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: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Semisept]].''
: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Semisept]].''


The generator of semisept is half a tempered septimal major sixth (12/7), hence the name. Three such generator steps minus an octave give the hemithird, and six give the classical major third. It can be described as the 31 & 80 temperament, and as one may expect, [[111edo]] makes for a great tuning.  
The generator of semisept is half a tempered septimal major sixth (12/7), hence the name. Three such generator steps minus an octave give the hemithird, and six give the classical major third. It can be described as the 31 & 80 temperament, and as one may expect, [[111edo]] makes for a great tuning. The name was given by [[Petr Pařízek]] in 2011.<ref name="petr's long post">[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_101780.html Yahoo! Tuning Group (archive) | ''Suggested names for the unclasified temperaments'']</ref>


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: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Emka]].''
: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Emka]].''


Emka may be described as the 37 & 50 temperament, which tempers out the hemimean comma and 84035/82944 (quinzo-ayo). It was named by [[Petr Pařízek]] in 2011.  
Emka may be described as the 37 & 50 temperament, which tempers out the hemimean comma and 84035/82944 (quinzo-ayo). It was named by [[Petr Pařízek]] in 2011.<ref name="petr's long post"/>


A related temperament of emka is [[horwell temperaments #Emkay|emkay]] (87 & 224), which is more accurate but more complex, and only differs from emka in the mapping of 7.  
A related temperament of emka is [[horwell temperaments #Emkay|emkay]] (87 & 224), which is more accurate but more complex, and only differs from emka in the mapping of 7.  
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== Tremka ==
== Tremka ==
Tremka may be described as the 50 & 111 temperament. The name ''tremka'' was devised by [[Petr Pařízek]] in 2011, initially used for the [[no-sevens subgroup temperaments #Tremka|no-7's version]], especially in the 2.3.5.11.13 subgroup<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_101780.html Yahoo! Tuning Group (archive) | ''Suggested names for the unclasified temperaments'']</ref>, but extending to the full 13-limit or higher does no significant tuning damage, so for that we keep the 2.3.5.11.13 label tremka.
Tremka may be described as the 50 & 111 temperament. The name ''tremka'' was devised by [[Petr Pařízek]] in 2011, initially used for the [[no-sevens subgroup temperaments #Tremka|no-7's version]], especially in the 2.3.5.11.13 subgroup<ref name="petr's long post"/>, but extending to the full 13-limit or higher does no significant tuning damage, so for that we keep the 2.3.5.11.13 label tremka.


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= Subgroup extensions =
= Subgroup extensions =
== Undecimal didacus ==
== Undecimal didacus ==
In the no-3's [[11-limit]], there is a natural extension with prime 11 by equating [[25/16]] (which is already tuned sharp anyways) with [[11/7]] by tempering out [[176/175]], which is the same route that [[undecimal meantone]] uses, as this is essentially a no-3's restriction of undecimal meantone in the 11-limit, except that undecimal meantone finds ~[[28/25]] at 2 generators (as a flat ~[[9/8]]) while here it is the generator. This is equivalent to finding [[11/4]] as ([[7/5]])<sup>3</sup>. In the no-3's 19-limit extension "mediantone", this whole tone generator serves as the two simplest [[mediant]]s of [[9/8]] and [[10/9]], namely [[19/17]] and [[28/25]], while in undecimal didacus and its extension to the no-3's 13-limit only the latter interpretation is relevant.
In the no-3's [[11-limit]], there is a natural extension for prime 11 by equating the sharply tuned [[25/16]] with [[11/7]], tempering out [[176/175]], which is the same route that [[undecimal meantone]] uses, as this is essentially a no-3's restriction of undecimal meantone in the 11-limit, except that undecimal meantone finds ~[[28/25]] at 2 generators (as a flat ~[[9/8]]) while here it is the generator. This is equivalent to finding [[11/4]] as ([[7/5]])<sup>3</sup>, tempering out [[1375/1372]].  
 
In the no-3's 19-limit extension mediantone, this whole tone generator serves as the two simplest [[mediant]]s of [[9/8]] and [[10/9]], namely [[19/17]] and [[28/25]], while in undecimal didacus and its extension to the no-3's 13-limit only the latter interpretation is relevant.


Subgroup: 2.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.5.7.11


Comma list: [[176/175]], [[1375/1372]]
Comma list: 176/175, 1375/1372


Sval mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -3 -7 | 0 2 5 9 }}
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 -3 -7 | 0 2 5 9 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~56/25


: sval mapping generators: ~2, ~56/25
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1199.3680{{c}}, ~28/25 = 194.4533{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~28/25 = 194.4278{{c}}


Optimal tuning (CWE): 2 = 1\1, ~28/25 = 194.428
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 6, 19e, 25, 31, 37 }}
 
Optimal ET sequence: {{Optimal ET sequence| 6, 19e, 25, 31, 37 }}
 
RMS error: 0.5567 cents


Badness (Sintel): 0.195
Badness (Sintel): 0.195


=== Tridecimal didacus ===
=== Tridecimal didacus ===
Tridecimal didacus (formerly ''roulette''; that name has now been reassigned to the no-threes 19-limit extension 37 & 68) is equivalent to [[hemiwur]] or [[grosstone]] with no mapping for prime 3. The mapping of prime 13 is somewhat strange, because it is the only mapping that requires a negative amount of generators (and a large amount of them), but it can be rationalized in a variety of ways, such as that because [[~]][[8/7]] is already tuned almost 3{{cent}} flat, it makes sense to equate two of it with [[~]][[13/10]] (tempering out the 8{{cent}} [[huntma]]). This mapping of 13 increases the [[badness]] of the temperament, but as it does not noticeably affect the optimal generators, it is usually a safe extension to didacus if prime 3 is not included.
Tridecimal didacus (formerly ''roulette''; that name has now been reassigned to the no-threes 19-limit extension 37 & 68) is equivalent to [[hemiwur]] or [[grosstone]] with no mapping for prime 3. The mapping of prime 13 is somewhat strange, because it is the only mapping that requires a negative amount of generators (and a large amount of them), but it can be rationalized in a variety of ways, such as that because [[~]][[8/7]] is already tuned almost 3{{cent}} flat, it makes sense to equate two of it with [[~]][[13/10]] (tempering out the 8{{cent}} [[huntma]]). This mapping of 13 increases the [[badness]] of the temperament, but as it does not noticeably affect the optimal generators, it is usually a safe extension of didacus if prime 3 is not included.


Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13
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Comma list: 176/175, 640/637, 1375/1372
Comma list: 176/175, 640/637, 1375/1372


Sval mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -3 -7 13 | 0 2 5 9 -8 }}
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 -3 -7 13 | 0 2 5 9 -8 }}
 
: sval mapping generators: ~2, ~56/25


{{Mapping|legend=4| 1 0 2 2 2 5 | 0 0 2 5 9 -8 }}
{{Mapping|legend=4| 1 0 2 2 2 5 | 0 0 2 5 9 -8 }}


: gencom: [2 28/25; 176/175 1375/1372 640/637]
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1199.3069{{c}}, ~28/25 = 194.4820{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~28/25 = 194.5685{{c}}


Optimal tuning (POTE): 2 = 1\1, ~28/25 = 194.594
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 6, 25, 31, 37 }}
 
Optimal ET sequence: {{Optimal ET sequence| 6, 25, 31, 37 }}


Badness (Sintel): 0.324
Badness (Sintel): 0.324


==== Mediantone ====
==== Mediantone ====
Mediantone is named after its whole tone generator serving as the [[mediant]] of [[9/8]] and [[10/9]], namely [[19/17]], in addition to [[28/25]], as well as by the observation that this temperament seems to have been repeatedly rediscovered in parts in a variety of contexts, so that it seems to exist as a "median" of all of these temperaments' logics. It is also an intentional play on "[[meantone]]", as the context one is most likely to first discover this logic is when the tone also represents [[~]][[10/9]][[~]][[9/8]].
Mediantone is named after its whole tone generator serving as the [[mediant]] of [[9/8]] and [[10/9]], namely [[19/17]], in addition to [[28/25]], as well as by the observation that this temperament seems to have been repeatedly rediscovered in parts in a variety of contexts, so that it seems to exist as a "median" of all of these temperaments' logics. It is also an intentional play on ''meantone'', as the context one is most likely to first discover this logic is when the tone also represents 9/8~10/9.


In the full no-3's [[19-limit]], this temperament is a structure common to quite a few temperaments. It is a rank-2 version of [[orion]] with a mapping for primes 11 and 13. It is a no-3's version of 19-limit [[grosstone]] which can be seen as an extension of [[undecimal meantone]] according to the "mediant-tone" logic of this temperament, and which as aforementioned effectively doubles the complexity of the temperament as a result of finding the generator of [[~]][[19/17]][[~]][[28/25]] as ([[~]][[3/2]])<sup>2</sup>/[[2/1|2]]. It does not work so well as an extension for [[hemiwur]] to the full 19-limit, but if you want to try anyway (at the cost of primes 17 and 19), a notable patent-val tuning is [[37edo]], which finds prime 3 through the [[würschmidt]] mapping so that [[6/1]] is found at 16 generators.
In the full no-3's [[19-limit]], this temperament is a structure common to quite a few temperaments. It is a rank-2 version of [[orion]] with a mapping for primes 11 and 13. It is a no-3's version of 19-limit [[grosstone]] which can be seen as an extension of [[meantone family #Undecimal meantone (huygens)|undecimal meantone]] according to the "mediant-tone" logic of this temperament, and which as aforementioned effectively doubles the complexity of the temperament as a result of finding the generator of 19/17~28/25 as ([[3/2]])<sup>2</sup>/[[2/1|2]]. It does not work so well as an extension for [[hemiwur]] to the full 19-limit, but if you want to try anyway (at the cost of primes 17 and 19), a notable patent-val tuning is [[37edo]], which finds prime 3 through the [[würschmidt]] mapping so that [[6/1]] is found at 16 generators.


===== 2.5.7.11.13.17.19 subgroup =====
Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13.17.19
Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13.17.19


Comma list: [[176/175]], [[640/637]], [[221/220]], [[476/475]], [[1375/1372]]
Comma list: 176/175, 221/220, 476/475, 640/637, 1375/1372


Sval mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -3 -7 13 -18 -19 | 0 2 5 9 -8 19 20 }}
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 -3 -7 13 -18 -19 | 0 2 5 9 -8 19 20 }}


: sval mapping generators: ~2, ~56/25
Optimal tunings:  
 
* WE: ~2 = 1199.3213{{c}}, ~19/17 = 194.8469{{c}}
Optimal tuning (CWE): ~2 = 1\1, ~19/17 = 194.927
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~19/17 = 194.9266{{c}}
 
Optimal ET sequence: {{Optimal ET sequence| 6h, 31gh, 37, 80, 117d* }}


<nowiki />* 117d only appears without prime 19
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 6h, 31gh, 37, 80 }}


Badness (Sintel): 0.618
Badness (Sintel): 0.618
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{{See also | Chromatic pairs #Roulette }}
{{See also | Chromatic pairs #Roulette }}


Roulette is an alternative no-threes 19-limit extension of tridecimal didacus to mediantone (the two mappings converging at [[37edo]]), equating (8/7)<sup>2</sup> to [[17/13]] in addition to 13/10, tempering out [[170/169]] and [[833/832]]; in doing so, it also tempers out the micro-comma [[2000033/2000000]] so that ([[50/49]])<sup>3</sup> is equated to [[17/16]]. The generator is then equated to 19/17 in the same way as in mediantone.
Roulette is an alternative no-3's 19-limit extension of tridecimal didacus to mediantone (the two mappings converging at [[37edo]]), equating (8/7)<sup>2</sup> to [[17/13]] in addition to 13/10, tempering out [[170/169]] and [[833/832]]; in doing so, it also tempers out the micro-comma [[2000033/2000000]] so that ([[50/49]])<sup>3</sup> is equated to [[17/16]]. The generator is then equated to 19/17 in the same way as in mediantone.


===== 2.5.7.11.13.17.19 subgroup =====
Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13.17.19
Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13.17.19


Comma list: [[170/169]], [[176/175]], [[476/475]], [[640/637]], [[1375/1372]]
Comma list: 170/169, 176/175, 476/475, 640/637, 1375/1372


Sval mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 2 2 5 7 7 | 0 2 5 9 -8 -18 -17 }}
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 2 2 2 5 7 7 | 0 2 5 9 -8 -18 -17 }}


: sval mapping generators: ~2, ~28/25
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1199.7001{{c}}, ~19/17 = 194.2060{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~19/17 = 194.2588{{c}}


Optimal tuning (CWE): ~2 = 1\1, ~19/17 = 194.259
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 6g, 31, 37, 68, 105 }}
 
Optimal ET sequence: {{Optimal ET sequence| 6g, ... 31, 37, 68, 105 }}


Badness (Sintel): 0.676
Badness (Sintel): 0.676


== Rectified hebrew ==
== Rectified hebrew (2.5.7.13) ==
{{Main| Rectified hebrew }}
{{Main| Rectified hebrew }}


Rectified hebrew (37 &amp; 56) is derived from the [https://individual.utoronto.ca/kalendis/hebrew/rect.htm#353 calendar by the same name]. It is leap year pattern takes a stack of 18 Metonic cycle diatonic major scales and truncates the 19th one down to its generator, 11. It adds harmonic 13 through tempering out [[4394/4375]] and spliting the generator of didacus in three. Notably, it is the no-threes restriction of [[Sycamore family#Septimal sycamore|sycamore]].
Rectified hebrew (37 & 56) is derived from the [https://individual.utoronto.ca/kalendis/hebrew/rect.htm#353 calendar by the same name]. It is leap year pattern takes a stack of 18 Metonic cycle diatonic major scales and truncates the 19th one down to its generator, 11{{clarify}}. It adds harmonic 13 through tempering out [[4394/4375]] and spliting the generator of didacus in three. Notably, it is the no-3 no-11 restriction of [[Sycamore family #Septimal sycamore|sycamore]].


Subgroup: 2.5.7.13
Subgroup: 2.5.7.13
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Comma list: 3136/3125, 4394/4375
Comma list: 3136/3125, 4394/4375


Sval mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 2 3 | 0 6 15 13 }}
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 2 2 3 | 0 6 15 13 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~26/25


: sval mapping generators: ~2, ~26/25
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1199.8702{{c}}, ~26/25 = 64.6016{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~26/25 = 64.5947{{c}}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~26/25 = 64.6086
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 18, 19, 37, 93, 130 }}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 18, 19, 37, 93, 130 }}
Badness (Sintel): 0.329


== Isra ==
== Isra (2.9.5.7) ==
Isra (''iss-RAH'') results from taking every other generator of [[septimal meantone]], or from [[didacus]] if the generator is interpreted as 9/8. It is named after the Isrāʾ night journey in the Qur'an, because it is similar to [[luna]] (septimal [[hemithirds]], a didacus extension).
Isra (''iss-RAH'') results from taking every other generator of [[meantone family #Septimal meantone|septimal meantone]], or from didacus if the generator is interpreted as 9/8. It is named after the Isrāʾ night journey in the Qur'an, because it is similar to [[luna family #Luna|luna]], a restriction of [[#Hemithirds|hemithirds]], which is in turn an extension of didacus.


[[Subgroup]]: 2.9.5.7
Subgroup: 2.9.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 81/80, 126/125
Comma list: 81/80, 126/125


{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 -4 -13 | 0 1 2 5 }}
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 -4 -13 | 0 1 2 5 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~9


: sval mapping generators: ~2, ~9
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1201.2358{{c}}, ~9/8 = 193.1885{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~9/8 = 193.3124{{c}}


[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~9/8 = 192.9898
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 6, 19, 25, 31, 56b′, 87b′ }}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 6, 19, 25, 31, 56b, 87b }}
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.173


=== Tutone ===
=== Tutone ===
Tutone is every other step of [[Meantone vs meanpop|undecimal meantone]], or undecimal [[didacus]] with the generator interpreted as 9/8.
Tutone is every other step of undecimal meantone, or undecimal didacus with the generator interpreted as 9/8.


[[Subgroup]]: 2.9.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.9.5.7.11


[[Comma list]]: 81/80, 99/98, 126/125
Comma list: 81/80, 99/98, 126/125


{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 -4 -13 -25 | 0 1 2 5 9 }}
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 -4 -13 -25 | 0 1 2 5 9 }}


{{Mapping|legend=5| 1 3/2 2 2 2 | 0 1/2 2 5 9 }}
{{Mapping|legend=4| 1 0 -4 -13 -25 | 0 1/2 2 5 9 }}


: [[gencom]]: [2 9/8; 81/80 99/98 126/125]
Optimal tunings:  
 
* WE: ~2 = 1200.7636{{c}}, ~9/8 = 194.0608{{c}}
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~9/8 = 193.937
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~9/8 = 194.0629{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 6, 19e, 25, 31, 68b, 99b }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 6, 19e, 25, 31, 68b′, 99b′ }}


[[Badness]]: 0.00536
Badness (Sintel): 0.281


=== Leantone ===
=== Leantone ===
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Leantone is every other step of [[vincenzo]].  
Leantone is every other step of [[vincenzo]].  


[[Subgroup]]: 2.9.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.9.5.7.11


[[Comma list]]: 45/44, 56/55, 81/80
Comma list: 45/44, 56/55, 81/80


{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 -4 -13 -6 | 0 1 2 5 3 }}
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 -4 -13 -6 | 0 1 2 5 3 }}


{{Mapping|legend=5| 1 3/2 2 2 3 | 0 1/2 2 5 3 }}
{{Mapping|legend=4| 1 0 -4 -13 -6 | 0 1/2 2 5 3 }}


: [[gencom]]: [2 9/8; 45/44 56/55 81/80]
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1199.6946{{c}}, ~9/8 = 192.4513{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~9/8 = 192.4166{{c}}


[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~9/8 = 192.500
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 6, 19, 25e }}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 6, 7, 13, 19, 25e, 31e, 56bee, 81beee }}
Badness (Sintel): 0.354
 
[[Tp tuning #T2 tuning|RMS error]]: 3.882 cents


=== Deutone ===
=== Deutone ===
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Deutone is (also) every other step of [[vincenzo]].  
Deutone is (also) every other step of [[vincenzo]].  


[[Subgroup]]: 2.9.5.7.13
Subgroup: 2.9.5.7.13


[[Comma list]]: 65/64, 81/80, 91/90
Comma list: 65/64, 81/80, 91/90


{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 -4 -13 10 | 0 1 2 5 -2 }}
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 -4 -13 10 | 0 1 2 5 -2 }}


{{Mapping|legend=5| 1 3/2 2 2 0 4 | 0 1/2 2 5 0 -2 }}
{{Mapping|legend=4| 1 0 -4 -13 0 10 | 0 1/2 2 5 0 -2 }}


: [[gencom]]: [2 9/8; 65/64 81/80 91/90]
Optimal tunings:  
 
* WE: ~2 = 1203.3456{{c}}, ~9/8 = 191.5914{{c}}
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~9/8 = 191.059
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~9/8 = 191.4621{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 6, 7, 13, 19, 25f, 44df }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 6, 7, 13, 19, 25f, 44df }}


[[Tp tuning #T2 tuning|RMS error]]: 2.003 cents
Badness (Sintel): 0.325


== References ==
== References ==