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== Orson ==
== Orson ==
'''Orson''', first discovered by [[Erv Wilson]], is the [[5-limit]] temperament tempering out the semicomma. It has a [[generator]] of [[75/64]], which is sharper than [[7/6]] by [[225/224]] when untempered, and less sharp than that in any good orson tempering, for example [[53edo|53EDO]] or [[84edo|84EDO]]. These give tunings to the generator which are sharp of 7/6 by less than five [[cent]]s, making it hard to treat orson as anything other than an (at least) 7-limit system, leading to orwell.
'''Orson''', first discovered by [[Erv Wilson]], is the [[5-limit]] temperament tempering out the semicomma. It has a [[generator]] of [[75/64]], which is sharper than [[7/6]] by [[225/224]] when untempered, and less sharp than that in any good orson tempering, for example [[53edo]] or [[84edo]]. These give tunings to the generator which are sharp of 7/6 by less than five [[cent]]s, making it hard to treat orson as anything other than an (at least) 7-limit system, leading to orwell.


Subgroup: 2.3.5
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5


[[Comma list]]: 2109375/2097152
[[Comma list]]: 2109375/2097152


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 0 3 }}, {{val| 0 7 -3 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 3 | 0 7 -3 }}


[[POTE generator]]: ~75/64 = 271.627
: mapping generators: ~2, ~75/64
 
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~75/64 = 271.627


[[Tuning ranges]]:
[[Tuning ranges]]:
* 5-odd-limit [[diamond monotone]]: ~75/64 = [257.143, 276.923] (3\14 to 3\13)
* 5-odd-limit [[diamond monotone]]: ~75/64 = [257.143, 276.923] (3\14 to 3\13)
* 5-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~75/64 = [271.229, 271.708]
* 5-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~75/64 = [271.229, 271.708] (1/3-comma to 2/7-comma)
* 5-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~75/64 = [271.229, 271.708]
* 5-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~75/64 = [271.229, 271.708]


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[[Badness]]: 0.040807
[[Badness]]: 0.040807


=== Seven limit children ===
=== Overview to extensions ===
The second comma of the [[Normal lists #Normal interval list|normal comma list]] defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Adding 65625/65536 (or 225/224) leads to orwell, but we could also add
The second comma of the [[Normal lists #Normal interval list|normal comma list]] defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Adding 65625/65536 (or 225/224) leads to orwell, but we could also add
* 1029/1024, leading to the 31&159 temperament (triwell) with wedgie {{multival| 21 -9 -7 -63 -70 9 }}, or
* 1029/1024, leading to the 31&159 temperament (triwell) with wedgie {{multival| 21 -9 -7 -63 -70 9 }}, or
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== Orwell ==
== Orwell ==
{{main| Orwell }}
{{Main| Orwell }}


So called because 19\84 (as a [[fraction of the octave]]) is a possible generator of this temperament, orwell divides the interval of a twelfth (a tempered 3/1 frequency ratio) into 7 equal steps. It's compatible with [[22edo|22]], [[31edo|31]], [[53edo|53]] and [[84edo|84]] equal, and may be described as the 22&31 temperament, or {{multival| 7 -3 8 -21 -7 27 }}. It's a good system in the [[7-limit]] and naturally extends into the [[11-limit]]. [[84edo|84EDO]], with the 19\84 generator, provides a good tuning for the 5, 7 and 11 limits, but it does use its second-best 11. However, the 19\84 generator is remarkably close to the 11-limit [[POTE tuning]], as the generator is only 0.0024 cents sharper, and it is a good approximation to the 7-limit POTE generator also; hence 84 may be considered the most recommendable tuning in the 7-limit. [[53edo|53EDO]] might be preferred in the 5-limit because of its nearly pure fifth and in the 11-limit because of it slightly better 11, though most of its 11-limit harmony is actually worse. Aside from the semicomma and 65625/65536, 7-limit orwell tempers out [[2430/2401]], the nuwell comma, [[1728/1715]], the orwellisma, [[225/224]], the septimal kleisma, and [[6144/6125]], the porwell comma.
So called because 19\84 (as a fraction of the octave) is a possible generator of this temperament, orwell divides the interval of a twelfth (a tempered 3/1 frequency ratio) into 7 equal steps. It is compatible with [[22edo|22]], [[31edo|31]], [[53edo|53]] and [[84edo|84]] equal, and may be described as the 22 & 31 temperament. It is a good system in the [[7-limit]] and naturally extends into the [[11-limit]]. [[84edo]], with the 19\84 generator, provides a good tuning for the 5-, 7- and 11-limit, but it does use its second-closest approximation to 11. However, the 19\84 generator is remarkably close to the 11-limit [[POTE tuning]], as the generator is only 0.0024 cents sharper, and it is a good approximation to the 7-limit POTE generator also; hence 84 may be considered the most recommendable tuning in the 7-limit. [[53edo]] might be preferred in the 5-limit because of its nearly pure fifth and in the 11-limit because of it slightly better 11, though most of its 11-limit harmony is actually worse. Aside from the semicomma and 65625/65536, 7-limit orwell tempers out [[2430/2401]], the nuwell comma, [[1728/1715]], the orwellisma, [[225/224]], the septimal kleisma, and [[6144/6125]], the porwell comma.


The 11-limit version of orwell tempers out 99/98, which means that two of its sharpened 7/6 generators give a flattened 11/8, as well as 121/120, 176/175, 385/384 and 540/539. Despite lowered tuning accuracy, orwell comes into its own in the 11-limit, giving acceptable accuracy and relatively low complexity. Tempering out the orwellisma, 1728/1715, means that orwell interprets three stacked 7/6 generators as an 8/5, and the tempered 1-7/6-11/8-8/5 chord is natural to orwell.
The 11-limit version of orwell tempers out [[99/98]], which means that two of its sharpened 7/6 generators give a flattened 11/8, as well as 121/120, 176/175, 385/384 and 540/539. Despite lowered tuning accuracy, orwell comes into its own in the 11-limit, giving acceptable accuracy and relatively low complexity. Tempering out the orwellisma, 1728/1715, means that orwell interprets three stacked 7/6 generators as an 8/5, and the tempered 1-7/6-11/8-8/5 chord is natural to orwell.


Orwell has MOS of size 9, 13, 22 and 31. The 9-note MOS is small enough to be retained in the mind as a genuine scale, is pleasing melodically, and has [[Retuning_12edo_to_Orwell9|considerable harmonic resources]] despite its absence of 5-limit triads. The 13 note MOS has those, and of course the 22 and 31 note MOS are very well supplied with everything.
Orwell has [[mos scale]]s of size 9, 13, 22 and 31. The 9-note mos is small enough to be retained in the mind as a genuine scale, is pleasing melodically, and has [[Retuning 12edo to Orwell9|considerable harmonic resources]] despite its absence of 5-limit triads. The 13-note mos has those, and of course the 22- and 31-note mos are very well supplied with everything.


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 225/224, 1728/1715
[[Comma list]]: 225/224, 1728/1715


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 0 3 1 }}, {{val| 0 7 -3 8 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 3 1 | 0 7 -3 8 }}


{{Multival|legend=1| 7 -3 8 -21 -7 27 }}
{{Multival|legend=1| 7 -3 8 -21 -7 27 }}


[[POTE generator]]: ~7/6 = 271.509
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~7/6 = 271.509


[[Minimax tuning]]:
[[Minimax tuning]]:
* [[7-odd-limit]]: ~7/6 = {{monzo| 2/11 0 -1/11 1/11 }}
* [[7-odd-limit]]: ~7/6 = {{monzo| 2/11 0 -1/11 1/11 }}
: [{{monzo| 1 0 0 0 }}, {{monzo| 14/11 0 -7/11 7/11 }}, {{monzo| 27/11 0 3/11 -3/11 }}, {{monzo| 27/11 0 -8/11 8/11 }}]
: {{monzo list| 1 0 0 0 | 14/11 0 -7/11 7/11 | 27/11 0 3/11 -3/11 | 27/11 0 -8/11 8/11 }}
: [[Eigenmonzo]]s (unchanged-intervals): 2, 7/5
: [[Eigenmonzo basis|eigenmonzo (unchanged-interval) basis]]: 2.7/5
* 9-odd-limit: ~7/6 = {{monzo| 3/17 2/17 -1/17 }}
* 9-odd-limit: ~7/6 = {{monzo| 3/17 2/17 -1/17 }}
: [{{monzo| 1 0 0 0 }}, {{monzo| 21/17 14/17 -7/17 0 }}, {{monzo| 42/17 -6/17 3/17 0 }}, {{monzo| 41/17 16/17 -8/17 0 }}]
: {{monzo list| 1 0 0 0 | 21/17 14/17 -7/17 0 | 42/17 -6/17 3/17 0 | 41/17 16/17 -8/17 0 }}
: [[Eigenmonzo]]s (unchanged-intervals): 2, 10/9
: [[Eigenmonzo basis|eigenmonzo (unchanged-interval) basis]]: 2.9/5


[[Tuning ranges]]:
[[Tuning ranges]]:
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Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175
Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175


Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 3 1 3 }}, {{val| 0 7 -3 8 2 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 3 1 3 | 0 7 -3 8 2 }}


POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.426
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~7/6 = 271.426


Minimax tuning:
Minimax tuning:
* 11-odd-limit: ~7/6 = {{monzo| 2/11 0 -1/11 1/11 }}
* 11-odd-limit: ~7/6 = {{monzo| 2/11 0 -1/11 1/11 }}
: [{{monzo| 1 0 0 0 0 }}, {{monzo| 14/11 0 -7/11 7/11 0 }}, {{monzo| 27/11 0 3/11 -3/11 0 }}, {{monzo| 27/11 0 -8/11 8/11 0 }}, {{monzo| 37/11 0 -2/11 2/11 0 }}]
: [{{monzo| 1 0 0 0 0 }}, {{monzo| 14/11 0 -7/11 7/11 0 }}, {{monzo| 27/11 0 3/11 -3/11 0 }}, {{monzo| 27/11 0 -8/11 8/11 0 }}, {{monzo| 37/11 0 -2/11 2/11 0 }}]
: Eigenmonzos (unchanged-intervals): 2, 7/5
: Eigenmonzo (unchanged-interval) basis: 2.7/5


Tuning ranges:
Tuning ranges:
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Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175, 275/273
Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175, 275/273


Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 3 1 3 8 }}, {{val| 0 7 -3 8 2 -19 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 3 1 3 8 | 0 7 -3 8 2 -19 }}


POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.546
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~7/6 = 271.546


Tuning ranges:
Tuning ranges:
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Comma list: 65/64, 78/77, 91/90, 99/98
Comma list: 65/64, 78/77, 91/90, 99/98


Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 3 1 3 3 }}, {{val| 0 7 -3 8 2 3 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 3 1 3 3 | 0 7 -3 8 2 3 }}


POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.301
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~7/6 = 271.301


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 9, 22, 31f }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 9, 22, 31f }}
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Comma list: 66/65, 99/98, 105/104, 121/120
Comma list: 66/65, 99/98, 105/104, 121/120


Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 3 1 3 1 }}, {{val| 0 7 -3 8 2 12 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 3 1 3 1 | 0 7 -3 8 2 12 }}


POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.088
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~7/6 = 271.088


Tuning ranges:
Tuning ranges:
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Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 169/168, 176/175
Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 169/168, 176/175


Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 3 1 3 2 }}, {{val| 0 14 -6 16 4 15 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 3 1 3 2 | 0 14 -6 16 4 15 }}


POTE generator: ~13/12 = 135.723
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~13/12 = 135.723


Tuning ranges:
Tuning ranges:
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Comma list: 225/224, 441/440, 1728/1715
Comma list: 225/224, 441/440, 1728/1715


Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 3 1 -4 }}, {{val| 0 7 -3 8 33 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 3 1 -4 | 0 7 -3 8 33 }}


POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.288
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~7/6 = 271.288


Tuning ranges:
Tuning ranges:
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Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 1728/1715
Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 1728/1715


Mapping: [{{val| 1 7 0 9 17 }}, {{val| 0 -14 6 -16 -35 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 7 0 9 17 | 0 -14 6 -16 -35 }}


POTE generator: ~55/36 = 735.752
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~55/36 = 735.752


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 31, 106, 137, 442bd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 31, 106, 137, 442bd }}
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== Sabric ==
== Sabric ==
The ''sabric'' temperament (53&190) tempers out the [[4375/4374|ragisma]], 4375/4374. It is so named because it is closely related to the '''Sabra2 tuning''' (generator: 271.607278 cents).
The sabric temperament (53 & 190) tempers out the [[4375/4374|ragisma (4375/4374)]]. It is so named because it is closely related to the ''Sabra2 tuning'' (generator: 271.607278 cents).


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 4375/4374, 2109375/2097152
[[Comma list]]: 4375/4374, 2109375/2097152


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 0 3 -11 }}, {{val| 0 7 -3 61 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 3 -11 | 0 7 -3 61 }}


{{Multival|legend=1| 7 -3 61 -21 77 150 }}
{{Multival|legend=1| 7 -3 61 -21 77 150 }}


[[POTE generator]]: ~75/64 = 271.607
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~75/64 = 271.607


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 53, 137d, 190, 243 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 53, 137d, 190, 243 }}
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== Triwell ==
== Triwell ==
The triwell temperament (31&159) slices orwell major sixth ~128/75 into three generators, nine of which give the fifth harmonic.
The triwell temperament (31 & 159) slices orwell major sixth ~128/75 into three generators, nine of which give the fifth harmonic.


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 1029/1024, 235298/234375
[[Comma list]]: 1029/1024, 235298/234375


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 7 0 1 }}, {{val| 0 -21 9 7 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 7 0 1 | 0 -21 9 7 }}


{{Multival|legend=1| 21 -9 -7 -63 -70 9 }}
{{Multival|legend=1| 21 -9 -7 -63 -70 9 }}


[[POTE generator]]: ~448/375 = 309.472
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~448/375 = 309.472


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 31, 97, 128, 159, 190 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 31, 97, 128, 159, 190 }}
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Comma list: 385/384, 441/440, 456533/455625
Comma list: 385/384, 441/440, 456533/455625


Mapping: [{{val| 1 7 0 1 13 }}, {{val| 0 -21 9 7 -37 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 7 0 1 13 | 0 -21 9 7 -37 }}


POTE generator: ~448/375 = 309.471
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~448/375 = 309.471


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 31, 97, 128, 159, 190 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 31, 97, 128, 159, 190 }}
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The ''quadrawell'' temperament (31&212) has an [[8/7]] generator of about 232 cents, twelve of which give the fifth harmonic.
The ''quadrawell'' temperament (31&212) has an [[8/7]] generator of about 232 cents, twelve of which give the fifth harmonic.


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 2401/2400, 2109375/2097152
[[Comma list]]: 2401/2400, 2109375/2097152


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 7 0 3 }}, {{val| 0 -28 12 -1 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 7 0 3 | 0 -28 12 -1 }}


{{Multival|legend=1| 28 -12 1 -84 -77 36 }}
{{Multival|legend=1| 28 -12 1 -84 -77 36 }}


[[POTE generator]]: ~8/7 = 232.094
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~8/7 = 232.094


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 31, 119, 150, 181, 212, 243, 698cd, 941cd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 31, 119, 150, 181, 212, 243, 698cd, 941cd }}
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Comma list: 385/384, 1375/1372, 14641/14580
Comma list: 385/384, 1375/1372, 14641/14580


Mapping: [{{val| 1 7 0 3 11 }}, {{val| 0 -28 12 -1 -39}}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 7 0 3 11 | 0 -28 12 -1 -39 }}


POTE generator: ~8/7 = 232.083
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~8/7 = 232.083


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 31, 119, 150, 181, 212, 455ee, 667cdee }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 31, 119, 150, 181, 212, 455ee, 667cdee }}
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== Rainwell ==
== Rainwell ==
The ''rainwell'' temperament (31&265) tempers out the mirkwai comma, 16875/16807 and the [[rainy comma]], 2100875/2097152.
The ''rainwell'' temperament (31 & 265) tempers out the mirkwai comma, 16875/16807 and the [[rainy comma]], 2100875/2097152.


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 16875/16807, 2100875/2097152
[[Comma list]]: 16875/16807, 2100875/2097152


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 14 -3 6 }}, {{val| 0 -35 15 -9 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 14 -3 6 | 0 -35 15 -9 }}


{{Multival|legend=1| 35 -15 9 -105 -84 63 }}
{{Multival|legend=1| 35 -15 9 -105 -84 63 }}


[[POTE generator]]: ~2625/2048 = 425.673
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~2625/2048 = 425.673


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 31, 172, 203, 234, 265, 296 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 31, 172, 203, 234, 265, 296 }}
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Comma list: 540/539, 1375/1372, 2100875/2097152
Comma list: 540/539, 1375/1372, 2100875/2097152


Mapping: [{{val| 1 14 -3 6 29 }}, {{val| 0 -35 15 -9 -72 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 14 -3 6 29 | 0 -35 15 -9 -72 }}


POTE generator: ~2625/2048 = 425.679
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~2625/2048 = 425.679


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 31, 172e, 203e, 234, 265, 296, 919bc, 1215bcc, 1511bcc }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 31, 172e, 203e, 234, 265, 296, 919bc, 1215bcc, 1511bcc }}
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== Quinwell ==
== Quinwell ==
The ''quinwell'' temperament (22&243) slices orwell minor third into five generators and tempers out the wizma, 420175/419904.
The quinwell temperament (22 & 243) slices orwell minor third into five generators and tempers out the wizma, 420175/419904.


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 420175/419904, 2109375/2097152
[[Comma list]]: 420175/419904, 2109375/2097152


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 0 3 0 }}, {{val| 0 35 -15 62 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 3 0 | 0 35 -15 62 }}


{{Multival|legend=1| 35 -15 62 -105 0 186 }}
{{Multival|legend=1| 35 -15 62 -105 0 186 }}


[[POTE generator]]: ~405/392 = 54.324
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~405/392 = 54.324


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22, 221, 243, 751c, 994cd, 1237bccd, 1480bccd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22, 221, 243, 751c, 994cd, 1237bccd, 1480bccd }}
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Comma list: 540/539, 4375/4356, 2109375/2097152
Comma list: 540/539, 4375/4356, 2109375/2097152


Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 3 0 5 }}, {{val| 0 35 -15 62 -34 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 3 0 5 | 0 35 -15 62 -34 }}


POTE generator: ~33/32 = 54.334
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~33/32 = 54.334


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22, 221, 243, 265, 773ce, 1038ccee, 1303ccee }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22, 221, 243, 265, 773ce, 1038ccee, 1303ccee }}
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Comma list: 385/384, 24057/24010, 43923/43750
Comma list: 385/384, 24057/24010, 43923/43750


Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 3 0 4 }}, {{val| 0 35 -15 62 -12 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 3 0 4 | 0 35 -15 62 -12 }}


POTE generator: ~405/392 = 54.316
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~405/392 = 54.316


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22, 199d, 221e, 243e }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22, 199d, 221e, 243e }}