as {{nowrap| 27 & 81 }}.

The name of the cobalt temperament comes from the 27th element.

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 : ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Nusecond]].''
-Nusecond tempers out [[2430/2401]] and [[16875/16807]] in addition to 126/125, and may be described as {{nowrap| 31 & 70 }}. It has a neutral second generator of [[49/45]], two of which make up a 6/5 minor third since 2430/2401 is tempered out. [[31edo]] can be used as a tuning, or [[132edo]] with a val which is the sum of the [[patent val]]s for 31 and 101. Because 49/45 is flat of 12/11 by only 540/539, nusecond is more naturally thought of as an 11-limit temperament with a combined 12/11 and 11/10 as a generator, tempering out 99/98, 121/120 and 540/539. Because of all the neutral seconds, an exotic Middle Eastern sound comes naturally to nusecond. Mosses of 15, 23, or 31 notes are enough to give fuller effect to the harmony, but the 8-note mos might also be considered from the melodic point of view.
+Nusecond tempers out [[2430/2401]] and [[16875/16807]] in addition to 126/125, and may be described as {{nowrap| 31 & 70 }}. It has a neutral second generator of [[49/45]], two of which make up a 6/5 minor third since 2430/2401 is tempered out. Note that in the data below, the generator is its [[octave complement]] since eleven such generators [[octave reduction|octave reduced]] give the [[3/2|perfect fifth]]; its [[ploidacot]] is thus theta-hendecacot.
+[[31edo]] can be used as a tuning, or [[132edo]] with a val which is the sum of the [[patent val]]s for 31 and 101. Because 49/45 is flat of 12/11 by only 540/539, nusecond is more naturally thought of as an 11-limit temperament with a combined 12/11 and 11/10 as a generator, tempering out 99/98, 121/120 and 540/539. Because of all the neutral seconds, an exotic Middle Eastern sound comes naturally to nusecond. Mosses of 15, 23, or 31 notes are enough to give fuller effect to the harmony, but the 8-note mos might also be considered from the melodic point of view.
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 : ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Casablanca]].''
-Aside from 126/125, casablanca tempers out the no-threes comma [[823543/819200]] and also [[589824/588245]], and may also be described as {{nowrap| 31 & 73 }}. 74\135 or 91\166 supply good tunings for the generator, and 20- and 31-note mosses are available.
+Aside from 126/125, casablanca tempers out the no-threes comma [[823543/819200]] and also [[589824/588245]], and may be described as {{nowrap| 31 & 73 }}. 61\135 or 75\166 supply good tunings for the generator, and 20- and 31-note [[mos scale]]s are available.
+It may not seem like casablanca has much to offer, but peering under the hood a bit harder suggests otherwise. For one thing, the [[~]][[48/35]] generator is particularly interesting; like [[15/14]] and [[21/20]], it represents an interval between one vertex of a [[hexany]] and the opposite vertex, which makes it particularly simple with regard to the cubic lattice of tetrads.
-It may not seem like casablanca has much to offer, but peering under the hood a bit harder suggests otherwise. For one thing, the ~35/24 generator is particularly interesting; like 15/14 and 21/20, it represents an interval between one vertex of a [[hexany]] and the opposite vertex, which makes it particularly simple with regard to the cubic lattice of tetrads. For another, if we add 385/384 to the list of commas, 35/24 is identified with 16/11, and casablanca is revealed as an 11-limit temperament with a very low complexity for 11 and not too high a one for 7; we might compare 1, 4, 14, 19, the generator steps to 11, 7, 5 and 3 respectively, with 1, 4, 10, 18, the steps to 3, 5, 7 and 11 in 11-limit meantone.
+If we add 385/384 to the list of commas, 48/35 is identified with [[11/8]], and casablanca is revealed as an [[11-limit]] temperament with a very low complexity for [[11/1|11]] and not too high a one for [[7/1|7]]; we might compare 1, 4, 14, 19, the generator steps to 11, 7, 5 and 3 respectively, with 1, 4, 10, 18, the steps to 3, 5, 7 and 11 in 11-limit [[meantone]].
-Marrakesh, named by [[Herman Miller]] in 2011<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_19166.html#19186 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''A rose by any other name . . .'']</ref>, is a more accurate 11-limit extension where the generator is identified with 22/15 as opposed to 16/11 in casablanca.
+Marrakesh, named by [[Herman Miller]] in 2011<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_19166.html#19186 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''A rose by any other name . . .'']</ref>, is a more accurate 11-limit extension where the generator is identified with [[15/11]] as opposed to 11/8 in casablanca.
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 == Supersensi ==
-Supersensi ({{nowrap| 8d & 43 }}) has supermajor third as a generator like [[sensi]], but the no-fives comma 17496/16807 rather than 245/243 tempered out.
+Supersensi may be described as {{nowrap| 8d & 43 }}. It has supermajor third as a generator like [[sensi]], but the no-fives comma [[17496/16807]] rather than [[245/243]] tempered out.
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 == Cobalt ==
-Cobalt ({{nowrap| 27 & 81 }}) has a period of 1/27 octave and tempers out 126/125 and 540/539, as well as the [[aplonis]] temperament.
+Cobalt has a period of 1/27 octave and tempers out 126/125 and 540/539 as in the [[aplonis]] temperament. It may be described as {{nowrap| 27 & 81 }}.
 The name of the cobalt temperament comes from the 27th element.