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The [[5-limit]] parent comma for the '''kleismic family''' is [[15625/15552]], the kleisma, which is the amount by which a stack of six [[6/5|classical minor third]]s falls short of the [[3/1|3rd]] [[harmonic]].  
The [[5-limit]] parent comma for the '''kleismic family''' is [[15625/15552]], the kleisma, which is the amount by which a stack of six [[6/5|classical minor third]]s falls short of the [[3/1|3rd]] [[harmonic]], or equivalently the amount by which a stack of three [[25/24]] overshoots [[9/8]]. As a result, all kleismic temperaments trisect 9/8, for which 1 third tone is 25/24 and two are 27/25.  


== Kleismic a.k.a. hanson ==
== Kleismic a.k.a. hanson ==
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=== 2.3.5.13 subgroup (cata) ===
=== 2.3.5.13 subgroup (cata) ===
The structure of the temperament as dividing 3/1 into 6 equal parts can be deduced completely from its [[S-expression]]-based comma list of {{nowrap| {[[325/324|S10/S12 = S25⋅S26]], ([[625/624|S25]],) [[676/675|S13/S15 = S26]]} }}. Specifically, dividing 3/1 into two halves of ~26/15 is equivalent to dividing 4/3 into two halves of ~15/13, hence the [[semiparticular]] S13/S15 = ([[4/3|16/12]])/([[15/13]])<sup>2</sup>. From here, we notice that (26/15)/(13/9) = 6/5, so all that remains is dividing 13/9 into two 6/5's via the semiparticular S10/S12 = (13/9)/([[6/5|12/10]])<sup>2</sup>, hence explaining the mapping of the entire 2.3.5.13 subgroup.  
The kleisma has the [[S-expression]] S25²*S26 which explains how the tone is trisected, thus tempering out its constituyents S25 = [[625/624]] and S26 = [[676/675]] is a readily natural subgroup extension. As a result of coincidental S-expression equivalences, [[325/324]] = S25*S26 it is also tempered out. Cata finds the third-tritave [[³√3]] to be [[13/9]] as its comma [[2197/2187]] also has the expression S25*S26², and the half-tritave [[√3]] to be [[26/15]], whose difference is the basis S26.  


The accuracy of it as providing a slightly flat 5/4 in ideal tunings lends a possible (but complex) extension for prime 41 via [[32/25]][[~]][[41/32]], tempering out [[1025/1024]].  
The third tone is now 25/24 ~ 26/25 ~ 27/26, which means 27/25 ~ [[13/12]] are made equal.  


For a version of cata with a 1\5 period, see [[Thunderclysmic]].
For a version of cata with a 1\5 period, see [[Thunderclysmic]].  


Subgroup: 2.3.5.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.13
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Optimal tunings:  
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1200.1210{{c}}, ~6/5 = 317.1076{{c}}
* WE: ~2 = 1200.1210{{c}}, ~6/5 = 317.1076{{c}}[[error map]]: {{val|+0.121 +0.690 -0.655 -1.022}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~6/5 = 317.0920{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~6/5 = 317.0920{{c}}[[error map]]: {{val|+0.000 +0.597 -0.854 -1.240}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 15, 19, 34, 53, 140, 193, 246 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 15, 19, 34, 53, 140, 193, 246 }}
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{{Main| Catakleismic }}
{{Main| Catakleismic }}


Catakleismic tempers out 225/224, the [[marvel comma]], and 4375/4374, the [[ragisma]], and may be described as the {{nowrap| 53 & 72 }} temperament. [[125edo]] and especially [[197edo]] make for excellent tunings.  
Catakleismic tempers out 225/224, the [[marvel comma]], and 4375/4374, the [[ragisma]], and may be described as the {{nowrap| 53 & 72 }} temperament. [[125edo]] and especially [[197edo]] make for excellent tunings. In here, the JI intervals 25/24 - 27/25 - 9/8 - 7/6 are made equidistant.  
 
Catakleismic extends easily with [[prime interval|prime]] [[13/1|13]]. The [[S-expression]]-based comma list of this extension is {[[169/168|S13]], [[225/224|S15 = S25⋅S26⋅S27]], [[325/324|S10/S12 = S25⋅S26]], ([[625/624|S25]], [[676/675|S26 = S13/S15]], [[729/728|S27]])}.  


=== 7-limit ===
=== 7-limit ===
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==== 2.3.5.7.13 subgroup ====
==== 2.3.5.7.13 subgroup ====
Catakleismic extends easily with [[prime interval|prime]] [[13/1|13]] as seen before with cata, which has the S-expression list {S25, S26}. The marvel comma has an equivalent S-expression S25*S26*S27 and the ragisma S25/S27, thus S27 = [[729/728]] is another constituent that can be naturally tempered out. As a result, the third tone becomes 25/24~26/25~27/26~28/27, and the equivalence 27/25 ~ 13/12 is added.
Add-13 catakleismic is less accurate than cata or catakleismic alone as the error of 7 and 13 go in separate directions - cata wants a sharper 6/5 but catakleismic wants a flatter one. Nontheless, its structural properties make it quite notable.
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.13


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[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.32
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.32
==== 2.3.5.7.13 subgroup ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.13
Comma list: 169/168, 225/224, 325/324
Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 1 11 0 | 0 6 5 -31 14 }}
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1199.981{{c}}, ~6/5 = 317.124{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~6/5 = 317.129{{c}}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0|TBA}}
Badness (Sintel): 0.675


=== 11-limit ===
=== 11-limit ===