Talk:Marvel temperaments: Difference between revisions

: --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 17:30, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

: I went ahead and made the two proposed changes for now. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 18:01, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

:: Negri has a dedicated article so these redirects should definitely go there. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 07:34, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

::: You definitely know more about wiki conventions, so if that is the redirect path that readers should expect, then I'll gladly defer to you on this point. Thanks as always for your attention to the cleanliness of the wiki. (And by the way, thanks too for cleaning up my bare links; I think you've done that for me before, and I'll try to be more mindful of that moving forward.)

::: But if Negripent and Negrisept both simply redirect to the top of the Negri page, then shouldn't we explain the findings of my research above somewhere there? With my redirects, the fact that these refer to 5-limit and 7-limit negri, respectively, was at least implicit. My concern is that your recent edits have removed this important information entirely.

::: I can see that if we added a statement to the Negri page that ''explicitly'' explains things — and explains fully — how negripent and negrisept are out-of-use historical names for 5-limit and 7-limit negri, then I think this could be a best-of-both-worlds solution. Do you agree, or have I misunderstood anything? Thank you for this opportunity to further improve. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 15:36, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

:::: I think the wiki should be uniform in its usage (or "not-usage") of the -pent and -sept suffixes. If negripent and negrisept are considered out of use, then should sensipent and sensisept also be considered out of use, and so on?

:::: Also, the redirects should point to the page about the topic. The out-of-use historical names can be mentioned in a "history" section at the top of the page, just below the lead section, but the redirects do not need to point to the section, because people looking for "negripent" are most likely looking to learn about the temperament, not about the terminology changes. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 18:30, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

::::: I agree that the wiki should be uniform about its treatment of the "-pent" and "-sept" suffixes. Perhaps I shouldn't have been so confident when I wrote above that they are out-of-use. I assumed this because I only just learned their meaning from doing my research recently, which is documented above. The first occurrences of "dimisept" and "sensisept" on the wiki are in this discussion thread! "Dimipent" and "sensipent" both do however occur elsewhere. Are you aware of any other temperaments which use this pattern?

::::: We should also learn whether suffixes of this type have ever been used for further prime limits past 5 and 7. I'm not sure if they have. I suppose the pattern could continue with "-undec", "-tredec", etc., as in "negriundec" or "sensitredec".  

::::: For what it's worth, I don't like this pattern. It's mostly only because using prefixes as suffixes bothers me from a linguistic standpoint. But this isn't only a pedantic point. I personally went for many years without understanding what these names meant, and it's primarily because I didn't recognize them as prefixes given that they were used as suffixes.

::::: Anyway, it sounds like you agree with my proposal to add this historical information about these names to the Negri page, and have given some extra detail on how it could be executed. I agree with your details. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 18:54, 21 June 2023 (UTC)