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== Theory ==
== Theory ==


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== Intervals ==
== Intervals ==


{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center; padding: 0 1em"
|-
! degrees
! degrees
![[cent|cents]]
! [[cent|cents]]
! Closest diatonic <br /> interval name
! Closest diatonic <br> interval name
! The "neighborhood" of just intervals
! The "neighborhood" of just intervals
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 0
| style="text-align:right" | 0
| style="text-align:center;" | 0
| style="text-align:right" | 0
| style="text-align:center;" | unison / prime
| unison / prime
| exactly 1/1
| '''1/1'''
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 1
| 1
| style="text-align:center;" | 240
| 240
| style="text-align:center;" | second, third
| second, third
| +8.826¢ from septimal second [[8/7|8/7]]
| +8.826¢ from septimal second [[8/7]] <br> -4.969¢ from diminished third [[144/125]] <br> -13.076¢ from augmented second [[125/108]] <br> -26.871¢ from septimal minor third [[7/6]]
 
-4.969¢ from diminished third [[144/125|144/125]]
 
-13.076¢ from augmented second 125/108
 
-26.871¢ from septimal minor third [[7/6|7/6]]
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 2
| 2
| style="text-align:center;" | 480
| 480
| style="text-align:center;" | fourth
| fourth
| +9.219¢ from narrow fourth [[21/16|21/16]]
| +9.219¢ from narrow fourth [[21/16]] <br> -0.686¢ from smaller fourth [[33/25]] <br> -18.045¢ from just fourth [[4/3]]
 
-0.686¢ from smaller fourth [[33/25|33/25]]
 
-18.045¢ from just fourth [[4/3|4/3]]
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 3
| 3
| style="text-align:center;" | 720
| 720
| style="text-align:center;" | fifth
| fifth
| +18.045¢ from just fifth [[3/2|3/2]]
| +18.045¢ from just fifth [[3/2]] <br> +0.686¢ from bigger fifth [[50/33]] <br> -9.219¢ from wide fifth [[32/21]]
 
+0.686¢ from bigger fifth [[50/33|50/33]]
 
-9.219¢ from wide fifth [[32/21|32/21]]
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 4
| 4
| style="text-align:center;" | 960
| 960
| style="text-align:center;" | sixth, seventh
| sixth, seventh
| 26.871¢ from septimal major sixth [[12/7|12/7]]
| 26.871¢ from septimal major sixth [[12/7]] <br> 13.076¢ from diminished seventh [[216/125]] <br> 4.969¢ from augmented sixth [[125/72]] <br> -8.826¢ from septimal seventh [[7/4]]
 
13.076¢ from diminished seventh 216/125
 
4.969¢ from augmented sixth [[125/72|125/72]]
 
-8.826¢ from septimal seventh [[7/4|7/4]]
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 5
| 5
| style="text-align:center;" | 1200
| 1200
| style="text-align:center;" | octave
| octave
| exactly 2/1
| '''2/1'''
|}
|}


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== Notation ==
== Notation ==
* via Reinhard's cents notation
* via Reinhard's cents notation
* naturals on a five-line staff, with enharmonics (used interchangably) E=F and B=C
* naturals on a five-line staff, with enharmonics (used interchangably) E=F and B=C
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=== Related scales ===
=== Related scales ===
* By its cardinality, 5-edo is related to other [[pentatonic]] scales, and it is especially close in sound to many Indonesian [[slendro|slendros]].
* By its cardinality, 5-edo is related to other [[pentatonic]] scales, and it is especially close in sound to many Indonesian [[slendro|slendros]].
* Due to the interest around the "fifth" interval size, there are many [[nonoctave|nonoctave]] "stretch sisters" to 5-edo: square root of 4/3, cube root of 3/2, 8th root of 3, etc.
* Due to the interest around the "fifth" interval size, there are many [[nonoctave|nonoctave]] "stretch sisters" to 5-edo: square root of 4/3, cube root of 3/2, 8th root of 3, etc.
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=== Cycles, Divisions ===
=== Cycles, Divisions ===
5 is a prime number so 5-edo contains no sub-edos. Only simple cycles:
5 is a prime number so 5-edo contains no sub-edos. Only simple cycles:


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=== Harmony ===
=== Harmony ===
5edo does not have any strong consonance nor dissonance. The 240 cent interval can serve as either a major second or minor third, and the 960 cent interval as either a major sixth or minor seventh. The fourth is about 18 cents flat of a just fourth, making it rather "dirty" but recognizable. The fifth is likewise about 18 cents sharp of a just fifth, dissonant but still easily recognizable.
5edo does not have any strong consonance nor dissonance. The 240 cent interval can serve as either a major second or minor third, and the 960 cent interval as either a major sixth or minor seventh. The fourth is about 18 cents flat of a just fourth, making it rather "dirty" but recognizable. The fifth is likewise about 18 cents sharp of a just fifth, dissonant but still easily recognizable.


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=== Melody ===
=== Melody ===
Smallest EDO that can be used for melodies in a "standard" way. The relatively large step of 240 cents can be used as major second for the melody construction. The scale has whole-tone as well as pentatonic character.
Smallest EDO that can be used for melodies in a "standard" way. The relatively large step of 240 cents can be used as major second for the melody construction. The scale has whole-tone as well as pentatonic character.


=== Chord or scale? ===
=== Chord or scale? ===
Either way, it is hard to wander very far from where you start. However, it has the scale-like feature that there are (barely) enough notes to create melody, in the form of an equal version of pentatonic.
Either way, it is hard to wander very far from where you start. However, it has the scale-like feature that there are (barely) enough notes to create melody, in the form of an equal version of pentatonic.


== Commas ==
== Commas ==
5-EDO tempers out the following [[commas]]. (Note: This assumes the val &lt; 5 8 12 14 17 19 |.)
5-EDO tempers out the following [[commas]]. (Note: This assumes the val &lt; 5 8 12 14 17 19 |.)


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! [[Monzo]]
! [[Monzo]]
! [[cent]]s
! [[cent]]s
![[Color notation/Temperament Names|Color Name]]
! [[Color notation/Temperament Names|Color Name]]
! Name
! Name
! Second Name
! Second Name
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| {{Monzo| 8 -5 }}
| {{Monzo| 8 -5 }}
| style="text-align:right;" | 90.225
| style="text-align:right;" | 90.225
|Sawa
| Sawa
| Limma
| Limma
| Pythagorean Minor 2nd
| Pythagorean Minor 2nd
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| {{Monzo| 0 3 -2 }}
| {{Monzo| 0 3 -2 }}
| style="text-align:right;" | 133.238
| style="text-align:right;" | 133.238
|Gugu
| Gugu
| Large diatonic semit.
| Large diatonic semit.
|  
|  
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| {{Monzo| 4 -1 -1 }}
| {{Monzo| 4 -1 -1 }}
| style="text-align:right;" | 111.731
| style="text-align:right;" | 111.731
|Gubi
| Gubi
| Diatonic semitone
| Diatonic semitone
|  
|  
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| {{Monzo| -4 4 -1 }}
| {{Monzo| -4 4 -1 }}
| style="text-align:right;" | 21.506
| style="text-align:right;" | 21.506
|Gu
| Gu
| Syntonic Comma
| Syntonic Comma
| Didymos Comma
| Didymos Comma
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| {{Monzo| 24 -21 4 }}
| {{Monzo| 24 -21 4 }}
| style="text-align:right;" | 4.200
| style="text-align:right;" | 4.200
|Sasa-quadyo
| Sasa-quadyo
| Vulture
| Vulture
|  
|  
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| {{Monzo| 2 2 -1 -1 }}
| {{Monzo| 2 2 -1 -1 }}
| style="text-align:right;" | 48.770
| style="text-align:right;" | 48.770
|Rugu
| Rugu
| Septimal Quarter Tone
| Septimal Quarter Tone
|  
|  
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| {{Monzo| -4 -1 0 2 }}
| {{Monzo| -4 -1 0 2 }}
| style="text-align:right;" | 35.697
| style="text-align:right;" | 35.697
|Zozo
| Zozo
| Slendro Diesis
| Slendro Diesis
|  
|  
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| {{Monzo| 6 -2 0 -1 }}
| {{Monzo| 6 -2 0 -1 }}
| style="text-align:right;" | 27.264
| style="text-align:right;" | 27.264
|Ru
| Ru
| Septimal Comma
| Septimal Comma
| Archytas' Comma
| Archytas' Comma
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| {{Monzo| 0 -5 1 2 }}
| {{Monzo| 0 -5 1 2 }}
| style="text-align:right;" | 14.191
| style="text-align:right;" | 14.191
|Zozoyo
| Zozoyo
| Sensamagic
| Sensamagic
|  
|  
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| {{Monzo| 6 3 -1 -3 }}
| {{Monzo| 6 3 -1 -3 }}
| style="text-align:right;" | 13.074
| style="text-align:right;" | 13.074
|Triru-agu
| Triru-agu
| Orwellisma
| Orwellisma
| Orwell Comma
| Orwell Comma
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| {{Monzo| -10 1 0 3 }}
| {{Monzo| -10 1 0 3 }}
| style="text-align:right;" | 8.433
| style="text-align:right;" | 8.433
|Latrizo
| Latrizo
| Gamelisma
| Gamelisma
|  
|  
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| {{Monzo| -4 9 -2 -2 }}
| {{Monzo| -4 9 -2 -2 }}
| style="text-align:right;" | 7.316
| style="text-align:right;" | 7.316
|Labiruru
| Labiruru
| Cataharry
| Cataharry
|  
|  
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| {{Monzo| 10 -6 1 -1 }}
| {{Monzo| 10 -6 1 -1 }}
| style="text-align:right;" | 5.758
| style="text-align:right;" | 5.758
|Saruyo
| Saruyo
| Hemifamity
| Hemifamity
|  
|  
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| {{Monzo| -26 -1 1 9 }}
| {{Monzo| -26 -1 1 9 }}
| style="text-align:right;" | 3.792
| style="text-align:right;" | 3.792
|Latritrizo-ayo
| Latritrizo-ayo
| Wadisma
| Wadisma
|  
|  
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| {{Monzo| -6 -8 2 5 }}
| {{Monzo| -6 -8 2 5 }}
| style="text-align:right;" | 1.117
| style="text-align:right;" | 1.117
|Quinzo-ayoyo
| Quinzo-ayoyo
| Wizma
| Wizma
|  
|  
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| {{Monzo| -1 0 -1 0 1 }}
| {{Monzo| -1 0 -1 0 1 }}
| style="text-align:right;" | 165.004
| style="text-align:right;" | 165.004
|Logu
| Logu
| Large neutral second
| Large neutral second
|  
|  
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| {{Monzo| -1 2 0 -2 1 }}
| {{Monzo| -1 2 0 -2 1 }}
| style="text-align:right;" | 17.576
| style="text-align:right;" | 17.576
|Loruru
| Loruru
| Mothwellsma
| Mothwellsma
|  
|  
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| {{Monzo| 7 -4 0 1 -1 }}
| {{Monzo| 7 -4 0 1 -1 }}
| style="text-align:right;" | 9.688
| style="text-align:right;" | 9.688
|Saluzo
| Saluzo
| Pentacircle
| Pentacircle
|  
|  
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| {{Monzo| -7 -1 1 1 1 }}
| {{Monzo| -7 -1 1 1 1 }}
| style="text-align:right;" | 4.503
| style="text-align:right;" | 4.503
|Lozoyo
| Lozoyo
| Keenanisma
| Keenanisma
|  
|  
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| {{Monzo| -3 2 -1 2 -1 }}
| {{Monzo| -3 2 -1 2 -1 }}
| style="text-align:right;" | 3.930
| style="text-align:right;" | 3.930
|Luzozogu
| Luzozogu
| Werckisma
| Werckisma
|  
|  
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| {{Monzo| -4 -3 2 -1 2 }}
| {{Monzo| -4 -3 2 -1 2 }}
| style="text-align:right;" | 0.572
| style="text-align:right;" | 0.572
|Loloruyoyo
| Loloruyoyo
| Lehmerisma
| Lehmerisma
|  
|  
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| {{Monzo| 1 0 0 1 0 -1 }}
| {{Monzo| 1 0 0 1 0 -1 }}
| style="text-align:right;" | 128.298
| style="text-align:right;" | 128.298
|Thuzo
| Thuzo
|  
|  
|  
|  
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| {{Monzo| -1 -2 -1 1 0 1 }}
| {{Monzo| -1 -2 -1 1 0 1 }}
| style="text-align:right;" | 19.130
| style="text-align:right;" | 19.130
|Thozogu
| Thozogu
| Superleap
| Superleap
|  
|  
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| {{Monzo| 2 -3 -2 0 0 2 }}
| {{Monzo| 2 -3 -2 0 0 2 }}
| style="text-align:right;" | 2.563
| style="text-align:right;" | 2.563
|Bithogu
| Bithogu
| Parizeksma
| Parizeksma
|  
|  
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== Ear Training ==
== Ear Training ==
5edo ear-training exercises by Alex Ness available [https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwsXD8q2VCYUT3VEZUVmeVZUcmc&usp=drive_web here].
 
5edo ear-training exercises by Alex Ness available here:
* https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwsXD8q2VCYUT3VEZUVmeVZUcmc&usp=drive_web


For any musician, there is no substitute for the experience of a particular xenharmonic sound. The user going by the name Hyacinth on Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons has many xenharmonic MIDI's and has graciously copylefted them! This is his 5-edo scale MIDI:
For any musician, there is no substitute for the experience of a particular xenharmonic sound. The user going by the name Hyacinth on Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons has many xenharmonic MIDI's and has graciously copylefted them! This is his 5-edo scale MIDI:
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== Music ==
== Music ==
* [http://www.io.com/%7Ehmiller/ Herman Miller]: ''[http://micro.soonlabel.com/herman_miller/Daybreak.mp3 Daybreak on Slendro Mountain]'' (2000)
* [http://www.io.com/%7Ehmiller/ Herman Miller]: ''[http://micro.soonlabel.com/herman_miller/Daybreak.mp3 Daybreak on Slendro Mountain]'' (2000)
* Aaron K. Johnson: ''[http://www.akjmusic.com/audio/5tet_funk.mp3 5tet funk]'' (2004)
* [[Aaron Krister Johnson]]: ''[http://www.akjmusic.com/audio/5tet_funk.mp3 5tet funk]'' (2004)
* [http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=122613&songID=1519939 Andrew Heathwaite: //Pinta Penta// (2004)] [http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/gene_ward_smith/Others/Heathwaite/andrewheathwaite+pintapentain5tet.mp3 play] (rendered in 6 alternative pentatonics as well)
* [http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=122613&songID=1519939 Andrew Heathwaite: //Pinta Penta// (2004)] [http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/gene_ward_smith/Others/Heathwaite/andrewheathwaite+pintapentain5tet.mp3 play] (rendered in 6 alternative pentatonics as well)
* [[Hans_Straub|Hans Straub]]: [http://home.datacomm.ch/straub/mamuth/5tet_e.html#asimchomsaia Asîmchômsaia] [http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/gene_ward_smith/Others/Straub/asimchomsaia.mp3 play]
* [[Hans Straub]]: [http://home.datacomm.ch/straub/mamuth/5tet_e.html#asimchomsaia Asîmchômsaia] [http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/gene_ward_smith/Others/Straub/asimchomsaia.mp3 play]
* [[Brian_Wong|Brian Wong]]: [http://bwong.ca/template1.php?sub=3 Slendronica#1b] [http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/gene_ward_smith/Others/Wong/Slendronica1b.ogg play]
* [[Brian Wong]]: [http://bwong.ca/template1.php?sub=3 Slendronica#1b] [http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/gene_ward_smith/Others/Wong/Slendronica1b.ogg play]
* Brian McLaren: various and sundry<li>Paul Rubenstein: various, with electric guitars in 10- and 15-edo</li><li>X.J.Scott: ''Sleeping Through It All'' (2004)
* [[Brian McLaren]]: various and sundry<li>Paul Rubenstein: various, with electric guitars in 10- and 15-edo</li><li>X.J.Scott: ''Sleeping Through It All'' (2004)
* Bill Sethares: ''5-tet funk'' (2004), ''Pentacle'' (2004)
* [[Bill Sethares]]: ''5-tet funk'' (2004), ''Pentacle'' (2004)
* "Cenobyte" Ukulele http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKUCRnEJKKU
* "Cenobyte" Ukulele http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKUCRnEJKKU
* "[http://www.jamendo.com/en/list/a104474/true-island-5-equal-divisions-of-the-octave-ukulele True Island]" (album) by Small Scale Revolution (2011)
* "[http://www.jamendo.com/en/list/a104474/true-island-5-equal-divisions-of-the-octave-ukulele True Island]" (album) by Small Scale Revolution (2011)
* Ralph Jarzombek: [http://webzoom.freewebs.com/ralphjarzombek/micro12.mp3 Micro12]
* [[Ralph Jarzombek]]: [http://webzoom.freewebs.com/ralphjarzombek/micro12.mp3 Micro12]
* [https://soundcloud.com/uz1kt3k/prelude-in-5et Prelude In 5ET]  by [[Aaron Andrew Hunt]]
* [https://soundcloud.com/uz1kt3k/invention-in-5et Invention In 5ET] by [[Aaron Andrew Hunt]]


There is much 5-edo (or nearly so) world music, just search for "gyil" or "amadinda" or "slendro".
There is much 5-edo (or nearly so) world music, just search for "gyil" or "amadinda" or "slendro".