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::# I think AMD for "arithmetic mean division" as a substitute for 1MD, GMD for "geometric mean division" as a substitute for 0MD, and HMD for "harmonic mean division" as a substitute for (-1)MD, would all be fine. Using simply AD and HD (or ID) is not acceptable, because it is incompatible with ED, implying that in an ED, the frequencies of pitches are related to their immediate neighbors by the "equal mean" of their frequencies; however, the "equal mean" does not exist, so this is not true. The established system simply assumes pitch to have naturally been the default resource, and so an ED is an E(P)D, and this was extended to EFD and ELD.

:: --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 18:23, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

::: Adding my grain of salt: I don't think it's wrong to have both a systematic naming system for theorists who want to get everything covered unambiguously and, in parallel, a set of everyday terms for musicians. I view cmloegcmluin's system of harmonotonic tunings as a systematic naming system, whereas the term "IDO" tries to follow the footsteps of "EDO" as a more colloquial term (i.e. not as unambiguous, but understood by most in context). I personally don't like "IDO" because I find it much harder to understand compared to "subharmonic series segment" (used by Sevish and probably more before/after him) or "undertone scale" (used by Andrew Heathwaite and probably more before/after him), while also not being as explicit as cmloegcmluin's systematic terminology. There are also shorthand notations like 24::12 (pronounced as "subharmonics 24 to 12") that convey more effectively the idea of "12ido" that aren't much longer or harder to say than "12ido". As for fractional-order tuning systems, I think it's better to start by developing a systematic naming system, if only because it might not turn out useful or necessary to make it musician-friendly later. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 01:11, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

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 ::# I think AMD for "arithmetic mean division" as a substitute for 1MD, GMD for "geometric mean division" as a substitute for 0MD, and HMD for "harmonic mean division" as a substitute for (-1)MD, would all be fine. Using simply AD and HD (or ID) is not acceptable, because it is incompatible with ED, implying that in an ED, the frequencies of pitches are related to their immediate neighbors by the "equal mean" of their frequencies; however, the "equal mean" does not exist, so this is not true. The established system simply assumes pitch to have naturally been the default resource, and so an ED is an E(P)D, and this was extended to EFD and ELD.
 :: --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 18:23, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
+::: Adding my grain of salt: I don't think it's wrong to have both a systematic naming system for theorists who want to get everything covered unambiguously and, in parallel, a set of everyday terms for musicians. I view cmloegcmluin's system of harmonotonic tunings as a systematic naming system, whereas the term "IDO" tries to follow the footsteps of "EDO" as a more colloquial term (i.e. not as unambiguous, but understood by most in context). I personally don't like "IDO" because I find it much harder to understand compared to "subharmonic series segment" (used by Sevish and probably more before/after him) or "undertone scale" (used by Andrew Heathwaite and probably more before/after him), while also not being as explicit as cmloegcmluin's systematic terminology. There are also shorthand notations like 24::12 (pronounced as "subharmonics 24 to 12") that convey more effectively the idea of "12ido" that aren't much longer or harder to say than "12ido". As for fractional-order tuning systems, I think it's better to start by developing a systematic naming system, if only because it might not turn out useful or necessary to make it musician-friendly later. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 01:11, 29 March 2023 (UTC)