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Revision as of 23:59, 25 February 2025
A major third is an interval that is near 400 cents in size, distinct from the minor third of roughly 300 cents. A rough tuning range for the major third is about 360 to 460 cents, though this is extremely wide; some might prefer to restrict it to around 370-440 cents as in Schulter's theory of interval regions. Flat of major thirds (but sharp of minor thirds) are neutral thirds.
"Major third" refers both to the ~370-450 cent range as a whole, and to a specific subdivision within it (about ~370-415 cents); major thirds sharp of this are often called "supermajor thirds".
"Major third" may also refer to the diatonic major third, which is an interval generated by stacking 4 fifths and is not the subject of this article.
In just intonation
3-limit intervals in the range of major thirds include the Pythagorean major third of 81/64, about 408 cents in size, which corresponds to the MOS-based interval category of the diatonic major third and is generated by stacking four just perfect fifths of 3/2, and the Pythagorean diminished fourth of 8192/6561, which is flat of 81/64 by one Pythagorean comma, and is about 384 cents in size.
Much simpler major thirds exist in higher limits, however, for example:
- The 5-limit classical major third is a ratio of 5/4, and is about 386 cents.
- The 7-limit supermajor third is a ratio of 9/7, and is about 435 cents.
- The 11-limit neogothic major third is a ratio of 14/11, and is about 418 cents.
- The 13-limit ultramajor third is a ratio of 13/10, and is about 454 cents.
- There is also a 13-limit submajor third, which is a ratio of 26/21, and is about 370 cents.
- The 17-limit submajor third is a ratio of 21/17, and is about 366 cents.
In EDOs
The following table lists the best tuning of 5/4 and 9/7, as well as other major thirds if present, in various significant EDOs.
| EDO | 5/4 | 9/7 | Other major thirds |
|---|---|---|---|
| 12 | 400c | ||
| 15 | 400c | ** | |
| 16 | 375c | 450c | |
| 17 | *** | 424c | |
| 19 | 379c | 442c | |
| 20 | 360c | 420c | |
| 22 | 382c | 436c | |
| 24 | 400c | 450c | |
| 25 | 384c | 432c | |
| 26 | 369c | 415c | |
| 27 | 400c | 444c | |
| 28 | 386c | 428c | |
| 29 | 372c | 455c | 414c ≈ 81/64, 14/11 |
| 31 | 388c | 426c | |
| 32 | 375c | 450c | 413c ≈ 14/11 |
| 34 | 388c | 424c | 459c ≈ 13/10 |
| 41 | 381c | 439c | 410c ≈ 81/64 |
| 53 | 385c | 430c | 362c ≈ 21/17, 408c ≈ 81/64, 452c ≈ 13/10 |
** These edos have an approximation to 9/7, but it's sharper than 460 cents, not really a major third.
*** These edos have an approximation to 5/4, but it's flatter than 360 cents, not really a major third.
In regular temperaments
The two simplest major 3rd ratios are 5/4 and 9/7. The following notable temperaments are generated by them:
Temperaments that use 5/4 as a generator
- Magic, which generates 3/2 by stacking five 5/4s (octave-reduced).
- Father, a very inaccurate temperament which equates 4/3 and 5/4 as a single "fourth-third" interval
- Dicot, a somewhat inaccurate temperament which equates 5/4 and 6/5, tempering out the chromatic semitone that usually separates them
Temperaments that use 9/7 as a generator
- TBD