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The 5-limit parent comma for the '''schismatic''' (or '''schismic''') '''family''' is the [[schisma]] of 32805/32768, which is the amount by which the [[Pythagorean comma]] exceeds the [[Didymus comma]] (81/80), or alternatively put, the difference between a just major third and a Pythagorean diminished fourth. Its [[monzo]] is {{monzo| -15 8 1 }}, and flipping that yields {{multival| 1 -8 -15 }} for the [[wedgie]]. This tells us the generator is a fifth and [[5/4]] is represented by a diminished fourth. In fact, 10 = (4/3)<sup>8</sup> × 32805/32768.
The 5-limit parent comma for the '''schismatic''' (or '''schismic''') '''family''' is the [[schisma]] of 32805/32768, which is the amount by which the [[Pythagorean comma]] exceeds the [[Didymus comma]] (81/80), or alternatively put, the difference between a [[5/4|just major third]] and a [[8192/6561|Pythagorean diminished fourth]]. Its [[monzo]] is {{monzo| -15 8 1 }}, and flipping that yields {{multival| 1 -8 -15 }} for the [[wedgie]]. This tells us the generator is a fifth and 5/4 is represented by a diminished fourth.  
 
This defies the tradition of tertian harmony, as the just major triad on C is C-Fb-G, for example. One may want to adopt an additional module of accidentals such as arrows to represent the comma step, allowing them to write the chord above as C-vE-G.  


== Schismatic aka helmholtz ==
== Schismatic aka helmholtz ==
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{{Main| Garibaldi temperament }}
{{Main| Garibaldi temperament }}


Garibaldi tempers out the [[garischisma]], equating the [[septimal comma]] with both the [[syntonic comma]] and the [[Pythagorean comma]]. The 7/4 is found at -14 fifths, represented by the double diminished octave (C-Cbb). It necessitates a sharper fifth than pure.  
Garibaldi tempers out the [[garischisma]], equating the [[septimal comma]] with both the [[syntonic comma]] and the [[Pythagorean comma]]. The 7/4 is found at -14 fifths, represented by the double diminished octave (C-Cbb), or down-minor seventh (C-vBb) with the down-arrow representing the comma step. It necessitates a sharper fifth than pure.  


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{{See also| Archytas clan #Schism }}
{{See also| Archytas clan #Schism }}


Schism is a low-accuracy extension as it tempers out the septimal comma. The 7/4 is found at -2 fifths, represented by the minor seventh.  
Schism is a low-accuracy extension as it tempers out the septimal comma. The 7/4 is found at -2 fifths, represented by the minor seventh (C-Bb).  


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{{Main| Pontiac }}
{{Main| Pontiac }}


Pontiac tempers out the [[nanisma]], rendering a very accurate 7-limit microtemperament. The 7/4 is found at +39 fifths, represented by the quintuple augmented third (C-Exx#).  
Pontiac tempers out the [[nanisma]], rendering a very accurate 7-limit microtemperament. The 7/4 is found at +39 fifths, represented by the quintuple augmented third (C-Exx#), or triple-up major sixth (C-^<sup>3</sup>A).  


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=== Helenoid ===
=== Helenoid ===
The ''helenoid'' temperament (53 &amp; 118) is closely related to the helenus temperament, but with the [[4375/4374|ragisma]] rather than the [[225/224|marvel comma]] tempered out.
The helenoid temperament (53 &amp; 118) is closely related to the helenus temperament, but with the [[4375/4374|ragisma]] rather than the [[225/224|marvel comma]] tempered out.


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=== Bipont ===
=== Bipont ===
The bipont temperament (118 &amp; 224) has a period of half octave and tempers out the [[3025/3024|lehmerisma]], 3025/3024 and the [[9801/9800|kalisma]], 9801/9800.
The bipont temperament (118 &amp; 224) has a period of half octave and tempers out the [[3025/3024|lehmerisma (3025/3024)]] and the [[9801/9800|kalisma (9801/9800)]].


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== Grackle ==
== Grackle ==
Grackle tempers out {{monzo| -44 26 0 1 }}. The 7/4 is found at -26 fifths, represented by the triple diminished ninth (C-Dbbbb).  
Grackle tempers out {{monzo| -44 26 0 1 }}. The 7/4 is found at -26 fifths, represented by the triple diminished ninth (C-Dbbbb), or double-down minor seventh (C-vvBb), which is to say, two comma steps are required to bend the Pythagorean minor seventh to the septimal one.  


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