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The head of the '''starling family''' is starling, which tempers out [[126/125]], the starling comma or septimal semicomma. Starling has a normal list basis of [2, 3, 5]; hence a 5-limit scale can be converted to starling simply by tempering it. One way to do that, and an excellent starling tuning, is given by [[77edo]]. Other possible tunings are [[108edo]] and [[185edo]], and the nonpatent [[135edo]] val {{val| 135 214 314 379 }} (135c).
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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">The head of the starling family is starling, which tempers out 126/125, the starling comma or septimal semicomma. Starling has a normal list basis of [2, 3, 5]; hence a 5-limit scale can be converted to starling simply by tempering it. One way to do that, and an excellent starling tuning, is given by [[77edo]]. Other possible tunings are [[108edo]] and [[185edo]], and the nonpatent [[135edo]] val &lt;135 214 314 379|.


In starling, (6/5)^3 = 126/125 * 12/7, and minor thirds/major sixths are low complexity intervals. A suitable 5-limit scale to temper via starling will be one where there are chains of minor thirds. Starling has a 6/5-6/5-6/5-7/6 versions of the diminished seventh chord which is very characteristic of it. Since this is a chord of meantone temperament in wide use in Western common practice harmony long before 12edo established itself as the standard tuning, it is arguably more authentic to tune it as three stacked minor thirds and an augmented second, which is what it is in meantone, than as the modern version of four stacked very flat minor thirds.
In starling, (6/5)<sup>3</sup> = 126/125 × 12/7, and minor thirds/major sixths are low complexity intervals. A suitable 5-limit scale to temper via starling will be one where there are chains of minor thirds. Starling has a 6/5-6/5-6/5-7/6 versions of the diminished seventh chord which is very characteristic of it. Since this is a chord of meantone temperament in wide use in Western common practice harmony long before 12edo established itself as the standard tuning, it is arguably more authentic to tune it as three stacked minor thirds and an augmented second, which is what it is in meantone, than as the modern version of four stacked very flat minor thirds.


Because no appreciable tuning accuracy is lost by including 1029/1024 along with 126/125 in the comma list, which leads to [[Starling temperaments|valentine temperament]], there is a close relationship between the two. Even if tempering a 5-limit scale, one can assume valentine tempering.
Because no appreciable tuning accuracy is lost by including [[1029/1024]] along with 126/125 in the comma list, which leads to [[valentine]], there is a close relationship between the two. Even if tempering a 5-limit scale, one can assume valentine tempering.


===Vital statistics===
Temperaments discussed elsewhere include
[[Comma]] c = 126/125
* ''[[Erato]]'' (+81/80) → [[Didymus rank three family #Erato|Didymus rank-3 family]]
* ''[[Sensigh]]'' (+245/243) → [[Sensamagic family #Sensigh|Sensamagic family]]
* ''[[Oxpecker]]'' (+121/120) → [[Biyatismic clan #Oxpecker|Biyatismic clan]]
* ''[[Cuckoo]]'' (+243/242) → [[Rastmic rank three clan #Cuckoo|Rastmic rank-3 clan]]


7- and 9-limit minimax: 3 and 7 just, 5 1/3c sharp
Considered below are starling, thrush, thrasher, aplonis, and treecreeper.
[&lt;1 0 0 0|, &lt;0 1 0 0|, &lt;1/3 2/3 0 1/3|, &lt;0 0 0 1|]
Eigenmonzos: 2, 8/7, 4/3


Minkowski lattice basis: 6/5 length 1.068, 5/4 length 1.206
== Starling ==
Angle(6/5, 5/4) = 100.364 degrees
{{Main| Starling and thrush }}
Map to lattice: [&lt;0 1 0 -2|, &lt;0 1 1 1|]


Map: [&lt;1 0 0 -5|, &lt;0 1 0 2|, &lt;0 0 1 2|]
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
Generators: 2, 3, 5
[[edo|EDOs]]: 12, 15, 16, 19, 27, 31, 34, 43, 46, 50, 58, 65, [[77edo|77]], [[108edo|108]], [[185edo|185]], &lt;135 214 314 379|


Scales: [[starling7]], [[starling8]], [[starling9]], [[starling11]], [[starling12]], [[starling15]], [[starling16]], [[starling17]], [[starling19]]
[[Comma list]]: [[126/125]]


===[[Minkowski blocks]]===
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 0 -1 | 0 1 0 -2 | 0 0 1 3 }}
7: 25/24, 81/80
8: 16/15, 648/625
9: 27/25, 128/125
11: 16/15, 15625/15552
12: 128/125, 628/625
15: 128/125, 250/243
16: 648/625, 3125/3072
17: 25/24, 20480/19683
19: 81/80, 3125/3072
27: 128/125, 78732/78125
28: 648/625, 16875/16384
31: 81/80, 1990656/1953125
34: 15625/15552, 2048/2025


==11 limit children==
: mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~5


===Thrush===
[[Mapping to lattice]]: [{{val| 0 1 0 -2 }}, {{val| 0 1 1 1 }}]
[[Comma|Commas]]: 126/125, 176/175


7 and 9 limit minimax
[[Minkowski lattice basis]]:
[|1 0 0 0 0&gt;, |0 1 0 0 0&gt;, |1/3 2/3 0 1/3 0&gt;,
: 6/5 length = 1.068, 5/4 length = 1.206
|0 0 0 1 0&gt;, |-10/3 4/3 0 5/3 0&gt;]
: Angle (6/5, 5/4) = 100.364 degrees
[[Eigenmonzo|Eigenmonzos]]: 2, 7/6, 4/3


Lattice basis 5/4 length 0.8576 6/5 length 0.9314
[[Minimax tuning]]:
Angle(5/4, 6/5) = 74.6239 degrees
* 7- and [[9-odd-limit]]: 3 and 7 just, 5 1/3-comma sharp
Map to lattice: [&lt;0 1 1 1 3|, &lt;0 1 0 -2 -2|]
: {{monzo list| 1 0 0 0 | 0 1 0 0 | 1/3 2/3 0 1/3 | 0 0 0 1 }}
: [[Eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.3.7


Map: [&lt;1 0 0 -1 -5|, &lt;0 1 0 -2 -2|, &lt;0 0 1 3 5|]
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7d, 8d, 12, 19, 27, 31, 46, 58, 77, 135c, 166c }}
[[Generator|Generators]]: 2, 3, 5


13-limit
[[Badness]]: 0.0699 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
Commas: 126/125, 176/175, 196/195


====Bluebird====
[[Projection pair]]: 7 125/18
Commas 126/125, 176/175, 144/143


====Nightingale====
{{Databox|[[Minkowski blocks]]|
Commas: 126/125, 176/175, 66/65
* 7: 25/24, 81/80
* 8: 16/15, 648/625
* 9: 27/25, 128/125
* 11: 16/15, 15625/15552
* 12: 128/125, 628/625
* 15: 128/125, 250/243
* 16: 648/625, 3125/3072
* 17: 25/24, 20480/19683
* 19: 81/80, 3125/3072
* 27: 128/125, 78732/78125
* 28: 648/625, 16875/16384
* 31: 81/80, 1990656/1953125
* 34: 15625/15552, 2048/2025
}}


[[edo|EDOs]]: [[31edo|31]], [[46edo|46]], [[58edo|58]], [[89edo|89]]
== Undecimal starling ==
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11


===Thrasher===
[[Comma list]]: 126/125, 385/384
[[Comma|Commas]]: 126/125, 100/99


11-limit minimax
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 0 -1 8 | 0 1 0 -2 3 | 0 0 1 3 -4 }}
[|1 0 0 0 0&gt;, |1 3/4 0 1/4 -3/8&gt;,
|1 1/2 0 1/2 -1/4&gt;, |0 0 0 1 0&gt;,
|2 -1/2 0 1/2 1/4&gt;]
[[Eigenmonzo|Eigenmonzos]]: 2, 8/7, 11/9


Lattice basis: 6/5 length 0.9089 5/4 length 1.2007
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12e, 15, 19, 27, 31, 46, 77, 96d, 127d, 173d, 204de }}
Angle(6/5, 5/4) = 98.8447
Map to lattice: [&lt;0 1 0 -2 -2|, &lt;0 1 1 1 0|]


Map: [&lt;1 0 0 -1 2|, &lt;0 1 0 -2 -2|, &lt;0 0 1 3 2|]
[[Badness]]: 0.677 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
[[Generator|Generators]]: 2, 3, 5


13-limit
== Thrush ==
Commas: 126/125, 100/99, 91/90
{{Main| Starling and thrush }}


====Mockingbird====
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11
Commas: 126/125, 100/99, 40/39


====Catbird====
[[Comma list]]: 126/125, 176/175
Commas: 126/125, 100/99, 78/77


[[edo|EDOs]]: [[12edo|12]], [[15edo|15]], [[19edo|19]], [[34edo|34]]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 0 -1 -5 | 0 1 0 -2 -2 | 0 0 1 3 5 }}


===Aplonis===
Mapping to lattice: [{{val| 0 1 1 1 3 }}, {{val| 0 1 0 -2 -2 }}]
Commas: 126/125, 540/539


13-limit
Lattice basis:
Commas: 126/125, 144/143, 196/195
: 5/4 length = 0.8576, 6/5 length = 0.9314
: Angle(5/4, 6/5) = 74.6239 degrees


===Spreo===
[[Minimax tuning]]:
Starling can be extended to spreo with essentially no tuning accuracy penalty; [[135edo]] can be used for both of them.
* 7- and [[9-odd-limit]]
: [{{monzo| 1 0 0 0 0 }}, {{monzo| 0 1 0 0 0 }}, {{monzo| 1/3 2/3 0 1/3 0 }}, {{monzo| 0 0 0 1 0 }}, {{monzo| -10/3 4/3 0 5/3 0 }}]
: [[Eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.3.7


Commas: 126/125, 441/440
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, 15, 19e, 27e, 31, 46, 58, 89, 135c, 193c, 224c }}


11-limit minimax
[[Badness]]: 0.353 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
[|1 0 0 0 0&gt;, |0 1 0 0 0&gt;, |1 2/5 0 0 1/5&gt;,
|2 -4/5 0 0 3/5&gt;, |0 0 0 0 1&gt;]
Eigenmonzos: 2, 4/3, 11/8


Lattice basis: 5/4 length=0.8576 6/5 length=0.9314
[[Projection pair]]s: 7 125/18 11 3125/288
Angle(5/4, 6/5) = 74.6239
Map to lattice: [&lt;0 1 1 1 3|, &lt;0 1 0 -2 -2|]


Map: [&lt;1 0 0 -1 -5|, &lt;0 1 0 -2 -2|, &lt;0 0 1 3 5|]
[[Associated temperament]]: [[myna]]
Generators: 2, 3, 5
Edos: 12, 15, 16, 28, 31, 43, 46, 58, 73, 77, 89,
&lt;135 214 314 379 467|


Scales: [[starling11]], [[starling12]], [[starling15]], [[starling16]], [[starling17]], [[starling19]]</pre></div>
=== 13-limit ===
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Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">&lt;html&gt;&lt;head&gt;&lt;title&gt;Starling family&lt;/title&gt;&lt;/head&gt;&lt;body&gt;The head of the starling family is starling, which tempers out 126/125, the starling comma or septimal semicomma. Starling has a normal list basis of [2, 3, 5]; hence a 5-limit scale can be converted to starling simply by tempering it. One way to do that, and an excellent starling tuning, is given by &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/77edo"&gt;77edo&lt;/a&gt;.  Other possible tunings are &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/108edo"&gt;108edo&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/185edo"&gt;185edo&lt;/a&gt;, and the nonpatent &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/135edo"&gt;135edo&lt;/a&gt; val &amp;lt;135 214 314 379|.&lt;br /&gt;
 
&lt;br /&gt;
Comma list: 126/125, 176/175, 196/195
In starling, (6/5)^3 = 126/125 * 12/7, and minor thirds/major sixths are low complexity intervals. A suitable 5-limit scale to temper via starling will be one where there are chains of minor thirds. Starling has a 6/5-6/5-6/5-7/6 versions of the diminished seventh chord which is very characteristic of it. Since this is a chord of meantone temperament in wide use in Western common practice harmony long before 12edo established itself as the standard tuning, it is arguably more authentic to tune it as three stacked minor thirds and an augmented second, which is what it is in meantone, than as the modern version of four stacked very flat minor thirds.&lt;br /&gt;
 
&lt;br /&gt;
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 -5 0 | 0 1 0 -2 -2 -5 | 0 0 1 3 5 5 }}
Because no appreciable tuning accuracy is lost by including 1029/1024 along with 126/125 in the comma list, which leads to &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Starling%20temperaments"&gt;valentine temperament&lt;/a&gt;, there is a close relationship between the two. Even if tempering a 5-limit scale, one can assume valentine tempering.&lt;br /&gt;
 
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12f, 19e, 27e, 31, 46, 58, 104c, 135c, 193cf }}
&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:0:&amp;lt;h3&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h3 id="toc0"&gt;&lt;a name="x--Vital statistics"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:0 --&gt;Vital statistics&lt;/h3&gt;
 
&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Comma"&gt;Comma&lt;/a&gt; c = 126/125&lt;br /&gt;
Badness: 0.677 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
&lt;br /&gt;
 
7- and 9-limit minimax: 3 and 7 just, 5 1/3c sharp&lt;br /&gt;
=== Bluebird ===
[&amp;lt;1 0 0 0|, &amp;lt;0 1 0 0|, &amp;lt;1/3 2/3 0 1/3|, &amp;lt;0 0 0 1|]&lt;br /&gt;
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Eigenmonzos: 2, 8/7, 4/3&lt;br /&gt;
 
&lt;br /&gt;
Comma list: 126/125, 144/143, 176/175
Minkowski lattice basis: 6/5 length 1.068, 5/4 length 1.206&lt;br /&gt;
 
Angle(6/5, 5/4) = 100.364 degrees&lt;br /&gt;
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 -5 9 | 0 1 0 -2 -2 4 | 0 0 1 3 5 -5 }}
Map to lattice: [&amp;lt;0 1 0 -2|, &amp;lt;0 1 1 1|]&lt;br /&gt;
 
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, 15, 27e, 31, 43, 58, 147cf, 205cceff, 263ccdeefff }}
Map: [&amp;lt;1 0 0 -5|, &amp;lt;0 1 0 2|, &amp;lt;0 0 1 2|]&lt;br /&gt;
 
Generators: 2, 3, 5&lt;br /&gt;
Badness: 0.915 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/edo"&gt;EDOs&lt;/a&gt;: 12, 15, 16, 19, 27, 31, 34, 43, 46, 50, 58, 65, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/77edo"&gt;77&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/108edo"&gt;108&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/185edo"&gt;185&lt;/a&gt;, &amp;lt;135 214 314 379|&lt;br /&gt;
 
&lt;br /&gt;
Projection pairs: 7 125/18 11 3125/288 13 41472/3125
Scales: &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/starling7"&gt;starling7&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/starling8"&gt;starling8&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/starling9"&gt;starling9&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/starling11"&gt;starling11&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/starling12"&gt;starling12&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/starling15"&gt;starling15&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/starling16"&gt;starling16&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/starling17"&gt;starling17&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/starling19"&gt;starling19&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Nightingale ===
&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:2:&amp;lt;h3&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h3 id="toc1"&gt;&lt;a name="x--Minkowski blocks"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:2 --&gt;&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Minkowski%20blocks"&gt;Minkowski blocks&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
7: 25/24, 81/80&lt;br /&gt;
 
8: 16/15, 648/625&lt;br /&gt;
Comma list: 66/65, 126/125, 176/175
9: 27/25, 128/125&lt;br /&gt;
 
11: 16/15, 15625/15552&lt;br /&gt;
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 -5 -4 | 0 1 0 -2 -2 -1 | 0 0 1 3 5 4 }}
12: 128/125, 628/625&lt;br /&gt;
 
15: 128/125, 250/243&lt;br /&gt;
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12f, 15, 19e, 27eff, 31 }}
16: 648/625, 3125/3072&lt;br /&gt;
 
17: 25/24, 20480/19683&lt;br /&gt;
Badness: 0.837 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
19: 81/80, 3125/3072&lt;br /&gt;
 
27: 128/125, 78732/78125&lt;br /&gt;
=== Veery ===
28: 648/625, 16875/16384&lt;br /&gt;
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
31: 81/80, 1990656/1953125&lt;br /&gt;
 
34: 15625/15552, 2048/2025&lt;br /&gt;
Comma list: 91/90, 126/125, 176/175
&lt;br /&gt;
 
&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:4:&amp;lt;h2&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h2 id="toc2"&gt;&lt;a name="x-11 limit children"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:4 --&gt;11 limit children&lt;/h2&gt;
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 -5 2 | 0 1 0 -2 -2 4 | 0 0 1 3 5 -2 }}
&lt;br /&gt;
 
&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:6:&amp;lt;h3&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h3 id="toc3"&gt;&lt;a name="x-11 limit children-Thrush"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:6 --&gt;Thrush&lt;/h3&gt;
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, 15, 19e, 27e, 31f, 46 }}
&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Comma"&gt;Commas&lt;/a&gt;: 126/125, 176/175&lt;br /&gt;
 
&lt;br /&gt;
Badness: 0.991 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
7 and 9 limit minimax&lt;br /&gt;
 
[|1 0 0 0 0&amp;gt;, |0 1 0 0 0&amp;gt;, |1/3 2/3 0 1/3 0&amp;gt;, &lt;br /&gt;
== Thrasher ==
|0 0 0 1 0&amp;gt;, |-10/3 4/3 0 5/3 0&amp;gt;]&lt;br /&gt;
{{See also| Ptolemismic clan #Thrasher }}
&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Eigenmonzo"&gt;Eigenmonzos&lt;/a&gt;: 2, 7/6, 4/3&lt;br /&gt;
 
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11
Lattice basis 5/4 length 0.8576 6/5 length 0.9314&lt;br /&gt;
 
Angle(5/4, 6/5) = 74.6239 degrees&lt;br /&gt;
[[Comma list]]: 56/55, 100/99
Map to lattice: [&amp;lt;0 1 1 1 3|, &amp;lt;0 1 0 -2 -2|]&lt;br /&gt;
 
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 0 -1 2 | 0 1 0 -2 -2 | 0 0 1 3 2 }}
Map: [&amp;lt;1 0 0 -1 -5|, &amp;lt;0 1 0 -2 -2|, &amp;lt;0 0 1 3 5|]&lt;br /&gt;
 
&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Generator"&gt;Generators&lt;/a&gt;: 2, 3, 5&lt;br /&gt;
Mapping to lattice: [{{val| 0 1 0 -2 -2 }}, {{val| 0 1 1 1 0 }}]
&lt;br /&gt;
 
13-limit&lt;br /&gt;
Lattice basis:  
Commas: 126/125, 176/175, 196/195&lt;br /&gt;
: 6/5 length = 0.9089, 5/4 length = 1.2007
&lt;br /&gt;
: Angle (6/5, 5/4) = 98.8447
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Commas 126/125, 176/175, 144/143&lt;br /&gt;
[[Minimax tuning]]:  
&lt;br /&gt;
* [[11-odd-limit]]
&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:10:&amp;lt;h4&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h4 id="toc5"&gt;&lt;a name="x-11 limit children-Thrush-Nightingale"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:10 --&gt;Nightingale&lt;/h4&gt;
: [{{monzo| 1 0 0 0 0 }}, {{monzo| 1 3/4 0 1/4 -3/8 }}, {{monzo| 1 1/2 0 1/2 -1/4 }}, {{monzo| 0 0 0 1 0 }}, {{monzo| 2 -1/2 0 1/2 1/4 }}]
Commas: 126/125, 176/175, 66/65&lt;br /&gt;
: [[Eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.7.11/9
&lt;br /&gt;
 
&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/edo"&gt;EDOs&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/31edo"&gt;31&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/46edo"&gt;46&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/58edo"&gt;58&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/89edo"&gt;89&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7d, 8d, 12, 15, 19, 27e }} <nowiki>*</nowiki>
&lt;br /&gt;
 
&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:12:&amp;lt;h3&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h3 id="toc6"&gt;&lt;a name="x-11 limit children-Thrasher"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:12 --&gt;Thrasher&lt;/h3&gt;
<nowiki>*</nowiki> [[optimal patent val]]: [[34edo|34]]
&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Comma"&gt;Commas&lt;/a&gt;: 126/125, 100/99&lt;br /&gt;
 
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Badness]]: 0.480 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
11-limit minimax&lt;br /&gt;
 
[|1 0 0 0 0&amp;gt;, |1 3/4 0 1/4 -3/8&amp;gt;, &lt;br /&gt;
Scales: [[Thrasher chromatic]], [[Thrasher diatonic]]
|1 1/2 0 1/2 -1/4&amp;gt;, |0 0 0 1 0&amp;gt;, &lt;br /&gt;
 
|2 -1/2 0 1/2 1/4&amp;gt;]&lt;br /&gt;
=== 13-limit ===
&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Eigenmonzo"&gt;Eigenmonzos&lt;/a&gt;: 2, 8/7, 11/9&lt;br /&gt;
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
&lt;br /&gt;
 
Lattice basis: 6/5 length 0.9089 5/4 length 1.2007&lt;br /&gt;
Comma list: 56/55, 91/90, 100/99
Angle(6/5, 5/4) = 98.8447&lt;br /&gt;
 
Map to lattice: [&amp;lt;0 1 0 -2 -2|, &amp;lt;0 1 1 1 0|]&lt;br /&gt;
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 2 2 | 0 1 0 -2 -2 4 | 0 0 1 3 2 -2 }}
&lt;br /&gt;
 
Map: [&amp;lt;1 0 0 -1 2|, &amp;lt;0 1 0 -2 -2|, &amp;lt;0 0 1 3 2|]&lt;br /&gt;
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7d, 8d, 12, 15, 19, 27e, 69bceef }} <nowiki>*</nowiki>
&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Generator"&gt;Generators&lt;/a&gt;: 2, 3, 5&lt;br /&gt;
 
&lt;br /&gt;
<nowiki>*</nowiki> optimal patent val: [[34edo|34]]
13-limit&lt;br /&gt;
 
Commas: 126/125, 100/99, 91/90&lt;br /&gt;
Badness: 0.876 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
&lt;br /&gt;
 
&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:14:&amp;lt;h4&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h4 id="toc7"&gt;&lt;a name="x-11 limit children-Thrasher-Mockingbird"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:14 --&gt;Mockingbird&lt;/h4&gt;
=== Mockingbird ===
Commas: 126/125, 100/99, 40/39&lt;br /&gt;
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
&lt;br /&gt;
 
&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:16:&amp;lt;h4&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h4 id="toc8"&gt;&lt;a name="x-11 limit children-Thrasher-Catbird"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:16 --&gt;Catbird&lt;/h4&gt;
Comma list: 40/39, 56/55, 100/99
Commas: 126/125, 100/99, 78/77&lt;br /&gt;
 
&lt;br /&gt;
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 2 3 | 0 1 0 -2 -2 -1 | 0 0 1 3 2 1 }}
&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/edo"&gt;EDOs&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/12edo"&gt;12&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/15edo"&gt;15&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/19edo"&gt;19&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/34edo"&gt;34&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7d, 8d, 12f, 15, 27eff }}
&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:18:&amp;lt;h3&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h3 id="toc9"&gt;&lt;a name="x-11 limit children-Aplonis"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:18 --&gt;Aplonis&lt;/h3&gt;
 
Commas: 126/125, 540/539&lt;br /&gt;
Badness: 0.859 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
&lt;br /&gt;
 
13-limit&lt;br /&gt;
=== Catbird ===
Commas: 126/125, 144/143, 196/195&lt;br /&gt;
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
&lt;br /&gt;
 
&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:20:&amp;lt;h3&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h3 id="toc10"&gt;&lt;a name="x-11 limit children-Spreo"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:20 --&gt;Spreo&lt;/h3&gt;
Comma list: 78/77, 100/99, 126/125
Starling can be extended to spreo with essentially no tuning accuracy penalty; &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/135edo"&gt;135edo&lt;/a&gt; can be used for both of them.&lt;br /&gt;
 
&lt;br /&gt;
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 2 0 | 0 1 0 -2 -2 -5 | 0 0 1 3 2 5 }}
Commas: 126/125, 441/440&lt;br /&gt;
 
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7df, 8d, 12f, 19, 27e, 66cdeeef }}
11-limit minimax&lt;br /&gt;
 
[|1 0 0 0 0&amp;gt;, |0 1 0 0 0&amp;gt;, |1 2/5 0 0 1/5&amp;gt;, &lt;br /&gt;
Badness: 0.905 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
|2 -4/5 0 0 3/5&amp;gt;, |0 0 0 0 1&amp;gt;]&lt;br /&gt;
 
Eigenmonzos: 2, 4/3, 11/8&lt;br /&gt;
== Aplonis ==
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11
Lattice basis: 5/4 length=0.8576 6/5 length=0.9314&lt;br /&gt;
 
Angle(5/4, 6/5) = 74.6239&lt;br /&gt;
[[Comma list]]: 126/125, 540/539
Map to lattice: [&amp;lt;0 1 1 1 3|, &amp;lt;0 1 0 -2 -2|]&lt;br /&gt;
 
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 0 -1 4 | 0 1 0 -2 7 | 0 0 1 3 -5 }}
Map: [&amp;lt;1 0 0 -1 -5|, &amp;lt;0 1 0 -2 -2|, &amp;lt;0 0 1 3 5|]&lt;br /&gt;
 
Generators: 2, 3, 5&lt;br /&gt;
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12e, 19, 27e, 31, 58, 89, 197c, 228c }}
Edos: 12, 15, 16, 28, 31, 43, 46, 58, 73, 77, 89, &lt;br /&gt;
 
&amp;lt;135 214 314 379 467|&lt;br /&gt;
[[Badness]]: 0.648 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
&lt;br /&gt;
 
Scales: &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/starling11"&gt;starling11&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/starling12"&gt;starling12&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/starling15"&gt;starling15&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/starling16"&gt;starling16&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/starling17"&gt;starling17&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/starling19"&gt;starling19&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 126/125, 144/143, 196/195
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 4 0 | 0 1 0 -2 7 -5 | 0 0 1 3 -5 5 }}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8d, 19, 27e, 31, 50, 58, 166cef, 224ceeff }}
 
Badness: 0.821 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
 
== Treecreeper ==
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11
 
[[Comma list]]: 126/125, 1232/1215
 
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 0 -1 -3 | 0 1 0 -2 7 | 0 0 1 3 -2 }}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7d, 12e, 19e, 27e, 39d, 46, 119c }}
 
[[Badness]]: 1.585 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
 
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 91/90, 126/125, 352/351
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 -3 2 | 0 1 0 -2 7 4 | 0 0 1 3 -2 -2 }}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7d, 12e, 19e, 27e, 46 }}
 
Badness: 1.588 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
 
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