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[[Indonesian]] pelog scales sometimes use five-tone subsets of a seven-tone superset in a similar way, and it has been suggested that Indonesian gamelan music stems from a [http://www.neuroscience-of-music.se/pelog%20historical.htm 9edo tradition]. You can also use the 2/9, which generates mos scales of [[1L 3s]] (3 2 2 2) and [[4L 1s]] (2 2 2 2 1) and can be interpreted as either an extremely sharp [[bug]] scale or an extremely flat [[orwell]] one. | [[Indonesian]] pelog scales sometimes use five-tone subsets of a seven-tone superset in a similar way, and it has been suggested that Indonesian gamelan music stems from a [http://www.neuroscience-of-music.se/pelog%20historical.htm 9edo tradition]. You can also use the 2/9, which generates mos scales of [[1L 3s]] (3 2 2 2) and [[4L 1s]] (2 2 2 2 1) and can be interpreted as either an extremely sharp [[bug]] scale or an extremely flat [[orwell]] one. | ||
== Historical (and other) relevance == | |||
As a division of the octave into 3<sup>2</sup> parts, i. e. a dominant position of the number 3, also suggest 9edo's suitability as base tuning for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klingon Klingon] music (since the tradtional Klingon number system is also based on 3). See, for this: | |||
[http://%5B%5Bhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LjcBv-OWtQ%5D%5D Levi McClain, Klingon music theory is weird] | |||
== Diagrams == | == Diagrams == | ||
Revision as of 10:45, 18 May 2025
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9 equal divisions of the octave (abbreviated 9edo or 9ed2), also called 9-tone equal temperament (9tet) or 9 equal temperament (9et) when viewed under a regular temperament perspective, is the tuning system that divides the octave into 9 equal parts of about 133 ¢ each. Each step represents a frequency ratio of 21/9, or the 9th root of 2.
Theory
The 9edo scale has the peculiar property of representing certain 7-limit intervals almost exactly. A 7-limit version of 9edo goes
1: 27/25 133.238 large limma, BP small semitone
2: 7/6 266.871 septimal minor third
3: 63/50 400.108 quasi-equal major third
4: 49/36 533.742 Arabic lute acute fourth
5: 72/49 666.258 Arabic lute grave fifth
6: 100/63 799.892 quasi-equal minor sixth
7: 12/7 933.129 septimal major sixth
8: 50/27 1066.762 grave major seventh
9: 2/1 1200.000 octave
Here the characterizations are taken from Scala, which also describes the scale itself as "Pelog Nawanada: Sunda". Chords such as 1/1 – 7/6 – 49/36 – 12/7 are therefore natural ones for 9edo. The above scale generates the just intonation subgroup 2.27/25.7/3, which is closely related to 9edo.
9edo has very little to offer in terms of accuracy for harmonics. Most other systems that lack good perfect fifths such as 6edo, 11edo, 13edo and 18edo at least contain a reasonable approximation of 9/8 (or (3/2)2), so they can be viewed as temperaments in subgroups like 2.9.5 and 2.9.7. 9edo, on the other hand, completely misses both 3/2 and 9/8. You could then try to treat 9edo as an entirely no-threes system without any 3/2 or 9/8, in a subgroup like 2.5.7.11, but even here 9edo performs somewhat poorly, because its best 7/4 is much closer to 12/7 and is off by 36 cents, while its best 11/8 is off by 18 cents. The 13th harmonic is also entirely missed by 9edo.
This being said, 9edo's fifth does approximate 47/32 to within about 1.2 cents, and remains near enough the boundary of perfect fifth and subfifth, so it sounds quite dirty but still recognizable. 9 is the first edo to include the antidiatonic (2L 5s) scale, which this fifth generates as well.
Odd harmonics
| Harmonic | 3 | 5 | 7 | 9 | 11 | 13 | 15 | 17 | 19 | 21 | 23 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Error | Absolute (¢) | -35.3 | +13.7 | -35.5 | +62.8 | -18.0 | -40.5 | -21.6 | +28.4 | -30.8 | +62.6 | +38.4 |
| Relative (%) | -26.5 | +10.3 | -26.6 | +47.1 | -13.5 | -30.4 | -16.2 | +21.3 | -23.1 | +46.9 | +28.8 | |
| Steps (reduced) |
14 (5) |
21 (3) |
25 (7) |
29 (2) |
31 (4) |
33 (6) |
35 (8) |
37 (1) |
38 (2) |
40 (4) |
41 (5) | |
Subsets and supersets
9edo is the first odd composite edo, containing 3edo as a subset.
The ennealimmal temperament contains 9edo as a subset (splitting 2/1 into 9 equal parts) and is excellent in the 7-limit. However, 9edo by itself tempers out 27/25 by patent val, rather than representing it as 1\9 like in ennealimmal, although the 9bccd val contains both the 27/25 and 7/6 representations above and therefore supports ennealimmal.
Notation
9edo can be notated with conventional notation, including the staff, note names, relative notation, etc. in two ways. The first defines sharp/flat, major/minor and aug/dim in terms of the native antidiatonic scale, such that sharp is higher pitched than flat, and major/aug is wider than minor/dim, as would be expected. Because it does not follow diatonic conventions, conventional interval arithmetic no longer works, e.g. M2 + M2 isn't M3, and D + M2 isn't E. Because antidiatonic is the sister scale to diatonic, you can solve this by swapping major and minor in interval arithmetic rules. Chord names don't follow diatonic nominals because C – E – G is not P1 – M3 – P5.
The second approach is to essentially pretend 9edo's antidiatonic scale is a normal diatonic, meaning that sharp is lower in pitch than flat (since the "S" step is larger than the "L" step) and major/aug is narrower than minor/dim. This allows music notated in 12edo or another diatonic system to be directly translated to 9edo "on the fly", and it carries over the way interval arithmetic and chord names work from diatonic notation.
In this notation, the enharmonic unison is the augmented 2nd, e.g. E♭ to F♯.
| degree | cents | Approximate Ratios |
Antidiatonic Major wider than minor |
Diatonic Major narrower than minor |
Audio | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 0 | 0.00 | 1/1 | perfect unison | D | perfect unison | D | |
| 1 | 133.33 | 14/13 (+5.035), 13/12 (−5.239), 12/11 (−17.304) |
minor 2nd | E | major 2nd | E | |
| 2 | 266.67 | 7/6 (−0.204) | major 2nd, minor 3rd | E♯, F♭ | minor 2nd, major 3rd | E♭, F♯ | |
| 3 | 400.00 | 5/4 (+13.686), 14/11 (−17.508), 9/7 (−35.084) |
major 3rd | F | minor 3rd | F | |
| 4 | 533.33 | 4/3 (+35.288), 11/8 (−17.985) | perfect 4th | G | perfect 4th | G | |
| 5 | 666.67 | 16/11 (+17.985), 3/2 (−35.288) | perfect 5th | A | perfect 5th | A | |
| 6 | 800.00 | 14/9 (+35.084) 11/7 (+17.508), 8/5 (−13.686) |
minor 6th | B | major 6th | B | |
| 7 | 933.33 | 12/7 (+0.204) | major 6th, minor 7th | B♯, C♭ | minor 6th, major 7th | B♭, C♯ | |
| 8 | 1066.67 | 11/6 (+17.304) 13/7 (−5.035) | major 7th | C | minor 7th | C | |
| 9 | 1200.00 | 2/1 | octave | D | octave | D | |
Sagittal notation
This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as 14-EDO.

Approximation to JI
Selected just intervals
Zeta peak index
| Tuning | Strength | Octave (cents) | Integer limit | |||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| ZPI | Steps per 8ve |
Step size (cents) |
Height | Integral | Gap | Size | Stretch | Consistent | Distinct | |
| Tempered | Pure | |||||||||
| 22zpi | 8.949992 | 134.078333 | 3.998567 | 3.622488 | 0.954565 | 13.186387 | 1206.704993 | 6.704993 | 8 | 6 |
Regular temperament properties
| Subgroup | Comma list | Mapping | Optimal 8ve stretch (¢) |
Tuning error | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Absolute (¢) | Relative (%) | ||||
| 2.3 | [-14 9⟩ | [⟨9 14]] | +11.13 | 11.24 | 8.35 |
| 2.3.5 | 27/25, 128/125 | [⟨9 14 21]] | +5.36 | 12.18 | 9.10 |
| 2.3.5.7 | 21/20, 36/35, 49/48 | [⟨9 14 21 25]] | +7.20 | 11.02 | 8.21 |
| 2.3.5.7.11 | 21/20, 33/32, 36/35, 45/44 | [⟨9 14 21 25 31]] | +6.80 | 9.89 | 7.37 |
Uniform maps
| Min. size | Max. size | Wart notation | Map |
|---|---|---|---|
| 8.7827 | 8.8165 | 9cee | ⟨9 14 20 25 30 33] |
| 8.8165 | 8.8289 | 9c | ⟨9 14 20 25 31 33] |
| 8.8289 | 9.0530 | 9 | ⟨9 14 21 25 31 33] |
| 9.0530 | 9.0833 | 9f | ⟨9 14 21 25 31 34] |
| 9.0833 | 9.1055 | 9df | ⟨9 14 21 26 31 34] |
| 9.1055 | 9.1485 | 9def | ⟨9 14 21 26 32 34] |
| 9.1485 | 9.2595 | 9bdef | ⟨9 15 21 26 32 34] |
Commas
9et tempers out the following commas. This assumes val ⟨9 14 21 25 31 33].
| Prime limit |
Ratio[note 1] | Monzo | Cents | Color name | Name |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 3 | 19683/16384 | [-14 9⟩ | 317.59 | Lawa 2nd | Pythagorean augmented second |
| 5 | 27/25 | [0 3 -2⟩ | 133.24 | Gugu | Bug comma, large limma |
| 5 | 135/128 | [-7 3 1⟩ | 92.18 | Layobi | Mavila comma, major chroma |
| 5 | 16875/16384 | [-14 3 4⟩ | 51.12 | Laquadyo | Negri comma |
| 5 | 128/125 | [7 0 -3⟩ | 41.06 | Trigu | Augmented comma, lesser diesis |
| 5 | (14 digits) | [-21 3 7⟩ | 10.06 | Lasepyo | Semicomma |
| 7 | 36/35 | [2 2 -1 -1⟩ | 48.77 | Rugu | Mint comma, septimal quarter tone |
| 7 | 525/512 | [-9 1 2 1⟩ | 43.41 | Lazoyoyo | Avicennma |
| 7 | 49/48 | [-4 -1 0 2⟩ | 35.70 | Zozo | Semaphoresma, slendro diesis |
| 7 | 686/675 | [1 -3 -2 3⟩ | 27.99 | Trizo-agugu | Senga |
| 7 | 2430/2401 | [1 5 1 -4⟩ | 20.79 | Quadru-ayo | Nuwell comma |
| 7 | 1728/1715 | [6 3 -1 -3⟩ | 13.07 | Triru-agu | Orwellisma |
| 7 | 225/224 | [-5 2 2 -1⟩ | 7.71 | Ruyoyo | Marvel comma |
| 7 | 6144/6125 | [11 1 -3 -2⟩ | 5.36 | Sarurutrigu | Porwell comma |
| 7 | 65625/65536 | [-16 1 5 1⟩ | 2.35 | Lazoquinyo | Horwell comma |
| 7 | (16 digits) | [-11 -9 0 9⟩ | 1.84 | Tritrizo | Septimal ennealimma |
| 11 | 99/98 | [-1 2 0 -2 1⟩ | 17.58 | Loruru | Mothwellsma |
| 11 | 121/120 | [-3 -1 -1 0 2⟩ | 14.37 | Lologu | Biyatisma |
| 11 | 176/175 | [4 0 -2 -1 1⟩ | 9.86 | Lorugugu | Valinorsma |
| 11 | 385/384 | [-7 -1 1 1 1⟩ | 4.50 | Lozoyo | Keenanisma |
| 11 | 540/539 | [2 3 1 -2 -1⟩ | 3.21 | Lururuyo | Swetisma |
| 13 | 91/90 | [-1 -2 -1 1 0 1⟩ | 19.13 | Thozogu | Superleap comma, biome comma |
| 13 | 676/675 | [2 -3 -2 0 0 2⟩ | 2.56 | Bithogu | Island comma |
Rank-2 temperaments
9edo contains a pentatonic mos scale produced by stacking 4/9 of 2L 3s (1 3 1 3 1), which has a heptatonic extension, 2L 5s (1 1 2 1 1 2 1, sometimes called "mavila" or "antidiatonic").
Indonesian pelog scales sometimes use five-tone subsets of a seven-tone superset in a similar way, and it has been suggested that Indonesian gamelan music stems from a 9edo tradition. You can also use the 2/9, which generates mos scales of 1L 3s (3 2 2 2) and 4L 1s (2 2 2 2 1) and can be interpreted as either an extremely sharp bug scale or an extremely flat orwell one.
Historical (and other) relevance
As a division of the octave into 32 parts, i. e. a dominant position of the number 3, also suggest 9edo's suitability as base tuning for Klingon music (since the tradtional Klingon number system is also based on 3). See, for this:
Levi McClain, Klingon music theory is weird
Diagrams
Instruments
Ukulele (MicroUke 1.2) set to 9edo with 40 lb. test fishing line (by cenobyte)
Music
Ear training
Notes
- ↑ Ratios longer than 10 digits are presented by placeholders with informative hints.