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Remove the k-continuum since no one is actively arguing for it. Also remove the 3 & 33c temp, which is unenlighted result of looking at the continuum that way
 
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Because 3et is a record equal temperament in the 2.5 subgroup, there is another way to conceptualize this continuum. The characteristic 2.5-subgroup comma is 128/125, and the interval with a single factor of 3 is 25/24. As such, Godtone has conceptualized this continuum as ''augmented–dicot equivalence continuum''. See [[{{PAGENAME}}/Godtone's approach]].
Others prefer conceptualizing this continuum in terms of {{nowrap| ''k'' {{=}} {{sfrac|1|''n'' − 2}} }} such that temperaments satisfy {{nowrap|(25/24)<sup>''k''</sup> {{=}} 16/15}}. This gives rise to the name ''chromatic–diatonic equivalence continuum'', where both ''chromatic'' and ''diatonic'' refer to the classical versions of semitones. The just value of ''k'' is approximately 1.58097…
{| class="wikitable center-1"
|+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Temperaments with integer ''k''
|-
! rowspan="2" | ''k''
! rowspan="2" | Temperament
! colspan="2" | Comma
|-
! Ratio
! Monzo
|-
| -1
| [[Very low accuracy temperaments #Antonian|Antonian]]
| [[10/9]]
| {{Monzo| 1 -2 1 }}
|-
| 0
| [[Father]]
| [[16/15]]
| {{Monzo| 4 -1 -1 }}
|-
| 1
| [[Augmented (temperament)|Augmented]]
| [[128/125]]
| {{Monzo| 7 0 -3 }}
|-
| 2
| [[Magic]]
| [[3125/3072]]
| {{Monzo| 10 1 -5 }}
|-
| 3
| [[Wesley]]
| 78125/73728
| {{monzo| 13 2 -7 }}
|-
| 4
| 3 & 33c
| 1953125/1769472
| {{Monzo| 16 3 -9 }}
|-
| …
| …
| …
| …
|-
| ∞
| [[Dicot]]
| [[25/24]]
| {{Monzo| -3 -1 2 }}
|}
== 3 & 33c ==
This low-accuracy high-complexity temperament corresponds to {{nowrap| ''n'' {{=}} 9/4 }} and {{nowrap| ''m'' {{=}} 9/5 }}.
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5
[[Comma list]]: 1953125/1769472
{{Mapping|legend=1| 3 2 6 | 0 3 1 }}
: mapping generators: ~125/96, ~5/4
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~125/96 = 401.2633{{c}}, ~5/4 = 367.0585{{c}} (~25/24 = 34.2047{{c}})
: [[error map]]: {{val| +3.790 +1.747 -11.676 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~125/96 = 400.0000{{c}}, ~5/4 = 366.8103{{c}} (~25/24 = 33.1897{{c}})
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -1.524 -19.503 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 3, …, 33c, 36c, 69cc }}
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 16.0


== Mutt (5-limit) ==
== Mutt (5-limit) ==

Latest revision as of 14:43, 22 June 2026

The father–3 equivalence continuum is a continuum of 5-limit temperaments which equate a number of classical diatonic semitones (16/15) with the Pythagorean minor third (32/27).

Note that because 3et is a record equal temperament in the 2.5 subgroup, the continuum can be conceptualized as the augmented–dicot equivalence continuum, which Godtone argues is easier to understand, with characteristic 2.5-subgroup comma 128/125 as the interval with a single factor of 3 is 25/24.

All temperaments in the continuum satisfy (16/15)n ~ 32/27. Varying n results in different temperaments listed in the table below. It converges to father as n approaches infinity. If we allow non-integer and infinite n, the continuum describes the set of all 5-limit temperaments supported by 3edo due to it being the unique equal temperament that tempers both commas and thus tempers all combinations of them. The just value of n is approximately 2.63252…, and temperaments having n near this value tend to be the most accurate ones.

32/27 is the characteristic 3-limit comma tempered out in 3edo. In each case, n equals the order of harmonic 5 in the corresponding comma, and equals the number of steps to obtain the interval class of 3 in the generator chain.

Temperaments with integer n
n Temperament Comma
Ratio Monzo
0 Alteraugment 32/27 [5 -3
1 Antonian 10/9 [1 -2 1
2 Dicot 25/24 [-3 -1 2
3 Augmented 128/125 [7 0 -3
4 Smate 2048/1875 [11 -1 -4
Father 16/15 [4 -1 -1

We may invert the continuum by setting m such that 1/m + 1/n = 1. This may be called the antonian–3 equivalence continuum, which is essentially the same thing. The just value of m is 1.61255…

Temperaments with integer m
m Temperament Comma
Ratio Monzo
0 Alteraugment 32/27 [5 -3
1 Father 16/15 [4 -1 -1
2 Dicot 25/24 [-3 -1 2
Antonian 10/9 [1 -2 1
Temperaments with fractional n and m
n m Temperament Comma
7/3 = 2.3 7/4 = 1.75 Wesley [-13 -2 7
5/2 = 2.5 5/3 = 1.6 Magic [-10 -1 5
21/8 = 2.625 21/13 = 1.615384 Mutt [-44 -3 21
29/11 = 2.63 29/18 = 1.61 Squarschmidt [61 4 -29
8/3 = 2.6 8/5 = 1.6 Würschmidt [17 1 -8
19/7 = 2.714285 19/12 = 1.583 Isnes [41 2 -19
11/4 = 2.75 11/7 = 1.571428 Magus [24 1 -11

Mutt (5-limit)

For extensions, see Horwell temperaments #Mutt.

Subgroup: 2.3.5

Comma list: [-44 -3 21

Mapping[3 -2 6], 0 7 1]]

mapping generators: ~98304/78125, ~5/4

Optimal tunings:

  • WE: ~98304/78125 = 400.0227 ¢, ~5/4 = 386.0017 ¢ (~393216/390625 = 14.0210 ¢)
error map: +0.068 +0.012 -0.176]
  • CWE: ~98304/78125 = 400.0000 ¢, ~5/4 = 385.9858 ¢ (~393216/390625 = 14.0142 ¢)
error map: 0.000 -0.055 -0.328]

Optimal ET sequence84, 87, 171, 771, 942, 1113, 1284, 1455, 4194cc, 5649cc

Badness (Sintel): 3.81

Isnes

Isnes is so called because the generator is half of a 5/2 major tenth, in a similar way that sensi has a generator of half a 5/3 major sixth. This corresponds to n = 19/7 and m = 19/12.

Subgroup: 2.3.5

Comma list: [41 2 -19

Mapping[1 -11 1], 0 19 2]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~3145728/1953125

Optimal tunings:

  • WE: ~2 = 1199.2782 ¢, ~3145728/1953125 = 794.4174 ¢
error map: -0.722 -0.090 +1.799]
  • CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~3145728/1953125 = 794.8728 ¢
error map: 0.000 +0.628 +3.432]

Optimal ET sequence3, 71b, 74, 77, 157, 548ccc

Badness (Sintel): 30.4

Squarschmidt (5-limit)

For extensions, see Hemimage temperaments #Squarschmidt.

A generator for the squarschmidt temperament is the fourth root of 5/2, (5/2)1/4, tuned around 396.6 cents.

Subgroup: 2.3.5

Comma list: [61 4 -29

Mapping[1 -8 1], 0 29 4]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~98304/78125

Optimal tunings:

  • WE: ~2 = 1199.9653 ¢, ~98304/78125 = 396.6094 ¢
error map: -0.099 +0.543 +0.029 -0.719]
  • CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~98304/78125 = 396.6201 ¢
error map: 0.000 +0.653 +0.253 -0.552]

Optimal ET sequence118, 593, 711, 829, 947, 9588cc, 10535cc, 11482ccc

Badness (Sintel): 5.12