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The [[Carlos Gamma]] rank one temperament divides 3/2 into 20 equal parts, 11 of which give a 5/4. This is closely related to the rank two microtemperament tempering out {{monzo| -29 -11 20 }}. This temperament, gammic, takes 11 [[generator]] steps to reach 5/4, and 20 to reach 3/2. The generator in question is 1990656/1953125 = {{monzo| 13 5 -9 }}, which when suitably tempered is very close to 5/171 octaves, which makes for an ideal gammic tuning. As a 5-limit temperament supported by [[171edo|171EDO]], [[Schismatic family|schismatic]] temperament makes for a natural comparison. Schismatic, with a wedgie of {{multival|1 -8 -15}} is plainly much less complex than gammic with wedgie {{multival|20 11 -29}}, but people seeking the exotic might prefer gammic even so. The 34-note MOS is interesting, being a 1L 33s refinement of the [[34edo|34EDO]] tuning. Of course gammic can be tuned to 34, which makes the two equivalent, and would rather remove the point of Carlos Gamma if used for it.
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The [[Carlos Gamma]] rank-1 temperament divides 3/2 into 20 equal parts, 11 of which give a 5/4. This is closely related to the rank-2 microtemperament tempering out {{monzo| -29 -11 20 }}, the [[gammic comma]]. This temperament, '''gammic''', takes 11 [[generator]] steps to reach 5/4, and 20 to reach 3/2. The generator in question is 1990656/1953125 = {{monzo| 13 5 -9 }}, which when suitably tempered is very close to 5/171 octaves, which makes for an ideal gammic tuning. As a 5-limit temperament supported by [[171edo]], [[Schismatic family|schismatic]] temperament makes for a natural comparison. Schismic, tempering out {{monzo| -15 8 1 }}, the [[schisma]], is plainly much less complex than gammic, but people seeking the exotic might prefer gammic even so. The 34-note mos is interesting, being a 1L 33s refinement of the [[34edo]] tuning. Of course gammic can be tuned to 34, which makes the two equivalent, and would rather remove the point of Carlos Gamma if used for it.


Because 171 is such a strong [[7-limit]] system, it is natural to extend gammic to the 7-limit. This we may do by adding [[4375/4374]] to the comma list, giving a wedgie of {{multival|20 11 96 -29 96 192}}. 96 gammic generators finally reach 7, which is a long way to go compared to the 39 generator steps of pontiac. If someone wants to make the trip, a 103-note MOS is possible.
Because 171 is such a strong [[7-limit]] system, it is natural to extend gammic to the 7-limit. This we may do by adding [[4375/4374]] to the comma list. 96 gammic generators finally reach 7, which is a long way to go compared to the 39 generator steps of pontiac. If someone wants to make the trip, a 103-note mos is possible.


== Gammic ==
== Gammic ==
[[Comma]]: {{monzo| -29 -11 20 }}
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5


[[Mapping]]: [{{val|1 1 2}}, {{val|0 20 11}}]
[[Comma list]]: {{monzo| -29 -11 20 }}


[[POTE generator]]: ~1990656/1953125 = 35.0964
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 2 | 0 20 11 }}


{{Val list|legend=1| 34, 103, 137, 171, 547, 718, 889, 1607 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~1990656/1953125
 
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~1990656/1953125 = 35.0964
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34, 103, 137, 171, 547, 718, 889, 1607 }}


[[Badness]]: 0.087752
[[Badness]]: 0.087752


=== 7-limit  ===
=== 2.3.5.17 subgroup ===
The interval of 3 generators represents one-third of [[6/5]], which is very close to [[17/16]], with the comma between 6/5 and (17/16)<sup>3</sup> being [[24576/24565]] = {{S|16/S17}}. This then naturally interprets the generator as [[51/50]] with two generators representing [[25/24]], tempering out [[15625/15606]] = S49×S50<sup>2</sup>.
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.17
 
[[Comma list]]: 15625/15606, 24576/24565
 
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 2 4 | 0 20 11 3 }}
 
: mapping generators: ~2, ~51/50
 
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~51/50 = 35.1011
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34, 103, 137, 171, 376, 547, 2564g, 3111cg, 3658cgg }}
 
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.320
 
== Septimal gammic ==
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
 
[[Comma list]]: 4375/4374, 6591796875/6576668672
[[Comma list]]: 4375/4374, 6591796875/6576668672


[[Mapping]]: [{{val|1 1 2 0}}, {{val|0 20 11 96}}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 2 0 | 0 20 11 96 }}


[[POTE generator]]: ~234375/229376 = 35.0904
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~234375/229376 = 35.0904


{{Val list|legend=1| 34d, 171, 205, 1402, 1573, 1744, 1915 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 171, 205, 1402, 1573, 1744, 1915 }}


[[Badness]]: 0.047362
[[Badness]]: 0.047362


== Neptune  ==
=== 11-limit ===
A more interesting extension is to Neptune, which divides an octave plus a gammic generator in half, to get a 10/7 generator. Neptune adds [[2401/2400]] to the gammic comma, and may be described as the 68&amp;171 temperament, with wedgie {{multival|40 22 21 -58 -79 -13}}. The generator chain goes merrily on, stacking one 10/7 over another, until after eighteen generator steps 6/5 (up nine octaves) is reached. Then in succession we get 12/7, the neutral third, 7/4 and 5/4. Two neutral thirds then gives a fifth, and these intervals with their inverses are the full set of septimal consonances. [[171edo|171EDO]] makes a good tuning, and we can also choose to make any of the consonances besides 7/5 and 10/7 just, including the fifth, which gives a tuning extending [[Carlos Gamma]].  
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Comma list: 243/242, 4375/4356, 100352/99825
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 0 2 | 0 20 11 96 50 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~45/44 = 35.089
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 137d, 171 }}
 
Badness: 0.097061
 
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 243/242, 364/363, 625/624, 2200/2197
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 0 2 3 | 0 20 11 96 50 24 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~45/44 = 35.091
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 137d, 171 }}
 
Badness: 0.047822
 
=== 17-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
 
Comma list: 243/242, 364/363, 375/374, 595/594, 2200/2197
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 0 2 3 4 | 0 20 11 96 50 24 3 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~45/44 = 35.090
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 137d, 171 }}
 
Badness: 0.031466


Adding 385/384 or 1375/1372 to the list of commas allows for an extension to the [[11-limit]], where (7/5)<sup>3</sup> equates to 11/4. This may be described as {{multival|40 22 21 -3 ...}} or 68&amp;103, and 171 can still be used as a tuning, with [[val]] {{val| 171 271 397 480 591 }}.
== Gammy ==
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


An article on Neptune as an analog of miracle can be found [http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning-math/message/6001 here].
[[Comma list]]: 225/224, 94143178827/91913281250
 
[[Mapping]]: {{mapping| 1 1 2 1 | 0 20 11 62 }}
 
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~1990656/1953125 = 34.984
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 69d, 103, 240, 343b }}
 
[[Badness]]: 0.230839
 
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 215622/214375
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 1 2 | 0 20 11 62 50 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~45/44 = 34.985
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 69de, 103, 240, 343be }}
 
Badness: 0.065326
 
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 351/350, 1188/1183
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 1 2 3 | 0 20 11 62 50 24 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~45/44 = 34.988
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 69de, 103, 240, 343be }}
 
Badness: 0.033418
 
=== 17-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
 
Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 351/350, 375/374, 1188/1183
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 1 2 3 4 | 0 20 11 62 50 24 3 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~45/44 = 34.997
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 69de, 103, 137, 240 }}
 
Badness: 0.025030
 
== Neptune ==
A more interesting extension is to neptune, which divides an octave plus a gammic generator in half, to get a 10/7 generator. Neptune adds [[2401/2400]] to the gammic comma, and may be described as the 68&amp;171 temperament. The generator chain goes merrily on, stacking one 10/7 over another, until after eighteen generator steps 6/5 (up nine octaves) is reached. Then in succession we get 12/7, the neutral third, 7/4 and 5/4. Two neutral thirds then gives a fifth, and these intervals with their inverses are the full set of septimal consonances. [[171edo]] makes a good tuning, and we can also choose to make any of the consonances besides 7/5 and 10/7 just, including the fifth, which gives a tuning extending [[Carlos Gamma]].
 
Adding 385/384 or 1375/1372 to the list of commas allows for an extension to the [[11-limit]], where (7/5)<sup>3</sup> equates to 11/4.
 
[[Gene Ward Smith]] once described [https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_6001.html neptune as an analog of miracle].
 
=== 7-limit ===
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 2401/2400, 48828125/48771072
[[Comma list]]: 2401/2400, 48828125/48771072


[[Mapping]]: [{{val|1 21 13 13}}, {{val|0 -40 -22 -21}}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 21 13 13 | 0 -40 -22 -21 }}


Mapping generators: 2, 7/5
: mapping generators: 2, ~7/5


[[POTE generator]]: ~7/5 = 582.452
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~7/5 = 582.452


{{Val list|legend=1| 35, 68, 103, 171, 1094, 1265, 1436, 1607, 1778 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 35, 68, 103, 171, 1094, 1265, 1436, 1607, 1778 }}


[[Badness]]: 0.023427
[[Badness]]: 0.023427


=== 11-limit  ===
==== 2.3.5.7.17 subgroup ====
Comma list: 385/384, 1375/1372, 2465529759/2441406250
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.17


Mapping: [{{val|1 21 13 13 2}}, {{val|0 -40 -22 -21 3}}]
[[Comma list]]: 1225/1224, 2401/2400, 24576/24565


Mapping generators: 2, 7/5
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 21 13 13 7 | 0 -40 -22 -21 -6 }}


POTE generator: ~7/5 = 582.475
: mapping generators: ~2, ~7/5


Vals: {{Val list| 35, 68, 103, 171e, 274e, 445ee }}
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, 7/5 = 582.450
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 35, 68, 103, 171, 581, 752, 923, 1094 }}
 
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.404
 
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Comma list: 385/384, 1375/1372, 78408/78125
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 21 13 13 2 | 0 -40 -22 -21 3 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~7/5 = 582.475
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 35, 68, 103, 171e, 274e, 445ee }}


Badness: 0.063602
Badness: 0.063602


[[Category:Theory]]
==== 13-limit ====
[[Category:Temperament family]]
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
[[Category:Gammic]]
 
Comma list: 385/384, 625/624, 1188/1183, 1375/1372
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 21 13 13 2 27 | 0 -40 -22 -21 3 -48 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~7/5 = 582.480
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 35f, 68, 103, 171e, 274e }}
 
Badness: 0.037156
 
==== 17-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
 
Comma list: 385/384, 561/560, 625/624, 715/714, 1188/1183
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 21 13 13 2 27 7 | 0 -40 -22 -21 3 -48 -6 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~7/5 = 582.475
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 35f, 68, 103, 171e, 274e, 445ee }}
 
Badness: 0.025909
 
=== Salacia ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 9765625/9732096
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 21 13 13 52 | 0 -40 -22 -21 -100 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~7/5 = 582.478
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 68e, 103, 171, 274, 719be, 993bcde, 1267bbcde }}
 
Badness: 0.069721
 
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 625/624, 2200/2197
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 21 13 13 52 27 | 0 -40 -22 -21 -100 -48 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~7/5 = 582.477
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 68e, 103, 171, 274, 719be, 993bcde }}
 
Badness: 0.034977
 
==== 17-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
 
Comma list: 243/242, 375/374, 441/440, 625/624, 2200/2197
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 21 13 13 52 27 7 | 0 -40 -22 -21 -100 -48 -6 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~7/5 = 582.475
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 68e, 103, 171, 274, 445e, 719be, 1164bcdeef }}
 
Badness: 0.024577
 
=== Poseidon ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Comma list: 2401/2400, 9801/9800, 9453125/9437184
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 2 4 5 8 | 0 40 22 21 -37 }}
 
: mapping generators: ~99/70, ~99/98
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~99/98 = 17.545
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 68, 206b, 274, 342 }}
 
Badness: 0.041727
 
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