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The [[Carlos Gamma]] rank-1 temperament divides 3/2 into 20 equal parts, 11 of which give a 5/4. This is closely related to the rank-2 microtemperament tempering out {{monzo| -29 -11 20 }}, the [[gammic comma]]. This temperament, '''gammic''', takes 11 [[generator]] steps to reach 5/4, and 20 to reach 3/2. The generator in question is 1990656/1953125 = {{monzo| 13 5 -9 }}, which when suitably tempered is very close to 5/171 octaves, which makes for an ideal gammic tuning. As a 5-limit temperament supported by [[171edo]], [[Schismatic family|schismatic]] temperament makes for a natural comparison. Schismic, tempering out {{monzo| -15 8 1 }}, the [[schisma]], is plainly much less complex than gammic, but people seeking the exotic might prefer gammic even so. The 34-note mos is interesting, being a 1L 33s refinement of the [[34edo]] tuning. Of course gammic can be tuned to 34, which makes the two equivalent, and would rather remove the point of Carlos Gamma if used for it.
The '''gammic family''' of [[regular temperament|temperaments]] [[tempering out|tempers out]] the [[gammic comma]] ({{monzo|legend=1| -29 -11 20 }}), a [[5-limit]] comma of about 4.77 cents in size.  


Because 171 is such a strong [[7-limit]] system, it is natural to extend gammic to the 7-limit. This we may do by adding [[4375/4374]] to the comma list. 96 gammic generators finally reach 7, which is a long way to go compared to the 39 generator steps of pontiac. If someone wants to make the trip, a 103-note mos is possible.
== Gammic ==
The [[Carlos Gamma]] rank-1 temperament divides a [[~]][[3/2]] into 20 equal parts, 11 of which give a ~[[5/4]]. This is closely related to the rank-2 [[microtemperament]] tempering out {{monzo| -29 -11 20 }}, the gammic comma. This temperament, gammic, takes 11 [[generator]] steps to reach 5/4, and 20 to reach 3/2. The generator in question is ~[[1990656/1953125]] ({{monzo| 13 5 -9 }}), which when suitably tempered is very close to [[171edo|5\171]], which makes for an ideal gammic tuning.
 
As a 5-limit temperament supported by 171edo, the [[schismic]] temperament makes for a natural comparison. Schismic, tempering out the [[schisma]] ({{monzo| -15 8 1 }}), is plainly much less complex than gammic, but people seeking the exotic might prefer gammic even so.
 
The 34-note [[mos]] is interesting, being a 1L 33s refinement of the [[34edo]] tuning. Of course gammic can be tuned to 34edo, which makes the two equivalent, and would rather remove the point of Carlos Gamma if used for it.


== Gammic ==
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5


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=== 2.3.5.17 subgroup ===
=== Overview to extensions ===
The interval of 3 generators represents 1/3 of [[6/5]], which is very close to [[17/16]], with the comma between 6/5 and (17/16)<sup>3</sup> being [[24576/24565]] ([[S-expression|S16/S17]]). This then naturally interprets the generator as [[51/50]] with two generators representing [[25/24]], tempering out [[15625/15606]] (S49⋅S50<sup>2</sup>).
==== 7-limit extensions ====
 
Because 171 is such a strong [[7-limit]] system, it is well motivated to extend gammic to the 7-limit. This we may do by adding [[4375/4374]] to the comma list. 96 gammic generators finally reach 7, which is a long way to go compared to the 39 generator steps of [[pontiac]]. If someone wants to make the trip, a 103-note generator chain is possible.
Subgroup: 2.3.5.17


Comma list: 15625/15606, 24576/24565
==== Subgroup extensions ====
 
Gammic also naturally extends with the [[17/1|17th harmonic]], as is given in [[#Subgroup extensions_2|#Subgroup extensions]].  
Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 4 | 0 20 11 3 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~51/50
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1199.9899{{c}}, ~51/50 = 35.1008{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~51/50 = 35.1008{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 34, 103, 137, 171, 376, 547 }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 0.320


== Septimal gammic ==
== Septimal gammic ==
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== Neptune ==
== Neptune ==
A more interesting extension is to neptune, which divides an octave plus a gammic generator in half, to get a 10/7 generator. Neptune adds [[2401/2400]] to the gammic comma, and may be described as the 68&amp;171 temperament. The generator chain goes merrily on, stacking one 10/7 over another, until after eighteen generator steps 6/5 (up nine octaves) is reached. Then in succession we get 12/7, the neutral third, 7/4 and 5/4. Two neutral thirds then gives a fifth, and these intervals with their inverses are the full set of [[7-odd-limit]] consonances. [[171edo]] makes a good tuning, and we can also choose to make any of the consonances besides 7/5 and 10/7 just, including the fifth, which gives a tuning extending [[Carlos Gamma]].  
A more interesting extension is to neptune, which divides an octave plus a gammic generator in half, to get a 10/7 generator. Neptune adds [[2401/2400]] to the gammic comma, and may be described as the {{nowrap| 68 & 171 }} temperament. The generator chain goes merrily on, stacking one 10/7 over another, until after eighteen generator steps [[6/5]] (up nine octaves) is reached. Then in succession we get [[12/7]], the neutral third, [[7/4]] and [[5/4]]. Two neutral thirds then gives a fifth, and these intervals with their inverses are the full set of [[7-odd-limit]] consonances. [[171edo]] makes a good tuning, and we can also choose to make any of the consonances besides 7/5 and 10/7 just, including the fifth, which gives a tuning extending [[Carlos Gamma]].  


Adding 385/384 or 1375/1372 to the list of commas allows for an extension to the [[11-limit]], where (7/5)<sup>3</sup> equates to 11/4.  
Adding 385/384 or 1375/1372 to the list of commas allows for an extension to the [[11-limit]], where (7/5)<sup>3</sup> equates to 11/4.  
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== Subgroup extensions ==
=== Gammic (2.3.5.17) ===
The interval of 3 generators represents 1/3 of [[6/5]], which is very close to [[17/16]], with the comma between 6/5 and (17/16)<sup>3</sup> being [[24576/24565]] ([[S-expression|S16/S17]]). This then naturally interprets the generator as [[51/50]] with two generators representing [[25/24]], tempering out [[15625/15606]] (S49⋅S50<sup>2</sup>).
Subgroup: 2.3.5.17
Comma list: 15625/15606, 24576/24565
Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 4 | 0 20 11 3 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~51/50
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1199.9899{{c}}, ~51/50 = 35.1008{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~51/50 = 35.1008{{c}}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 34, 103, 137, 171, 376, 547 }}
Badness (Sintel): 0.320
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