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: As discussed in the Discord server, I'm adding ''sharp fifth'' and ''flat fifth'' for dual-fifth edos. I define a dual fifth edo as those whose error of the fifth is greater than 1/3 edostep, since it is the point where the approximation of the major second (9/8) becomes better than the fifth (3/2) itself, and where doubling the edo guarantees a better fifth. For dual-fifth edos, I'd like to reflect their two typical interpretations as 2.3-.3+ and 2.9, so we'll use ''sharp fifth'', ''flat fifth'', and ''major 2nd''. For other edos, ''fifth'' and ''semitones''. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 18:32, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

: I have a strong preference for M2, m2 and A1 all spelled out like they used to be, like this:

: M2: 4\22 (218¢)

: m2: 1\22 (55¢)

: A1: 3\22 (164¢)

: There's almost always room on the page, since the infobox sits opposite the table of contents. The various L/s ratios can be read quite easily. Diatonic is 4:1, chromatic is 3:1. Heck, you can even figure out that 2L3s[5] is 5:4 pretty easily. -- [[User:TallKite|TallKite]] ([[User talk:TallKite|talk]]) 00:08, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

:: Before this was even decided CompactStar added a M3 line instead. I'd say I don't find a use for either M2 or M3 cuz I'm accustomed to apprehending the edo structure by chromatic ratios. 41edo is 4:3, 53edo is 5:4 etc. The M3 is particularly questionable. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 08:05, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

::: The only thing I can think of as a use for a modified version of the M3 line is as the representation for [[5/4]] for systems that have a consistent representation of it- and this merely because 5/4 is such a common reference point for major thirds. I wouldn't bother with those systems where 5/4 can reasonably be mapped to one of two possible EDO-steps. Other than that, I do indeed think that adding the M3 line is questionable. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 15:31, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

:::: There's the prime harmonics table for that, and assuming the diatonic major third to be consistent with 5/4 is very meantone-centric anyway. The semitone ratio is already plenty of information. I agree that the M3 field should be removed, because it adds more clutter for no new significant information. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 22:11, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

== Consistency level ==

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: Deprecating monotonicity. It wasn't a considerate decision. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

== Highly composite sequence past 5040 ==

The template shows [[9240edo]] as highly composite, yet it's not a member of the highly composite sequence, it's only largely composite. Also, past 5040 the sequences split into highly composite and superabundant so it would be worthy to get this noted. [[User:Eliora|Eliora]] ([[User talk:Eliora|talk]]) 23:17, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

== Ed4 navigation ==

At the moment, if you are on a page for an ed4, say for example 5ed4, then the the "'''<--'''" and "'''-->'''" links will link to '''4ed4''' and '''6ed4''', both of which will immediately redirect you to the relevant edo page (2edo or 3edo):

I think this is a bit of a hinderance for navigation. It would be more helpful, I think, for "'''<--'''" and "'''-->'''" to link to '''3ed4''' and '''7ed4''', instead of 4ed4 and 6ed4.

Similar problems may also occur with other non-prime EDs (ed6, ed8, ed9, ed10, etc.), I haven't checked.

--[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 07:29, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

: As of now, this is resolved for ed4's, ed9's, and ed9/4's. Ed8's may still link to edos. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 11:49, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

== Automatic link to xen-calc? ==

Would it be hard to add an automatic to xen-calc like the template for intervals has? (Something like "Open this temperament in xen-calc".) [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 22:15, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

: It should be possible, although I will note that only edos are supported in xen-calc (i.e. nonoctave equal tunings are not supported), and large edos will either take a long time to load; for instance, 1000edo just took me 30 seconds to load. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 02:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

== Wrong step size at 0EDO ==

This template shows step size 0 ¢ for 0EDO [[Single-pitch tuning]]. That is wrong because it is either undefined because of division by zero or infinity as a limit of ‹x›EDO for ‹x› going to zero. To be consistent with the article, I think that it should show step size ∞ ¢. The article says “As a result of the step size of 0edo being infinite, the relative error of all intervals is zero.”.

[[User:Matěȷ|Matěȷ]] ([[User talk:Matěȷ|talk]]) 19:16, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

== Make zeta optional ==

As has been discussed before, I don't believe zeta list status is worth being so prominantly displayed in the infobox. Preferably this information is made opt-in and thereby turned off for most of the edo pages.

– [[User:Sintel|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel|talk]]) 17:46, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

: Done. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 18:34, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

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 : As discussed in the Discord server, I'm adding ''sharp fifth'' and ''flat fifth'' for dual-fifth edos. I define a dual fifth edo as those whose error of the fifth is greater than 1/3 edostep, since it is the point where the approximation of the major second (9/8) becomes better than the fifth (3/2) itself, and where doubling the edo guarantees a better fifth. For dual-fifth edos, I'd like to reflect their two typical interpretations as 2.3-.3+ and 2.9, so we'll use ''sharp fifth'', ''flat fifth'', and ''major 2nd''. For other edos, ''fifth'' and ''semitones''. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 18:32, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
+: I have a strong preference for M2, m2 and A1 all spelled out like they used to be, like this:
+: M2: 4\22 (218¢)
+: m2: 1\22 (55¢)
+: A1: 3\22 (164¢)
+: There's almost always room on the page, since the infobox sits opposite the table of contents. The various L/s ratios can be read quite easily. Diatonic is 4:1, chromatic is 3:1. Heck, you can even figure out that 2L3s[5] is 5:4 pretty easily. -- [[User:TallKite|TallKite]] ([[User talk:TallKite|talk]]) 00:08, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
+:: Before this was even decided CompactStar added a M3 line instead. I'd say I don't find a use for either M2 or M3 cuz I'm accustomed to apprehending the edo structure by chromatic ratios. 41edo is 4:3, 53edo is 5:4 etc. The M3 is particularly questionable. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 08:05, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
+::: The only thing I can think of as a use for a modified version of the M3 line is as the representation for [[5/4]] for systems that have a consistent representation of it- and this merely because 5/4 is such a common reference point for major thirds.  I wouldn't bother with those systems where 5/4 can reasonably be mapped to one of two possible EDO-steps.  Other than that, I do indeed think that adding the M3 line is questionable. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 15:31, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
+:::: There's the prime harmonics table for that, and assuming the diatonic major third to be consistent with 5/4 is very meantone-centric anyway. The semitone ratio is already plenty of information. I agree that the M3 field should be removed, because it adds more clutter for no new significant information. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 22:11, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 == Consistency level ==
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 : Deprecating monotonicity. It wasn't a considerate decision. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
+== Highly composite sequence past 5040 ==
+The template shows [[9240edo]] as highly composite, yet it's not a member of the highly composite sequence, it's only largely composite. Also, past 5040 the sequences split into highly composite and superabundant so it would be worthy to get this noted. [[User:Eliora|Eliora]] ([[User talk:Eliora|talk]]) 23:17, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
+== Ed4 navigation ==
+{{Infobox ET|5ed4|debug=1}}
+At the moment, if you are on a page for an ed4, say for example 5ed4, then the the "'''<--'''" and "'''-->'''" links will link to '''4ed4''' and '''6ed4''', both of which will immediately redirect you to the relevant edo page (2edo or 3edo):
+I think this is a bit of a hinderance for navigation. It would be more helpful, I think, for "'''<--'''" and "'''-->'''" to link to '''3ed4''' and '''7ed4''', instead of 4ed4 and 6ed4.
+Similar problems may also occur with other non-prime EDs (ed6, ed8, ed9, ed10, etc.), I haven't checked.
+--[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 07:29, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
+: As of now, this is resolved for ed4's, ed9's, and ed9/4's. Ed8's may still link to edos. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 11:49, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
+== Automatic link to xen-calc? ==
+Would it be hard to add an automatic to xen-calc like the template for intervals has?  (Something like "Open this temperament in xen-calc".)  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 22:15, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
+: It should be possible, although I will note that only edos are supported in xen-calc (i.e. nonoctave equal tunings are not supported), and large edos will either take a long time to load; for instance, 1000edo just took me 30 seconds to load. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 02:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
+== Wrong step size at 0EDO ==
+{{Infobox ET|0edo|debug=1}}
+This template shows step size 0 ¢ for 0EDO [[Single-pitch tuning]]. That is wrong because it is either undefined because of division by zero or infinity as a limit of ‹x›EDO for ‹x› going to zero. To be consistent with the article, I think that it should show step size ∞ ¢. The article says “As a result of the step size of 0edo being infinite, the relative error of all intervals is zero.”.
+[[User:Matěȷ|Matěȷ]] ([[User talk:Matěȷ|talk]]) 19:16, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
+== Make zeta optional ==
+As has been discussed before, I don't believe zeta list status is worth being so prominantly displayed in the infobox. Preferably this information is made opt-in and thereby turned off for most of the edo pages.
+– [[User:Sintel|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel|talk]]) 17:46, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
+: Done. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 18:34, 4 August 2025 (UTC)