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Major and minor triads refer to [[triad]]s containing a [[perfect fifth|fifth]] alongside a [[major third|major]] and [[minor third]] respectively.  
Major and minor triads refer to [[triad]]s containing a [[perfect fifth|fifth]] alongside a [[major third|major]] and [[minor third]] respectively.  


== Approaches ==
== In tempered scales ==
In just intonation, [[4:5:6]] and [[10:12:15]] are the canonical tunings for the major and minor triads. Major and minor triads may also be tuned to simple [[7-limit|septimal]] intervals, for example, to [[14:18:21]] and [[6:7:9]].


In diatonic scales, "major third" and "minor third" are precisely defined intervals corresponding to [[81/64]] and [[32/27]] in [[Pythagorean tuning]], but generated by a tempered fifth.
In [[5L 2s|diatonic scales]], "major third" and "minor third" are precisely defined intervals corresponding to [[81/64]] and [[32/27]] in [[Pythagorean tuning]], but generated by a tempered fifth.


* In [[12edo]], major is 400c and minor is 300c.
* In [[12edo]], major is 400c and minor is 300c.
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In terms of mediants, minor triads tend to range between a [[mediant (tonality)|mediant]] of 37% and 47%, and major triads tend to range between 53% and 63%, corresponding to simple [[5-limit]] or septimal intervals. More extreme than major and minor are [[Extraclassical tonality|tendo and arto]], corresponding to [[interseptimal]] and [[13-limit|tridecimal]] intervals, and ultimately suspended, corresponding to simple [[3-limit]] intervals; less extreme than major and minor are neutral triads.
In terms of mediants, minor triads tend to range between a [[mediant (tonality)|mediant]] of 37% and 47%, and major triads tend to range between 53% and 63%, corresponding to simple [[5-limit]] or septimal intervals. More extreme than major and minor are [[Extraclassical tonality|tendo and arto]], corresponding to [[interseptimal]] and [[13-limit|tridecimal]] intervals, and ultimately suspended, corresponding to simple [[3-limit]] intervals; less extreme than major and minor are neutral triads.
== In just intonation ==
In [[just intonation]], [[4:5:6]] and [[10:12:15]] are the canonical tunings for the major and minor triads. Major and minor triads may also be tuned to simple [[7-limit|septimal]] intervals, for example, to [[14:18:21]] and [[6:7:9]]. Further details lie below.
=== Simple major triads ===
In the 7-limit:
* [[14:18:21]], a ''supermajor triad'',  is a [[9-odd-limit]] chord that tunes the third sharper than the 5-limit major.
In the 5-limit:
* [[4:5:6]] is found on the I ({{Frac|1|1}}), IV ({{Frac|4|3}}), and V ({{Frac|3|2}}) of Ptolemy's intense diatonic scale ([[Zarlino]]).
In the 3-limit:
* [[64:81:96]] is found on the I, IV, and V of the Pythagorean [[5L 2s|diatonic scale]].
== Simple minor triads ==
A '''minor triad''' is a [[triad]] comprising a root, [[minor]] third, and fifth.
In the [[7-limit]]:
* [[6:7:9]], a ''subminor triad'', is a [[9-odd-limit]] chord that tunes the third flatter than the 5-limit minor.
In the [[5-limit]]:
* [[10:12:15]] is found on the iii ({{Frac|5|4}}) and vi ({{Frac|5|3}}) of Ptolemy's intense diatonic scale ([[Zarlino]]), perhaps the most common 5-limit diatonic.
* [[27:32:40]] is found on the ii ({{Frac|9|8}}) of Ptolemy's intense diatonic scale.
In the [[3-limit]]:
* [[54:64:81]] is found on the ii ({{Frac|9|8}}), iii ({{Frac|81|64}}), and vi ({{Frac|27|16}}) of the Pythagorean diatonic scale.


== SCL files ==
== SCL files ==

Revision as of 14:04, 23 February 2025

Major and minor triads refer to triads containing a fifth alongside a major and minor third respectively.

In tempered scales

In diatonic scales, "major third" and "minor third" are precisely defined intervals corresponding to 81/64 and 32/27 in Pythagorean tuning, but generated by a tempered fifth.

  • In 12edo, major is 400c and minor is 300c.
  • In 19edo, major is 379c and minor is 316c.
  • In 22edo, major is 436c and minor is 273c.
  • If we pretend that 16edo's fifth generates a diatonic scale, this places major at 300c and minor at 375c, leading to the controversial "harmonic notation" of 16edo.

In terms of mediants, minor triads tend to range between a mediant of 37% and 47%, and major triads tend to range between 53% and 63%, corresponding to simple 5-limit or septimal intervals. More extreme than major and minor are tendo and arto, corresponding to interseptimal and tridecimal intervals, and ultimately suspended, corresponding to simple 3-limit intervals; less extreme than major and minor are neutral triads.

In just intonation

In just intonation, 4:5:6 and 10:12:15 are the canonical tunings for the major and minor triads. Major and minor triads may also be tuned to simple septimal intervals, for example, to 14:18:21 and 6:7:9. Further details lie below.

Simple major triads

In the 7-limit:

  • 14:18:21, a supermajor triad, is a 9-odd-limit chord that tunes the third sharper than the 5-limit major.

In the 5-limit:

  • 4:5:6 is found on the I (11), IV (43), and V (32) of Ptolemy's intense diatonic scale (Zarlino).

In the 3-limit:

Simple minor triads

A minor triad is a triad comprising a root, minor third, and fifth.

In the 7-limit:

  • 6:7:9, a subminor triad, is a 9-odd-limit chord that tunes the third flatter than the 5-limit minor.

In the 5-limit:

  • 10:12:15 is found on the iii (54) and vi (53) of Ptolemy's intense diatonic scale (Zarlino), perhaps the most common 5-limit diatonic.
  • 27:32:40 is found on the ii (98) of Ptolemy's intense diatonic scale.

In the 3-limit:

  • 54:64:81 is found on the ii (98), iii (8164), and vi (2716) of the Pythagorean diatonic scale.

SCL files

.SCL files for the classical major and minor triads are provided below

! majortriad.scl
!
The major triad as a wakalix
! Fokblock([25/24, 16/15], [1, 0]) = Fokblock([25/24, 10/9], [2, 0]) = Fokblock([16/15, 10/9], [0, 1])
3
!
5/4
3/2
2/1

! minortriad.scl ! The minor triad as a wakalix ! Fokblock([25/24, 16/15], [0, 0]) = Fokblock([25/24, 10/9], [1, 0]) = Fokblock([16/15, 10/9], [1, 0]) 3 ! 6/5 3/2

2/1