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: I was aware of the idea of equal-step tuning, but I wasn't sure of the name. That said, I do think equal division of an interval is a different enough concept to warrant it's own page; I see equal division of an interval as a method to extend the tonality of existing scales, as opposed to a method to build new scales. Each of the examples I linked use it to achieve some degree of microtonality in what is otherwise a 12TET harmonic language. Do you think it's different enough to warrant a new page? (If not I'm completely alright to delete it). As for the Ed5 mistake, that's one hundred percent my bad; I got it mixed up with Edf. Thank you for catching it! In general, I'm still quite new to xenharmony, so thank you for the corrections and apologies for any mistakes I make! [[User:Sporklpony|Sporklpony]] ([[User talk:Sporklpony|talk]]) 18:19, 13 January 2022 (ETC)

:: I'm not sure. Is the difference only methodological? Since I don't see the difference in the definition of the objects from what's presented. Think about it, the equal temperament and the equal-step tuning are different objects, yet they haven't had their separate pages. So if for certain reasons the method can't be effectively discussed with equal-step tunings, it needs to be elaborated. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 23:59, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

::: I see, thinking about things as objects as opposed to methods makes more sense. I don't think EDI adds anything new to equal-step tuning in that case. I'll change the page to a redirect. For my own reference, is there a page about combining different xenharmonic objects (like how 12TET and equal-step tunings are combined in the examples I provided on the page)? Thank you! [[User:Sporklpony|Sporklpony]] ([[User talk:Sporklpony|talk]]) 21:37, 13 January 2022 (ETC)

:::: The usual terms are ''[[polysystemic]]'' (from [[Ivor Darreg]]) and ''[[polymicrotonality]]'' (from [[Johnny Reinhard]]). To my knowledge, they are mostly used to describe pieces that use two or more tuning systems significantly, as opposed to pieces that use alternative tunings for a short effect. For instance, Jacob Collier's "[https://youtu.be/KhyyjRcrn84?t=272 Moon River]" is barely polysystemic, and many people probably wouldn't label it as such, but arguably "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPZn4x3uOac In the Bleak Midwinter]" is "more" polysystemic. I guess it's hard to draw clear boundaries anyway.

:::: Unfortunately, very few polysystemic pieces are currently filed in the wiki. I can recommend [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBXpOPeQFYY&t=416s Liminal City Escalators], which features [[18edo]] & [[12edo]] as well as 18edo & [[17edo]] (alongside the same tunings used separately), but there are certainly many more as well.

:::: By the way, the equal division of [[12edo]] intervals can easily be described by using different [[edo]]s, such as [[9edo]] for 3 equal divisions of the 12edo major third (as in [https://youtu.be/E5F_-iPP1Tc Acute], where it was notated as "M3/4"), or [[36edo]] if you apply that division on every pitch of 12edo and consider the resulting set of pitches. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 05:03, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

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 : I was aware of the idea of equal-step tuning, but I wasn't sure of the name. That said, I do think equal division of an interval is a different enough concept to warrant it's own page; I see equal division of an interval as a method to extend the tonality of existing scales, as opposed to a method to build new scales. Each of the examples I linked use it to achieve some degree of microtonality in what is otherwise a 12TET harmonic language. Do you think it's different enough to warrant a new page? (If not I'm completely alright to delete it). As for the Ed5 mistake, that's one hundred percent my bad; I got it mixed up with Edf. Thank you for catching it! In general, I'm still quite new to xenharmony, so thank you for the corrections and apologies for any mistakes I make! [[User:Sporklpony|Sporklpony]] ([[User talk:Sporklpony|talk]]) 18:19, 13 January 2022 (ETC)
+:: I'm not sure. Is the difference only methodological? Since I don't see the difference in the definition of the objects from what's presented. Think about it, the equal temperament and the equal-step tuning are different objects, yet they haven't had their separate pages. So if for certain reasons the method can't be effectively discussed with equal-step tunings, it needs to be elaborated. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 23:59, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
+::: I see, thinking about things as objects as opposed to methods makes more sense. I don't think EDI adds anything new to equal-step tuning in that case. I'll change the page to a redirect. For my own reference, is there a page about combining different xenharmonic objects (like how 12TET and equal-step tunings are combined in the examples I provided on the page)? Thank you! [[User:Sporklpony|Sporklpony]] ([[User talk:Sporklpony|talk]]) 21:37, 13 January 2022 (ETC)
+:::: The usual terms are ''[[polysystemic]]'' (from [[Ivor Darreg]]) and ''[[polymicrotonality]]'' (from [[Johnny Reinhard]]). To my knowledge, they are mostly used to describe pieces that use two or more tuning systems significantly, as opposed to pieces that use alternative tunings for a short effect. For instance, Jacob Collier's "[https://youtu.be/KhyyjRcrn84?t=272 Moon River]" is barely polysystemic, and many people probably wouldn't label it as such, but arguably "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPZn4x3uOac In the Bleak Midwinter]" is "more" polysystemic. I guess it's hard to draw clear boundaries anyway.
+:::: Unfortunately, very few polysystemic pieces are currently filed in the wiki. I can recommend [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBXpOPeQFYY&t=416s Liminal City Escalators], which features [[18edo]] & [[12edo]] as well as 18edo & [[17edo]] (alongside the same tunings used separately), but there are certainly many more as well.
+:::: By the way, the equal division of [[12edo]] intervals can easily be described by using different [[edo]]s, such as [[9edo]] for 3 equal divisions of the 12edo major third (as in [https://youtu.be/E5F_-iPP1Tc Acute], where it was notated as "M3/4"), or [[36edo]] if you apply that division on every pitch of 12edo and consider the resulting set of pitches. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 05:03, 14 January 2022 (UTC)