Talk:256/255: Difference between revisions

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:: "Charisma" is already used for the name of temperament, a 13-limit extension of the horcrux (3def & 19). I disagree this proposal for avoiding an extra confusion. Instead, I have proposed an alternative name for 256/255: "diasemitonisma". By tempering out both 256/255 and 289/288 derives a 2.3.5.17 extension of the 5-limit srutal (12 & 34), member of the diaschismic family. "Diasemitonisma" is a contraction of "diatonic", "semitone" and "diaschisma" into a single word, and also from "dia-" (diatonic) + "semitonisma". --[[User:Xenllium|Xenllium]] ([[User talk:Xenllium|talk]]) 11:50, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

::: I already answered this above; I have reduplicated it below. But importantly, these temperaments already have to be renamed because they are inconsistent with the "-isma" suffix being used for commas and "-ismic" for full-prime-limit temperaments and "-ic" for minimal prime subgroup temperaments. There is other reasonings for renaming these temperaments too, such as that they are not very accurate and so harmonically would mainly make sense as a mapping scheme underlying an AGS scale, but also that it seems absurd to associate the English words "charisma" and "charismic" to Harry Potter of all things. But I don't want to repeat everything above so if you want more reasonings please read fully.

::: I already answered this above; I have reduplicated it below. But importantly, these temperaments already have to be renamed because they are inconsistent with the "-isma" suffix being used for commas and "-ismic" for full-prime-limit temperaments and "-ic" for minimal prime subgroup temperaments. There is other reasonings for renaming these temperaments too, such as that they are not very accurate and so harmonically would mainly make sense as a mapping scheme underlying an AGS scale, but also that it seems absurd to associate the English words "charisma" and "charismic" to Harry Potter of all things. But I don't want to repeat everything above so if you want more reasonings please read fully. --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 16:16, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

:::: In that case, I propose "tridecimal horcrux" and "septendecimal horcrux" for [[13-limit]] and [[17-limit]] charisma respectively, and "horcruxic" for "charismic". This also has the advantage of being very straightforward and easy to memorise without undermining the naming theme. --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 16:58, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

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:::::: I prefer the cookie-cutter names for their simplicity and avoidance of introducing new names but if people prefer charmstone and charmstonic I don't really mind all that much, because "charm" does seem different enough from "charisma"/"charismic" and seems more specifically related to magic too (so potentially more fitting). Also, not sure where to put this but it's maybe worth noting that this comma is very important in [[srutal archagall]] as that temperament can equivalently (and very notably from the perspective of [[S-expression]]s) be described as "semitonic charismic". --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 00:05, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

::: Also, in regards to the alternative name "diasemitonisma", it strikes me as a bit cumbersome to describe the 2.3.5.17[12 & 22] temperament as "diasemitonic semitonic". It's not a bad name per se but what's wrong with the name change proposal? Charisma and Charismic already need renaming anyways and there are two fairly obvious options that seem fine and clearly related for what to change them to.

::: Also, in regards to the alternative name "diasemitonisma", it strikes me as a bit cumbersome to describe the 2.3.5.17[12 & 22] temperament as "diasemitonic semitonic". It's not a bad name per se but what's wrong with the name change proposal? Charisma and Charismic already need renaming anyways and there are two fairly obvious options that seem fine and clearly related for what to change them to. --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 16:16, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

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 :: "Charisma" is already used for the name of temperament, a 13-limit extension of the horcrux (3def &amp; 19). I disagree this proposal for avoiding an extra confusion. Instead, I have proposed an alternative name for 256/255: "diasemitonisma". By tempering out both 256/255 and 289/288 derives a 2.3.5.17 extension of the 5-limit srutal (12 &amp; 34), member of the diaschismic family. "Diasemitonisma" is a contraction of "diatonic", "semitone" and "diaschisma" into a single word, and also from "dia-" (diatonic) + "semitonisma". --[[User:Xenllium|Xenllium]] ([[User talk:Xenllium|talk]]) 11:50, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
-::: I already answered this above; I have reduplicated it below. But importantly, these temperaments already have to be renamed because they are inconsistent with the "-isma" suffix being used for commas and "-ismic" for full-prime-limit temperaments and "-ic" for minimal prime subgroup temperaments. There is other reasonings for renaming these temperaments too, such as that they are not very accurate and so harmonically would mainly make sense as a mapping scheme underlying an AGS scale, but also that it seems absurd to associate the English words "charisma" and "charismic" to Harry Potter of all things. But I don't want to repeat everything above so if you want more reasonings please read fully.
+::: I already answered this above; I have reduplicated it below. But importantly, these temperaments already have to be renamed because they are inconsistent with the "-isma" suffix being used for commas and "-ismic" for full-prime-limit temperaments and "-ic" for minimal prime subgroup temperaments. There is other reasonings for renaming these temperaments too, such as that they are not very accurate and so harmonically would mainly make sense as a mapping scheme underlying an AGS scale, but also that it seems absurd to associate the English words "charisma" and "charismic" to Harry Potter of all things. But I don't want to repeat everything above so if you want more reasonings please read fully. --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 16:16, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 :::: In that case, I propose "tridecimal horcrux" and "septendecimal horcrux" for [[13-limit]] and [[17-limit]] charisma respectively, and "horcruxic" for "charismic". This also has the advantage of being very straightforward and easy to memorise without undermining the naming theme. --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 16:58, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
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 :::::: I prefer the cookie-cutter names for their simplicity and avoidance of introducing new names but if people prefer charmstone and charmstonic I don't really mind all that much, because "charm" does seem different enough from "charisma"/"charismic" and seems more specifically related to magic too (so potentially more fitting). Also, not sure where to put this but it's maybe worth noting that this comma is very important in [[srutal archagall]] as that temperament can equivalently (and very notably from the perspective of [[S-expression]]s) be described as "semitonic charismic". --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 00:05, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
-::: Also, in regards to the alternative name "diasemitonisma", it strikes me as a bit cumbersome to describe the 2.3.5.17[12 & 22] temperament as "diasemitonic semitonic". It's not a bad name per se but what's wrong with the name change proposal? Charisma and Charismic already need renaming anyways and there are two fairly obvious options that seem fine and clearly related for what to change them to.
+::: Also, in regards to the alternative name "diasemitonisma", it strikes me as a bit cumbersome to describe the 2.3.5.17[12 & 22] temperament as "diasemitonic semitonic". It's not a bad name per se but what's wrong with the name change proposal? Charisma and Charismic already need renaming anyways and there are two fairly obvious options that seem fine and clearly related for what to change them to. --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 16:16, 5 January 2024 (UTC)