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=Summary=
'''Unnoticeable commas''' are very small intervals. These commas are called "unnoticeable" because, being equal to or less than 3.5 cents, they are smaller than the average peak [http://musictheory.zentral.zone/huntsystem2.html#2 JND] (just-noticeable difference) of human pitch perception, as illustrated by the research of [[Aaron_Andrew_Hunt|Aaron Andrew Hunt]]. It is improbable that even a trained listener would be able to notice these intervals, and as such they a prime target for psychoacoustically informed [[Microtempering|microtempering]].
These commas are called "unnoticeable" because, being equal to or less than 3.5 cents, they are smaller than the average peak [http://musictheory.zentral.zone/huntsystem2.html#2 JND] (just-noticeable difference) of human pitch perception, as illustrated by the research of [[Aaron_Andrew_Hunt|Aaron Andrew Hunt]]. It is improbable that even a trained listener would be able to notice these intervals, and as such they a prime target for psychoacoustically informed [[Microtempering|microtempering]].


Due to the wide range of sizes, cents values here and on the other commas pages are listed to 5 significant digits, instead of to a fixed number of decimal places as is the [[conventions|convention]] elsewhere on the wiki.
Due to the wide range of sizes, cents values here and on the other commas pages are listed to 5 significant digits, instead of to a fixed number of decimal places as is the [[conventions|convention]] elsewhere on the wiki.


=List of commas, by prime limit=
== 3-limit commas ==
 
==3-limit commas==


{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
|-
|-
! | name(s)
! Name(s)
! | ratio
! Ratio
! | monzo
! Monzo
! | cents
! Cents
|-
|-
| | Sasktel comma, 51-Pythagorean comma
| Sasktel comma, 51-Pythagorean comma
| |
|
| | | 485 -306 >
| {{Monzo|485 -306}}
| | 1.7697
| 1.7697
|-
|-
| | [[Satanic_comma|Satanic comma]]
| [[Satanic comma]]
| |
|
| | | -1054 665 >
| {{Monzo|-1054 665}}
| | 0.075575
| 0.075575
|}
|}


==5-limit commas==
== 5-limit commas ==


{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
|-
|-
! | name(s)
! Name(s)
! | ratio
! Ratio
! | monzo
! Monzo
! | cents
! Cents
|-
|-
| | dodifo
| dodifo
| |
|
| | | -67 -9 35>
| {{Monzo|-67 -9 35}}
| | 3.3850
| 3.3850
|-
|-
| | [[vishnuzma|vishnuzma]], semisuper
| [[vishnuzma]], semisuper
| | 6115295232 / 6103515625
| 6115295232 / 6103515625
| | | 23 6 -14 >
| {{Monzo|23 6 -14}}
| | 3.3380
| 3.3380
|-
|-
| | [[enneadeca|enneadeca]], 19-tone-comma
| [[enneadeca]], 19-tone-comma
| | 19073486328125 / 19042491875328
| 19073486328125 / 19042491875328
| | | -14 -19 19 >
| {{Monzo|-14 -19 19}}
| | 2.8155
| 2.8155
|-
|-
| | vavoom
| vavoom
| |  
|  
| | | -68 18 17 >
| {{Monzo|-68 18 17}}
| | 2.5232
| 2.5232
|-
|-
| | tricot comma
| tricot comma
| | 68719476736000 / 68630377364883
| 68719476736000 / 68630377364883
| | | 39 -29 3 >
| {{Monzo|39 -29 3}}
| | 2.2461
| 2.2461
|-
|-
| | schisma
| schisma
| | 32805 / 32768
| 32805 / 32768
| | | -15 8 1 >
| {{Monzo|-15 8 1}}
| | 1.9537
| 1.9537
|-
|-
| | counterschisma
| counterschisma
| |  
|  
| | | -69 45 -1 >
| {{Monzo|-69 45 -1}}
| | 1.6613
| 1.6613
|-
|-
| | ? (schisma minus the 306–comma, tempered out in [[665edo]])
| ? (schisma minus the 306–comma, tempered out in [[665edo]])
| |
|
| | | -500 314 1 >
| {{Monzo|-500 314 1}}
| | ?
| 1.000106
|-
|-
| | septendecima
| septendecima
| |  
|  
| | | -52 -17 34 >
| {{Monzo|-52 -17 34}}
| | 1.4313
| 1.4313
|-
|-
| | hemithirds comma, lunama
| hemithirds comma, lunama
| | 274877906944 / 274658203125
| 274877906944 / 274658203125
| | | 38 -2 -15 >
| {{Monzo|38 -2 -15}}
| | 1.3843
| 1.3843
|-
|-
| | minortone comma
| minortone comma
| | 50031545098999707 / 50000000000000000
| 50031545098999707 / 50000000000000000
| | | -16 35 -17 >
| {{Monzo|-16 35 -17}}
| | 1.0919
| 1.0919
|-
|-
| | [[Ennealimmal|ennealimma]]
| [[Ennealimmal]]
| | 7629394531250 / 7625597484987
| 7629394531250 / 7625597484987
| | | 1 -27 18 >
| {{Monzo|1 -27 18}}
| | 0.86183
| 0.86183
|-
|-
| | astro
| astro
| |  
|  
| | | 91 -12 -31 >
| {{Monzo|91 -12 -31}}
| | 0.81486
| 0.81486
|-
|-
| | kwazy
| kwazy
| | 9010162353515625 / 9007199254740992  
| 9010162353515625 / 9007199254740992  
| | | -53 10 16 >
| {{Monzo|-53 10 16}}
| | 0.56943
| 0.56943
|-
|-
| | whoosh
| whoosh
| |  
|  
| | | 37 25 -33 >
| {{Monzo|37 25 -33}}
| | 0.52246
| 0.52246
|-
|-
| | egads
| egads
| |  
|  
| | | -36 -52 51 >
| {{Monzo|-36 -52 51}}
| | 0.33936
| 0.33936
|-
|-
| | monzisma
| monzisma
| | 450359962737049600 / 450283905890997363
| 450359962737049600 / 450283905890997363
| | | 54 -37 2 >
| {{Monzo|54 -37 2}}
| | 0.29240
| 0.29240
|-
|-
| | fortune
| fortune
| |  
|  
| | | -107 47 14 >
| {{Monzo|-107 47 14}}
| | 0.27703
| 0.27703
|-
|-
| | gross
| gross
| |  
|  
| | | 144 -22 -47 >
| {{Monzo|144 -22 -47}}
| | 0.24543
| 0.24543
|-
|-
| | senior
| senior
| |  
|  
| | | -17 62 -35 >
| {{Monzo|-17 62 -35}}
| | 0.23007
| 0.23007
|-
|-
| | raider
| raider
| |  
|  
| | | 71 -99 37 >
| {{Monzo|71 -99 37}}
| | 0.062327
| 0.062327
|-
|-
| | pirate
| pirate
| |  
|  
| | | -90 -15 49 >
| {{Monzo|-90 -15 49}}
| | 0.046966
| 0.046966
|-
|-
| | viking
| viking
| |  
|  
| | | -251 69 61 >
| {{Monzo|-251 69 61}}
| | 0.031605
| 0.031605
|-
|-
| | atom
| atom
| |  
|  
| | | 161 -84 -12 >
| {{Monzo|161 -84 -12}}
| | 0.015361
| 0.015361
|-
|-
| | selenia
| selenia
| |  
|  
| | | -433 -137 280 >
| {{Monzo|-433 -137 280}}
| | 0.0047636
| 0.0047636
|-
|-
| | titania
| titania
| |  
|  
| | | 2746 -521 -827 >
| {{Monzo|2746 -521 -827}}
| | 0.0031829
| 0.0031829
|-
|-
| | quark
| quark
| |  
|  
| | | -573 237 85 >
| {{Monzo|-573 237 85}}
| | 8.8361 × 10<sup>-4</sup>
| 8.8361 × 10<sup>-4</sup>
|-
|-
| | scamp
| scamp
| |  
|  
| | | -5836 4293 -417 &gt;
| {{Monzo|-5836 4293 -417}}
| | 3.3472 × 10<sup>-5</sup>
| 3.3472 × 10<sup>-5</sup>
|-
|-
| | rover
| rover
| |  
|  
| | | 1634 1502 -1729 &gt;
| {{Monzo|1634 1502 -1729}}
| | 2.7513 × 10<sup>-5</sup>
| 2.7513 × 10<sup>-5</sup>
|-
|-
| | rascal
| rascal
| |  
|  
| | | -7470 2791 1312 &gt;
| {{Monzo|-7470 2791 1312}}
| | 5.9596 × 10<sup>-6</sup>
| 5.9596 × 10<sup>-6</sup>
|}
|}


==7-limit commas==
== 7-limit commas ==


{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
|-
|-
! | name(s)
! Name(s)
! | ratio
! Ratio
! | monzo
! Monzo
! | cents
! Cents
|-
|-
| | 44-septimal comma
| 44-septimal comma
| |  
|  
| | | -263 88 0 44 &gt;
| {{Monzo|-263 88 0 44}}
| | 0.37996
| 0.37996
|-
|-
| | horwell
| horwell
| | 65625 / 65536
| 65625 / 65536
| | | -16 1 5 1 &gt;
| {{Monzo|-16 1 5 1}}
| | 2.3495
| 2.3495
|-
|-
| | meter
| meter
| | 703125 / 702464
| 703125 / 702464
| | | -11 2 7 -3 &gt;
| {{Monzo|-11 2 7 -3}}
| | 1.6283
| 1.6283
|-
|-
| | wizma
| wizma
| | 420175 / 419904
| 420175 / 419904
| | | -6 -8 2 5 &gt;
| {{Monzo|-6 -8 2 5}}
| | 1.1170
| 1.1170
|-
|-
| | breedsma
| breedsma
| | [[2401/2400|2401 / 2400]]
| [[2401/2400|2401 / 2400]]
| | | -5 -1 -2 4 &gt;
| {{Monzo|-5 -1 -2 4}}
| | 0.72120
| 0.72120
|-
|-
| | ragisma
| ragisma
| | 4375 / 4374
| 4375 / 4374
| | | -1 -7 4 1 &gt;
| {{Monzo|-1 -7 4 1}}
| | 0.39576
| 0.39576
|-
|-
| | akjaysma, 5\7 octave comma
| akjaysma, 5\7 octave comma
| | 140737488355328 / 140710042265625
| 140737488355328 / 140710042265625
| | | 47 -7 -7 -7 &gt;
| {{Monzo|47 -7 -7 -7}}
| | 0.33765
| 0.33765
|-
|-
| | landscape
| landscape
| | 250047 / 250000
| 250047 / 250000
| | | -4 6 -6 3 &gt;
| {{Monzo|-4 6 -6 3}}
| | 0.32544
| 0.32544
|-
|-
| | starscape
| starscape
| | 645700815 / 645657712
| 645700815 / 645657712
| | | -4 17 1 -9 &gt;
| {{Monzo|-4 17 1 -9}}
| | 0.11557
| 0.11557
|-
|-
| | euzenius
| euzenius
| | 78125000 / 78121827
| 78125000 / 78121827
| | | 3 -13 10 -2 &gt;
| {{Monzo|3 -13 10 -2}}
| | 0.070314
| 0.070314
|-
|-
| | termite
| termite
| |  
|  
| | | 9 -28 37 -18 &gt;
| {{Monzo|9 -28 37 -18}}
| | 0.0010723
| 0.0010723
|-
|-
| | neutrino
| neutrino
| |  
|  
| | | 1889 -2145 138 424 &gt;
| {{Monzo|1889 -2145 138 424}}
| | 1.6361 × 10<sup>-10</sup>
| 1.6361 × 10<sup>-10</sup>
|}
|}


==11-limit commas==
== 11-limit commas ==


{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
|-
|-
! | name(s)
! Name(s)
! | ratio
! Ratio
! | monzo
! Monzo
! | cents
! Cents
|-
|-
| | 11-cycle schisma, 37-11-comma
| 11-cycle schisma, 37-11-comma
| |  
|  
| | | 128 0 0 0 -37 &gt;
| {{Monzo|128 0 0 0 -37}}
| | 1.2361
| 1.2361
|-
|-
| | [[swetismic_chords|swetisma]]
| [[swetismic_chords|swetisma]]
| | 540 / 539
| 540 / 539
| | | 2 3 1 -2 -1 &gt;
| {{Monzo|2 3 1 -2 -1}}
| | 3.2090
| 3.2090
|-
|-
| | wizardharry
| wizardharry
| | 4000 / 3993
| 4000 / 3993
| | | 5 -1 3 0 -3 &gt;
| {{Monzo|5 -1 3 0 -3}}
| | 3.0323
| 3.0323
|-
|-
| | vishdel
| vishdel
| | 5632 / 5625
| 5632 / 5625
| | | 9 -2 -4 0 1 &gt;
| {{Monzo|9 -2 -4 0 1}}
| | 2.1531
| 2.1531
|-
|-
| | sesdecal
| sesdecal
| | 234375 / 234256
| 234375 / 234256
| | | -4 1 7 0 -4 &gt;
| {{Monzo|-4 1 7 0 -4}}
| | 0.87923
| 0.87923
|-
|-
| | hemigail
| hemigail
| | 43923 / 43904
| 43923 / 43904
| | | -7 1 0 -3 4 &gt;
| {{Monzo|-7 1 0 -3 4}}
| | 0.74905
| 0.74905
|-
|-
| | lehmerisma
| lehmerisma
| | 3025 / 3024
| 3025 / 3024
| | | -4 -3 2 -1 2 &gt;
| {{Monzo|-4 -3 2 -1 2}}
| | 0.57240
| 0.57240
|-
|-
| | kalisma, Gauss' comma
| kalisma, Gauss' comma
| | 9801 / 9800
| 9801 / 9800
| | | -3 4 -2 -2 2 &gt;
| {{Monzo|-3 4 -2 -2 2}}
| | 0.17665
| 0.17665
|-
|-
| | odiheim
| odiheim
| | 151263 / 151250
| 151263 / 151250
| | | -1 2 -4 5 -2 &gt;
| {{Monzo|-1 2 -4 5 -2}}
| | 0.14879
| 0.14879
|-
|-
| | parimo
| parimo
| | 1771561 / 1771470
| 1771561 / 1771470
| | | -1 -11 -1 0 6 &gt;
| {{Monzo|-1 -11 -1 0 6}}
| | 0.088931
| 0.088931
|-
|-
| | ultimo
| ultimo
| | 3294225 / 3294172
| 3294225 / 3294172
| | | -2 2 2 -7 4 &gt;
| {{Monzo|-2 2 2 -7 4}}
| | 0.027854
| 0.027854
|}
|}


==13-limit commas==
== 13-limit commas ==


{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
|-
|-
! | name(s)
! Name
! | ratio
! Ratio
! | monzo
! Monzo
! | cents
! Cents
|-
|-
| | tunbarsma
| tunbarsma
| | 625 / 624
| 625 / 624
| | | -4 -1 4 0 0 -1 &gt;
| {{Monzo|-4 -1 4 0 0 -1}}
| | 2.7722
| 2.7722
|-
|-
| | [[The_Archipelago|island comma]]
| [[The_Archipelago|island comma]]
| | 676 / 675
| 676 / 675
| | | 2 -3 -2 0 0 2 &gt;
| {{Monzo|2 -3 -2 0 0 2}}
| | 2.5629
| 2.5629
|-
|-
| | [[squbemic_chords|squbema]]
| [[squbemic_chords|squbema]]
| | 729 / 728
| 729 / 728
| | | -3 6 0 -1 0 -1 &gt;
| {{Monzo|-3 6 0 -1 0 -1}}
| | 2.3764
| 2.3764
|-
|-
| | [[petrmic_triad|petrma]]
| [[petrmic_triad|petrma]]
| | 2200 / 2197
| 2200 / 2197
| | | 3 0 2 0 1 -3 &gt;
| {{Monzo|3 0 2 0 1 -3}}
| | 2.3624
| 2.3624
|-
|-
| | [[nicolic_tetrad|nicola]]
| [[nicolic_tetrad|nicola]]
| | 1575 / 1573
| 1575 / 1573
| | | 0 2 2 1 -2 -1 &gt;
| {{Monzo|0 2 2 1 -2 -1}}
| | 2.1998
| 2.1998
|-
|-
| | [[sinbadmic_tetrad|sinbadma]]
| [[sinbadmic_tetrad|sinbadma]]
| | 1001 / 1000
| 1001 / 1000
| | | -3 0 -3 1 1 1 &gt;
| {{Monzo|-3 0 -3 1 1 1}}
| | 1.7303
| 1.7303
|-
|-
| | cantonisma
| cantonisma
| | 10985 / 10976
| 10985 / 10976
| | | -5 0 1 -3 0 3 &gt;
| {{Monzo|-5 0 1 -3 0 3}}
| | 1.4190
| 1.4190
|-
|-
| | lummic
| lummic
| | 1716 / 1715
| 1716 / 1715
| | | 2 1 -1 -3 1 1 &gt;
| {{Monzo|2 1 -1 -3 1 1}}
| | 1.0092
| 1.0092
|-
|-
| | ibnsinma
| ibnsinma
| | 2080 / 2079
| 2080 / 2079
| | | 5 -3 1 -1 -1 1 &gt;
| {{Monzo|5 -3 1 -1 -1 1}}
| | 0.83252
| 0.83252
|-
|-
| | schismina
| schismina
| | 4096 / 4095
| 4096 / 4095
| | | 12 -2 -1 -1 0 -1 &gt;
| {{Monzo|12 -2 -1 -1 0 -1}}
| | 0.42272
| 0.42272
|-
|-
| | leprechaun comma
| leprechaun comma
| | 4225 / 4224
| 4225 / 4224
| | | -7 -1 2 0 -1 2 &gt;
| {{Monzo|-7 -1 2 0 -1 2}}
| | 0.40981
| 0.40981
|-
|-
| | jacobin
| jacobin
| | 6656 / 6655
| 6656 / 6655
| | | 9 0 -1 0 -3 1 &gt;
| {{Monzo|9 0 -1 0 -3 1}}
| | 0.26012
| 0.26012
|-
|-
| | harmonisma
| harmonisma
| | 10648 / 10647
| 10648 / 10647
| | | 3 -2 0 -1 3 -2 &gt;
| {{Monzo|3 -2 0 -1 3 -2}}
| | 0.16260
| 0.16260
|-
|-
| | chalmersima
| chalmersima
| | 123201 / 123200
| 123201 / 123200
| | | -6 6 -2 -1 -1 2 &gt;
| {{Monzo|-6 6 -2 -1 -1 2}}
| | 0.014052
| 0.014052
|}
|}


==17-limit commas==
== 17-limit commas ==


{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
|-
|-
! | name(s)
! Name
! | ratio
! Ratio
! | monzo
! Monzo
! | cents
! Cents
|-
|-
| | xenisma
| xenisma
| | 2058 / 2057
| 2058 / 2057
| | | 1 1 0 3 -2 0 -1 &gt;
| {{Monzo|1 1 0 3 -2 0 -1}}
| | 0.84143
| 0.84143
|-
|-
| | flashma
| flashma
| | 12376 / 12375
| 12376 / 12375
| | | 3 -2 -3 1 -1 1 1 &gt;
| {{Monzo|3 -2 -3 1 -1 1 1}}
| | 0.13989
| 0.13989
|-
|-
| | sparkisma
| sparkisma
| | 14400 / 14399
| 14400 / 14399
| | | 6 2 2 -1 -2 0 -1 &gt;
| {{Monzo|6 2 2 -1 -2 0 -1}}
| | 0.12023
| 0.12023
|-
|-
| | scintillisma
| scintillisma
| | 194481 / 194480
| 194481 / 194480
| | | -4 4 -1 4 -1 -1 -1 &gt;
| {{Monzo|-4 4 -1 4 -1 -1 -1}}
| | 0.0089018
| 0.0089018
|}
|}


==19-limit commas==
== 19-limit commas ==


{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
|-
|-
! | name(s)
! Name
! | ratio
! Ratio
! | monzo
! Monzo
! | cents
! Cents
|-
|-
| | Hunt 19-minor mediant comma
| Hunt 19-minor mediant comma
| | 513 / 512
| 513 / 512
| | | -9 3 0 0 0 0 0 1 &gt;
| {{Monzo|-9 3 0 0 0 0 0 1}}
| | 3.3781
| 3.3781
|-
|-
| | password
| password
| | 1216 / 1215
| 1216 / 1215
| | | 6 -5 -1 0 0 0 0 1&gt;
| {{Monzo|6 -5 -1 0 0 0 0 1}}
| | 1.4243
| 1.4243
|-
|-
| | Blumeyer comma
| Blumeyer comma
| | 2432 / 2431
| 2432 / 2431
| | | 7 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 1 &gt;
| {{Monzo|7 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 1}}
| | 0.71200
| 0.71200
|-
|-
| | 19-limit decimill
| 19-limit decimill
| | 165376 / 165375
| 165376 / 165375
| | | 9 -3 -3 -2 0 0 1 1&gt;
| {{Monzo|9 -3 -3 -2 0 0 1 1}}
| | 0.010469
| 0.010469
|}
|}
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