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A variant of porcupine [[support]]ed in 29edo is [[nautilus]], which splits the porcupine generator in half (tempering out 49:48 in the process), thus resulting in a different mapping for 7 than standard porcupine. Nautilus also extends to the 13-limit much more easily than does standard porcupine.
A variant of porcupine [[support]]ed in 29edo is [[nautilus]], which splits the porcupine generator in half (tempering out 49:48 in the process), thus resulting in a different mapping for 7 than standard porcupine. Nautilus also extends to the 13-limit much more easily than does standard porcupine.


The MOS nautilus[14] contains both "even" tetrads (approximating 4:5:6:7 or its inverse) as well as "odd" tetrads (approximating the "Bohlen-Pierce-like" chord 9:11:13:15, or its inverse). Both types are recognizable and consonant, if somewhat heavily tempered. Moreover, one of the four types of tetrads may be built on '''each''' scale degree of nautilus[14], thus there are as many chords as there are notes, so nautilus[14] has a "circulating" quality to it with as much freedom of modulation as possible. To be exact, there are 4 "major-even", 4 "minor-even", 3 "major-odd", and 3 "minor-odd" chords.
The mos Nautilus[14] contains both "even" tetrads (approximating 4:5:6:7 or its inverse) as well as "odd" tetrads (approximating the "Bohlen-Pierce-like" chord 9:11:13:15, or its inverse). Both types are recognizable and consonant, if somewhat heavily tempered. Moreover, one of the four types of tetrads may be built on ''each'' scale degree of Nautilus[14], thus there are as many chords as there are notes, so Nautilus[14] has a "circulating" quality to it with as much freedom of modulation as possible. To be exact, there are 4 "major-even", 4 "minor-even", 3 "major-odd", and 3 "minor-odd" chords.


[[File:Nautilus14_29edo.mp3]]
[[File:Nautilus14_29edo.mp3]]
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Nautilus[14] scale (Lsssssssssssss) in 29edo
Nautilus[14] scale (Lsssssssssssss) in 29edo


Fourteen-note MOSes are worth looking at because taking every other note of them gives a heptatonic, and in many cases diatonic-like, scale. Nautilus[14] is no exception; although the resulting porcupine "diatonic" scale sounds somewhat different from diatonic scales generated from fifths, it can still provide some degree of familiarity. Furthermore, every diatonic chord progression will have at least one loose analogue in nautilus[14], although the chord types might change (for instance, it is possible to have a I-IV-V chord progression where the I is major-odd, and the IV and V are both major-even; the V in this case being on a narrow or "odd" fifth rather than a perfect or "even" fifth).
14-note mosses are worth looking at because taking every other note of them gives a heptatonic, and in many cases diatonic-like, scale. Nautilus[14] is no exception; although the resulting porcupine "diatonic" scale sounds somewhat different from diatonic scales generated from fifths, it can still provide some degree of familiarity. Furthermore, every diatonic chord progression will have at least one loose analogue in Nautilus[14], although the chord types might change (for instance, it is possible to have a I–IV–V chord progression where the I is major-odd, and the IV and V are both major-even; the V in this case being on a narrow or "odd" fifth rather than a perfect or "even" fifth).


The fact that the generator size is also a step size means that nautilus makes a good candidate for a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalized_keyboard generalized keyboard]; the fingering of nautilus[14] becomes very simple as a result, perhaps even simpler than with traditional keyboards, despite there being more notes.
The fact that the generator size is also a step size means that nautilus makes a good candidate for a {{w|generalized keyboard}}; the fingering of Nautilus[14] becomes very simple as a result, perhaps even simpler than with traditional keyboards, despite there being more notes.


If one can tolerate the tuning error (which is roughly equal to that of 12edo, albeit in the opposite direction for the 5- and 7-limits), this tetradecatonic scale is worth exploring. 29edo is often neglected since it falls so close to the much more popular and well-studied 31edo, but 29 does have its own advantages, and this is one of them.
If one can tolerate the tuning error (which is roughly equal to that of 12edo, albeit in the opposite direction for the 5- and 7-limits), this tetradecatonic scale is worth exploring. 29edo is often neglected since it falls so close to the much more popular and well-studied 31edo, but 29 does have its own advantages, and this is one of them.
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29edo is not a meantone system, but it could nonetheless be used as a basis for common-practice music if one considers the superfourth as a consonant, alternative type of fourth, and the 11:13:16 as an alternative type of consonant "doubly minor" triad. We can then use a diatonic scale such as 5435453 (which resembles Didymus' 5-limit JI diatonic scale, but with the syntonic comma being exaggerated in size). This scale has a very similar harmonic structure to a meantone diatonic scale, except that one of its minor triads is doubly-minor.
29edo is not a meantone system, but it could nonetheless be used as a basis for common-practice music if one considers the superfourth as a consonant, alternative type of fourth, and the 11:13:16 as an alternative type of consonant "doubly minor" triad. We can then use a diatonic scale such as 5435453 (which resembles Didymus' 5-limit JI diatonic scale, but with the syntonic comma being exaggerated in size). This scale has a very similar harmonic structure to a meantone diatonic scale, except that one of its minor triads is doubly-minor.


Such a scale could be called "[[nicetone]]" as a play on meantone. Since it preserves most of the same 5-limit relationships, nicetone is only slightly xenharmonic (in contrast to [[Superpyth|superpyth]], which is quite blatantly so). The fact that 29edo's superfourth is within a cent of 15:11, and its 13:11 is within half a cent of a just 13:11, are both happy accidents. One just has to make sure that one is using a timbre that allows these higher-limit harmonic relationships to sound apparent and consonant enough to substitute for their simpler counterparts. The nicetone scale is also the cradle of the superdiatonic scales 522352253 and 3243324323 in between the [[leapfrog]] diatonic and chromatic scales.
Such a scale could be called "[[Nicetone]]" as a play on meantone. Since it preserves most of the same 5-limit relationships, nicetone is only slightly xenharmonic (in contrast to [[Superpyth|superpyth]], which is quite blatantly so). The fact that 29edo's superfourth is within a cent of 15:11, and its 13:11 is within half a cent of a just 13:11, are both happy accidents. One just has to make sure that one is using a timbre that allows these higher-limit harmonic relationships to sound apparent and consonant enough to substitute for their simpler counterparts. The nicetone scale is also the cradle of the superdiatonic scales 522352253 and 3243324323 in between the [[leapfrog]] diatonic and chromatic scales.


[[File:29edoNicetone.mp3]]
[[File:29edoNicetone.mp3]]