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::::::: Re: the Shannon Entropy thing. What I'm trying to say about my bad intuitions is this. I think that a situation where we have 2 terms we each use about half of the time or 3 terms we each use about a third of the time is a bad situation. I thought that was common sense, and so I assumed Shannon Entropy might be a fancy name for that idea (and here's a great piece of evidence where jargon and non-descriptive, in this case eponymous naming are creating a barrier to my understanding). I assumed that everyone would prefer standardization: a situation where we use a single term for a single thing almost all of the time and any other terms almost never. But if I'm understanding correctly now, it sounds like you're saying that we ''should'' strive for the situation where all of the words are used equally often? I'm probably still missing some important information, though. And I can't find any information about this "keep-people-familiar argument" concept you mention to help me make sense of it either. Sorry. If you want to convey these ideas to me more effectively, I would ask you to unpack these unfamiliar concepts for me, or find a simpler way that doesn't involve them. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 16:22, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

:::::::: I understand what I'm tryna argue is counterintuitive. Maybe I failed to make the context clear. It's this: ''val'' can't be replaced entirely by ''map''. You can replace this word in the phrase ''patent val'', but beyond this phrase, it can't be replaced by all occurrences. It turns up in all the temp pages, for example, where simply replacing the lines of ''vals'' to ''maps'' isn't appropriate. It has to do with the concern that ''val'' isn't totally synonymous with ''map''. ''Val'' or ''edomapping'' (I reckon these two are synonymous) emphasises itself being an individual row of the map. Therefore, ''val'' remains a word that's likely to be encountered by those who work with RTT even if it's removed from the phrase ''patent val''. That's why we hope to keep people familiar with both terms by using the term of lower use rate more, which can be explained through Shannon entropy. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 01:26, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

== proposal to rename "generalize patent val" to "uniform map" ==

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 ::::::: Re: the Shannon Entropy thing. What I'm trying to say about my bad intuitions is this. I think that a situation where we have 2 terms we each use about half of the time or 3 terms we each use about a third of the time is a bad situation. I thought that was common sense, and so I assumed Shannon Entropy might be a fancy name for that idea (and here's a great piece of evidence where jargon and non-descriptive, in this case eponymous naming are creating a barrier to my understanding). I assumed that everyone would prefer standardization: a situation where we use a single term for a single thing almost all of the time and any other terms almost never. But if I'm understanding correctly now, it sounds like you're saying that we ''should'' strive for the situation where all of the words are used equally often? I'm probably still missing some important information, though. And I can't find any information about this "keep-people-familiar argument" concept you mention to help me make sense of it either. Sorry. If you want to convey these ideas to me more effectively, I would ask you to unpack these unfamiliar concepts for me, or find a simpler way that doesn't involve them. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 16:22, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
+:::::::: I understand what I'm tryna argue is counterintuitive. Maybe I failed to make the context clear. It's this: ''val'' can't be replaced entirely by ''map''. You can replace this word in the phrase ''patent val'', but beyond this phrase, it can't be replaced by all occurrences. It turns up in all the temp pages, for example, where simply replacing the lines of ''vals'' to ''maps'' isn't appropriate. It has to do with the concern that ''val'' isn't totally synonymous with ''map''. ''Val'' or ''edomapping'' (I reckon these two are synonymous) emphasises itself being an individual row of the map. Therefore, ''val'' remains a word that's likely to be encountered by those who work with RTT even if it's removed from the phrase ''patent val''. That's why we hope to keep people familiar with both terms by using the term of lower use rate more, which can be explained through Shannon entropy. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 01:26, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 == proposal to rename "generalize patent val" to "uniform map" ==