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===5L 2s===

The [[5L 2s]] scale is generated by taking seven adjacent tones from the Circle of Fifths, just as it is in 12edo. Melodies and chords made using this scale will sound nearly identical to those that can be made using 12edo.

The [[5L 2s]] scale is generated by taking seven adjacent tones from the Circle of Fifths, just as it is in 12edo. Melodies and chords made using this scale will sound nearly identical to those that can be made using 12edo, with the notable exception of the tritone (which comes in two distinct forms depending on which mode it's found in).

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===4L 5s===

The [[4L 5s]] scale takes the role of a diminished scale in 29edo~~. Since~~ four minor thirds fall short of the octave, the chain of minor thirds can be extended into this enneatonic form. Note how the four bright modes resemble the pattern of the familiar octatonic scale, with one of the small steps duplicated, and the four darkest modes resemble the rotated variant of that scale; additionally, there is a symmetrical mode that is entirely new to 29edo.

The [[4L 5s]] scale takes the role of a diminished scale in 29edo: since four minor thirds fall short of the octave, the chain of minor thirds can be extended into this enneatonic form. Note how the four bright modes resemble the pattern of the familiar octatonic scale, with one of the small steps duplicated, and the four darkest modes resemble the rotated variant of that scale; additionally, there is a symmetrical mode that is entirely new to 29edo.

The mode names for this scale are given by Lilly Flores.

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===3L 5s===

Similarly to the minor third, the major third of 29edo also does not close at the octave, allowing us to create an octatonic augmented scale. Just like the diminished scale, notice how the three brightest modes resemble the bright mode of the [[3L 6s|Tcherepnin scale]], with one of the nine steps omitted; the three darkest modes similarly resemble the dark mode of that scale; and the remaining two modes both resemble the symmetrical mode of Tcherepnin.

Similarly to the minor third, the major third of 29edo also does not close at the octave, allowing us to create an [[3L 5s|octatonic augmented scale]]. Just like the diminished scale, notice how the three brightest modes resemble the bright mode of the [[3L 6s|Tcherepnin scale]], with one of the nine steps omitted; the three darkest modes similarly resemble the dark mode of that scale; and the remaining two modes both resemble the symmetrical mode of Tcherepnin.

The mode names for this scale are given by [[User:R-4981|R-4981]].

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=== 3L 4s ===

~~The first truly unheard-of scale~~ that ~~29edo pulls off~~ is its approximation of the neutral scale ~~by stacking the downmajor third seven times~~. Like 4L 3s, this scale uses harmony based on upfifths and downfifths rather than normal perfect fifths, which makes its harmony more distant from familiar structures. Just like 5L 3s, it can be compared to the Tcherepnin scale, and as such it relies on augmented ~~triads~~ as its source of harmony; however, this scale pattern removes two of the nine Tcherepnin steps rather than three, reducing it to a more standard heptatonic form.

29edo additionally offers scales that 12edo cannot remotely approximate; among these is its approximation of the [[3L 4s|neutral scale]], made via a stack of submajor sevenths. Like 4L 3s, this scale uses harmony based on upfifths and downfifths rather than normal perfect fifths, which makes its harmony more distant from familiar structures. Just like 5L 3s, it can be compared to the Tcherepnin scale, and as such it relies on a kind of augmented triad as its main source of harmony; however, this scale pattern removes two of the nine Tcherepnin steps rather than three, reducing it to a more standard heptatonic form.

The modes names for this scale are given by [[Andrew Heathwaite]]. They can also be named by comparing two diatonic modes.

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=== 5L 1s ===

Just like the thirds, we can notice that the whole tones in 29edo do not close at the octave; instead, we see that five whole tones exceed the minor seventh by an edostep. However, the octave can still be closed by employing a diminished third to act as a "wolf" version of the whole tone; this leads to ~~the~~ scale ~~having~~ six distinct modes, rather than having an identical pattern on every degree as 12edo had.

Just like the thirds, we can notice that the whole tones in 29edo do not close at the octave; instead, we see that five whole tones exceed the minor seventh by an edostep. However, the octave can still be closed by employing a diminished third to act as a "wolf" version of the whole tone; this leads to [[5L 1s|a whole tone scale that has six distinct modes]], rather than having an identical pattern on every degree as 12edo had.

The mode names for this scale are given by Lilly Flores.

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=== 3L 2M 2s ===

In terms of its harmonies and melodies, [[Nicetone|3L 2M 2s]] acts as a half-way point between 5L 2s and 3L 4s. The scale is generated using an alternating stack of wide and narrow neutral thirds; as such, the thirds are neutral like 3L 4s, but its fifths are perfect like 5L 2s, which makes it a very interesting extension of ideas from both MOS scales. Additionally, the wide neutral third is closer to 5/4 than the diatonic major third is (though admittedly not by a lot), which makes the ~~downmajor~~ triad a decent analog to the [[4:5:6]] triad that is so prevalent in 5-limit music.

In terms of its harmonies and melodies, [[Nicetone|3L 2M 2s]] acts as a half-way point between 5L 2s and 3L 4s. The scale is generated using an alternating stack of wide and narrow neutral thirds; as such, the thirds are neutral like 3L 4s, but its fifths are perfect like 5L 2s, which makes it a very interesting extension of ideas from both MOS scales. Additionally, the wide neutral third is closer to 5/4 than the diatonic major third is (though admittedly not by a lot), which makes the submajor triad a decent analog to the [[4:5:6]] triad that is so prevalent in 5-limit music.

There are two chiralities of the 3L 2M 2s scale based on which of the two neutral thirds you stack first; using the wider third first yields the right-hand version of the scale, while using the narrower third first yields the left-hand version.

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=== 5L 2M 3s ===

The [[Blackdye|5L 2M 3s]] scale is an extension of 3L 2M 2s that adds three additional tones, created by inserting a dietic step into each of the large steps, and unifies the two chiralities of the modes. It can also be constructed using two pentatonic scales of 2L 3s, where the roots of the scales differ by an interval of 4\29~~; this~~ construction allows us to separate the ten modes into five "acute" modes and five "grave" modes~~, with~~ the grave modes place the root somewhere in the flatter pentatonic, and the acute modes place the root on the sharper one.

The [[Blackdye|5L 2M 3s]] scale is an extension of 3L 2M 2s that adds three additional tones, created by inserting a dietic step into each of the large steps, and unifies the two chiralities of the modes. It can also be constructed using two pentatonic scales of [[2L 3s]], where the roots of the scales differ by an interval of 4\29. This construction allows us to separate the ten modes into five "acute" modes and five "grave" modes: the grave modes place the root somewhere in the flatter pentatonic, and the acute modes place the root on the sharper one.

By noticing that the spacer 4\29 differs from the pentatonic large step by a chroma, we can most effectively notate the scale by treating that spacer as a diminished third; while the usage of double-flats in the grave modes and double-sharps in the acute modes makes this notation seem a bit unruly at first, it bypasses the additional ups and downs that would be necessitated if we were to treat the spacer as a ~~downmajor~~ second or an upchroma.

By noticing that the spacer 4\29 differs from the pentatonic large step by a chroma, we can most effectively notate the scale by treating that spacer as a diminished third; while the usage of double-flats in the grave modes and double-sharps in the acute modes makes this notation seem a bit unruly at first, it bypasses the additional ups and downs that would be necessitated if we were to treat the spacer as a submajor second or an upchroma.

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|+Grave Modes of 5L 2M 3s

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29edo has three unique types of leading tones: from narrowest to widest, they are the [[Pythagorean comma|diesis]] (1\29), the [[256/243|semitone]] (2\29), and the [[2187/2048|chroma]] (3\29). Of the three, the semitone has the strongest pull; it is narrow enough to create tension (whereas the wider chroma is often more recognizable as a regular melodic small step) while being wide enough to be recognized as a distinct interval (whereas the diesis acts more like an enharmonic alteration of the same note).

Finally, it is important to recognize certain tense intervals that resolve via contrary motion to certain perfect consonances. Notably, 14th century composer and theorist [[wikipedia:Marchetto_da_Padova|Marchetto de Padova]] used the interordinal intervals as counterpoint dissonances: two notes a semisixth apart (11\29) can resolve outwards by a chroma (or more accurately, the enharmonically equivalent upminor second) to create a perfect fifth, and two notes a semifourth apart (6\29) can resolve outwards by a chroma to reach a perfect fourth, or ~~outwards~~ to reach a unison. These paradigms can be reversed to account for the octave complements of those ~~notes~~.

Finally, it is important to recognize certain tense intervals that resolve via contrary motion to certain perfect consonances. Notably, 14th century composer and theorist [[wikipedia:Marchetto_da_Padova|Marchetto de Padova]] used the interordinal intervals as counterpoint dissonances: two notes a semisixth apart (11\29) can resolve outwards by a chroma (or more accurately, the enharmonically equivalent upminor second) to create a perfect fifth, and two notes a semifourth apart (6\29) can resolve outwards by a chroma to reach a perfect fourth, or inwards to reach a unison. These paradigms can be reversed to account for the octave complements of those intervals.

=== Example: Progression in C Vivecan ===

The Vivecan mode of 4L 3s does not contain a perfect fifth over the root, which may make it difficult to root the mode; however, it does contain an upfifth over the root, whereas five of the other six degrees have downfifths instead, so we may be able to create believable resolutions by using harmonic patterns to "convince" ourselves that the upfifth is more resolved than the downfifth.

Firstly, we can notice that vA and vB ~~are separated by~~ a downchthonic, which can resolve by contrary motion to ^G and C; this mimics the perfect chthonic's tendency to resolve to the perfect fifth in a similar fashion. Thus, we can use the ''vA vct ^4'' chord (with degrees vA, vB, and D) as a useful lead into the ''C ^min ^5'' tonic (with degrees C, ^E♭, and ^G).

Firstly, we can notice that the major second between vA and vB is enharmonically equivalent to a downchthonic, which can resolve by contrary motion to ^G and C; this mimics the perfect chthonic's tendency to resolve to the perfect fifth in a similar fashion. Thus, we can use the ''vA vct ^4'' chord (with degrees vA, vB, and D) as a useful lead into the ''C ^min ^5'' tonic (with degrees C, ^E♭, and ^G).

By noticing that the vA and D also occur in the ''D ^min v5'' supertonic, we can use that triad as a predominant that leads nicely into the vA chord. The movement by an upfourth from the dyad ^F-vA to vB-D creates a pseudo circle-of-fifths rotation, making this progression feel more coherent than it might look at first.

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 ===5L 2s===
-The [[5L 2s]] scale is generated by taking seven adjacent tones from the Circle of Fifths, just as it is in 12edo.  Melodies and chords made using this scale will sound nearly identical to those that can be made using 12edo.
+The [[5L 2s]] scale is generated by taking seven adjacent tones from the Circle of Fifths, just as it is in 12edo.  Melodies and chords made using this scale will sound nearly identical to those that can be made using 12edo, with the notable exception of the tritone (which comes in two distinct forms depending on which mode it's found in).
 {| class="wikitable sortable mw-collapsible"
 |+ style="font-size: 105%;" |Modes of 5L 2s
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 |}
 ===4L 5s===
-The [[4L 5s]] scale takes the role of a diminished scale in 29edo.  Since four minor thirds fall short of the octave, the chain of minor thirds can be extended into this enneatonic form.  Note how the four bright modes resemble the pattern of the familiar octatonic scale, with one of the small steps duplicated, and the four darkest modes resemble the rotated variant of that scale; additionally, there is a symmetrical mode that is entirely new to 29edo.
+The [[4L 5s]] scale takes the role of a diminished scale in 29edo: since four minor thirds fall short of the octave, the chain of minor thirds can be extended into this enneatonic form.  Note how the four bright modes resemble the pattern of the familiar octatonic scale, with one of the small steps duplicated, and the four darkest modes resemble the rotated variant of that scale; additionally, there is a symmetrical mode that is entirely new to 29edo.
 The mode names for this scale are given by Lilly Flores.
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 |}
 ===3L 5s===
-Similarly to the minor third, the major third of 29edo also does not close at the octave, allowing us to create an octatonic augmented scale.  Just like the diminished scale, notice how the three brightest modes resemble the bright mode of the [[3L 6s|Tcherepnin scale]], with one of the nine steps omitted; the three darkest modes similarly resemble the dark mode of that scale; and the remaining two modes both resemble the symmetrical mode of Tcherepnin.
+Similarly to the minor third, the major third of 29edo also does not close at the octave, allowing us to create an [[3L 5s|octatonic augmented scale]].  Just like the diminished scale, notice how the three brightest modes resemble the bright mode of the [[3L 6s|Tcherepnin scale]], with one of the nine steps omitted; the three darkest modes similarly resemble the dark mode of that scale; and the remaining two modes both resemble the symmetrical mode of Tcherepnin.
 The mode names for this scale are given by [[User:R-4981|R-4981]].
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 === 3L 4s ===
-The first truly unheard-of scale that 29edo pulls off is its approximation of the neutral scale by stacking the downmajor third seven times.  Like 4L 3s, this scale uses harmony based on upfifths and downfifths rather than normal perfect fifths, which makes its harmony more distant from familiar structures.  Just like 5L 3s, it can be compared to the Tcherepnin scale, and as such it relies on augmented triads as its source of harmony; however, this scale pattern removes two of the nine Tcherepnin steps rather than three, reducing it to a more standard heptatonic form.
+edo additionally offers scales that 12edo cannot remotely approximate; among these is its approximation of the [[3L 4s|neutral scale]], made via a stack of submajor sevenths.  Like 4L 3s, this scale uses harmony based on upfifths and downfifths rather than normal perfect fifths, which makes its harmony more distant from familiar structures.  Just like 5L 3s, it can be compared to the Tcherepnin scale, and as such it relies on a kind of augmented triad as its main source of harmony; however, this scale pattern removes two of the nine Tcherepnin steps rather than three, reducing it to a more standard heptatonic form.
 The modes names for this scale are given by [[Andrew Heathwaite]].  They can also be named by comparing two diatonic modes.
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 === 5L 1s ===
-Just like the thirds, we can notice that the whole tones in 29edo do not close at the octave; instead, we see that five whole tones exceed the minor seventh by an edostep.  However, the octave can still be closed by employing a diminished third to act as a "wolf" version of the whole tone; this leads to the scale having six distinct modes, rather than having an identical pattern on every degree as 12edo had.
+Just like the thirds, we can notice that the whole tones in 29edo do not close at the octave; instead, we see that five whole tones exceed the minor seventh by an edostep.  However, the octave can still be closed by employing a diminished third to act as a "wolf" version of the whole tone; this leads to [[5L 1s|a whole tone scale that has six distinct modes]], rather than having an identical pattern on every degree as 12edo had.
 The mode names for this scale are given by Lilly Flores.
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 === 3L 2M 2s ===
-In terms of its harmonies and melodies, [[Nicetone|3L 2M 2s]] acts as a half-way point between 5L 2s and 3L 4s.  The scale is generated using an alternating stack of wide and narrow neutral thirds; as such, the thirds are neutral like 3L 4s, but its fifths are perfect like 5L 2s, which makes it a very interesting extension of ideas from both MOS scales.  Additionally, the wide neutral third is closer to 5/4 than the diatonic major third is (though admittedly not by a lot), which makes the downmajor triad a decent analog to the [[4:5:6]] triad that is so prevalent in 5-limit music.
+In terms of its harmonies and melodies, [[Nicetone|3L 2M 2s]] acts as a half-way point between 5L 2s and 3L 4s.  The scale is generated using an alternating stack of wide and narrow neutral thirds; as such, the thirds are neutral like 3L 4s, but its fifths are perfect like 5L 2s, which makes it a very interesting extension of ideas from both MOS scales.  Additionally, the wide neutral third is closer to 5/4 than the diatonic major third is (though admittedly not by a lot), which makes the submajor triad a decent analog to the [[4:5:6]] triad that is so prevalent in 5-limit music.
 There are two chiralities of the 3L 2M 2s scale based on which of the two neutral thirds you stack first; using the wider third first yields the right-hand version of the scale, while using the narrower third first yields the left-hand version.
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 === 5L 2M 3s ===
-The [[Blackdye|5L 2M 3s]] scale is an extension of 3L 2M 2s that adds three additional tones, created by inserting a dietic step into each of the large steps, and unifies the two chiralities of the modes.  It can also be constructed using two pentatonic scales of 2L 3s, where the roots of the scales differ by an interval of 4\29; this construction allows us to separate the ten modes into five "acute" modes and five "grave" modes, with the grave modes place the root somewhere in the flatter pentatonic, and the acute modes place the root on the sharper one.
+The [[Blackdye|5L 2M 3s]] scale is an extension of 3L 2M 2s that adds three additional tones, created by inserting a dietic step into each of the large steps, and unifies the two chiralities of the modes.  It can also be constructed using two pentatonic scales of [[2L 3s]], where the roots of the scales differ by an interval of 4\29.  This construction allows us to separate the ten modes into five "acute" modes and five "grave" modes: the grave modes place the root somewhere in the flatter pentatonic, and the acute modes place the root on the sharper one.
-By noticing that the spacer 4\29 differs from the pentatonic large step by a chroma, we can most effectively notate the scale by treating that spacer as a diminished third; while the usage of double-flats in the grave modes and double-sharps in the acute modes makes this notation seem a bit unruly at first, it bypasses the additional ups and downs that would be necessitated if we were to treat the spacer as a downmajor second or an upchroma.
+By noticing that the spacer 4\29 differs from the pentatonic large step by a chroma, we can most effectively notate the scale by treating that spacer as a diminished third; while the usage of double-flats in the grave modes and double-sharps in the acute modes makes this notation seem a bit unruly at first, it bypasses the additional ups and downs that would be necessitated if we were to treat the spacer as a submajor second or an upchroma.
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 edo has three unique types of leading tones: from narrowest to widest, they are the [[Pythagorean comma|diesis]] (1\29), the [[256/243|semitone]] (2\29), and the [[2187/2048|chroma]] (3\29).  Of the three, the semitone has the strongest pull; it is narrow enough to create tension (whereas the wider chroma is often more recognizable as a regular melodic small step) while being wide enough to be recognized as a distinct interval (whereas the diesis acts more like an enharmonic alteration of the same note).
-Finally, it is important to recognize certain tense intervals that resolve via contrary motion to certain perfect consonances.  Notably, 14th century composer and theorist [[wikipedia:Marchetto_da_Padova|Marchetto de Padova]] used the interordinal intervals as counterpoint dissonances: two notes a semisixth apart (11\29) can resolve outwards by a chroma (or more accurately, the enharmonically equivalent upminor second) to create a perfect fifth, and two notes a semifourth apart (6\29) can resolve outwards by a chroma to reach a perfect fourth, or outwards to reach a unison.  These paradigms can be reversed to account for the octave complements of those notes.
+Finally, it is important to recognize certain tense intervals that resolve via contrary motion to certain perfect consonances.  Notably, 14th century composer and theorist [[wikipedia:Marchetto_da_Padova|Marchetto de Padova]] used the interordinal intervals as counterpoint dissonances: two notes a semisixth apart (11\29) can resolve outwards by a chroma (or more accurately, the enharmonically equivalent upminor second) to create a perfect fifth, and two notes a semifourth apart (6\29) can resolve outwards by a chroma to reach a perfect fourth, or inwards to reach a unison.  These paradigms can be reversed to account for the octave complements of those intervals.
 === Example: Progression in C Vivecan ===
 The Vivecan mode of 4L 3s does not contain a perfect fifth over the root, which may make it difficult to root the mode; however, it does contain an upfifth over the root, whereas five of the other six degrees have downfifths instead, so we may be able to create believable resolutions by using harmonic patterns to "convince" ourselves that the upfifth is more resolved than the downfifth.
-Firstly, we can notice that vA and vB are separated by a downchthonic, which can resolve by contrary motion to ^G and C; this mimics the perfect chthonic's tendency to resolve to the perfect fifth in a similar fashion.  Thus, we can use the ''vA vct ^4'' chord (with degrees vA, vB, and D) as a useful lead into the ''C ^min ^5'' tonic (with degrees C, ^E♭, and ^G).
+Firstly, we can notice that the major second between vA and vB is enharmonically equivalent to a downchthonic, which can resolve by contrary motion to ^G and C; this mimics the perfect chthonic's tendency to resolve to the perfect fifth in a similar fashion.  Thus, we can use the ''vA vct ^4'' chord (with degrees vA, vB, and D) as a useful lead into the ''C ^min ^5'' tonic (with degrees C, ^E♭, and ^G).
 By noticing that the vA and D also occur in the ''D ^min v5'' supertonic, we can use that triad as a predominant that leads nicely into the vA chord.  The movement by an upfourth from the dyad ^F-vA to vB-D creates a pseudo circle-of-fifths rotation, making this progression feel more coherent than it might look at first.