Marvel family: Difference between revisions

Sorting (putting prodigy next to undecimal marvel cuz it deserves that spot)
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{{Main| Marvel }}
{{Main| Marvel }}


The head of the marvel family is marvel, which tempers out [[225/224]]. Marvel has a [[normal lists|normal generator list]] of {2, 3, 5}; hence a [[5-limit]] scale can be converted to marvel simply by tempering it. One way to do that, and an excellent marvel tuning, is given by [[197edo]].
The head of the marvel family is marvel, which tempers out [[225/224]]. Marvel has a [[normal forms|normal generator list]] of {2, 3, 5}; hence a [[5-limit]] scale can be converted to marvel simply by tempering it. One way to do that, and an excellent marvel tuning, is given by [[197edo]].


Little is gained in tuning accuracy by not tempering out 4375/4374 as well as 225/224, leading to [[catakleismic]], with which it shares the [[optimal patent val]]. Another temperament which does little damage to tuning accuracy is [[compton]], for which [[240edo]] may be used. See [[marvel temperaments]] for some other rank-2 temperaments.  
Little is gained in tuning accuracy by not tempering out 4375/4374 as well as 225/224, leading to [[catakleismic]], with which it shares the [[optimal patent val]]. Another temperament which does little damage to tuning accuracy is [[compton]], for which [[240edo]] may be used. See [[Marvel temperaments]] for some other rank-2 temperaments.  


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=== Overview to extensions ===
=== Overview to extensions ===
The second comma of the [[Normal lists #Normal interval list|normal comma list]] defines which 11-limit family member we are looking at. 4125/4096 gives unidecimal marvel; 91125/90112 gives prodigy; 5632/5625 gives minerva. These and many others considered below use the same generators as marvel.  
The second comma of the [[normal forms #Normal forms for commas|normal comma list]] defines which 11-limit family member we are looking at. 4125/4096 gives unidecimal marvel; 91125/90112 gives prodigy; 5632/5625 gives minerva. These and many others considered below use the same generators as marvel.  


Temperaments discussed elsewhere include  
Temperaments discussed elsewhere include  
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* ''[[Mirage]]'' (+243/242, +385/384) → [[Rastmic rank-3 clan #Spectacle|Rastmic rank-3 clan]]
* ''[[Mirage]]'' (+243/242, +385/384) → [[Rastmic rank-3 clan #Spectacle|Rastmic rank-3 clan]]


== Undecimal marvel (unimarv) ==
== Undecimal marvel ==
{{Main| Marvel }}
{{Main| Marvel }}
Undecimal marvel tempers out [[385/384]] as well as [[540/539]], and is loosely [[associated temperament|associated]] with [[wizard]]. [[197edo]] remains useful as a tuning, with the 197e val, but [[166edo]], which among other things has a virtually pure 7, works as well.


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[[Complexity spectrum]]: 5/4, 4/3, 7/6, 8/7, 7/5, 6/5, 9/7, 12/11, 9/8, 11/8, 11/9, 10/9, 11/10, 14/11
[[Complexity spectrum]]: 5/4, 4/3, 7/6, 8/7, 7/5, 6/5, 9/7, 12/11, 9/8, 11/8, 11/9, 10/9, 11/10, 14/11
[[Associated temperament]]: [[catakleismic]]


Scales: [[marvel22_11]], [[unimarv19]], [[unimarv22]]
Scales: [[marvel22_11]], [[unimarv19]], [[unimarv22]]
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=== Hecate ===
=== Hecate ===
Hecate tempers out [[325/324]], the marveltwin comma, such that [[16/13]] is found by a stack of two ~[[10/9]]'s, similar to how [[8/7]] is found by a stack of two [[15/14]]~[[16/15]]'s. Hecate has a natural extension to include [[prime interval|prime]] [[19/1|19]], where it further tempers out [[400/399]] and [[513/512]], taking advantage of the factorization 225/224 = (400/399)⋅(513/512). For both of these cases [[166edo]] remains an excellent tuning.
==== 13-limit ====
==== 13-limit ====
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== Prodigy ==
== Prodigy ==
Prodigy shrinks 1024/1029, 243/242, 384/385 and 2400/2401 down to the same tiny interval. Hence in practice it probably makes the most sense to temper this out as well, leading to [[miracle]]. This, however, does not render it pointless to consider prodigy; for one thing, scales in prodigy such as hobbit scales translate into interesting scales for miracle.
Prodigy tempers out [[441/440]] and shrinks [[243/242]], [[385/384|384/385]], [[1029/1024|1024/1029]] and [[2401/2400|2400/2401]] down to the same tiny interval. Hence in practice it probably makes the most sense to temper this out as well, leading to [[miracle]]. This, however, does not render it pointless to consider prodigy; for one thing, scales in prodigy such as [[hobbit]] scales translate into interesting scales for miracle.


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Scales: [[prodigy11]], [[prodigy12]], [[prodigy29]]
Scales: [[prodigy11]], [[prodigy12]], [[prodigy29]]
[[Associated temperament]]: [[miracle]]


{{Databox|Hobbit bases|
{{Databox|Hobbit bases|
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== Minerva ==
== Minerva ==
Minerva tempers out [[99/98]] as well as [[176/175]]. It may be described as 12 & 22 & 31, and is loosely [[associated temperament|associated]] with [[würschmidt]].
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Scales: [[minerva12]], [[minerva22x]]
Scales: [[minerva12]], [[minerva22x]]
[[Associated temperament]]: [[Würschmidt family #Würschmidt|würschmidt]]


=== Athene ===
=== Athene ===
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== Apollo ==
== Apollo ==
{{See also| Ptolemismic clan #Apollo }}
{{See also| Ptolemismic clan #Apollo }}
Apollo tempers out not only [[100/99]] but [[896/891]]. It is notably [[associated temperament|associated]] with [[magic]].


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[[Projection pair]]s: <code>7 225/32 11 100/9</code>
[[Projection pair]]s: <code>7 225/32 11 100/9</code>
[[Associated temperament]]: [[magic]]


Scales: [[apollo wholetone]], [[indigo17]]
Scales: [[apollo wholetone]], [[indigo17]]