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Aberschismic can be further tempered to [[garibaldi]], which expands the interpretations of 81/80~64/63 to include the Pythagorean comma (collapsing to a rank-2 structure), or alternatively, aberschismic can be seen as liberating the syntonic-septimal comma from garibaldi's chain of fifths.  
Aberschismic can be further tempered to [[garibaldi]], which expands the interpretations of 81/80~64/63 to include the Pythagorean comma (collapsing to a rank-2 structure), or alternatively, aberschismic can be seen as liberating the syntonic-septimal comma from garibaldi's chain of fifths.  


It is therefore very handy to adopt an additional module of accidentals such as arrows to represent the syntonic~septimal comma, in which case we have [[5/4]] at the down major third (C–vE) and [[7/4]] at the down minor seventh (C–vBb).  
It is therefore very handy to adopt an additional module of accidentals such as arrows to represent the syntonic~septimal comma, in which case we have [[5/4]] at the down major third (C–vE) and [[7/4]] at the down minor seventh (C–vB♭).  


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
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=== Overview to extensions ===
=== Overview to extensions ===
==== 11- and 13-limit extensions ====
==== 11- and 13-limit extensions ====
Strong extensions of aberschismic are [[#Pele|pele]], [[#Laka|laka]], [[#Akea|akea]], and [[#Lono|lono]]. The rest are weak extensions. Using the arrow to represent the syntonic~septimal comma, pele finds the [[11/8]] as a down diminished fifth (C–vG♭); laka, up augmented third (C–^E♯); akea, double-up fourth (C–^^F); lono, triple-down augmented fourth (C–v<sup>3</sup>F♯). All these extensions follow the trend of tuning the fifth a little sharp. Thus a successful mapping of 13 can be found by fixing the [[13/11]] at the minor third (C–Eb), tempering out [[352/351]], [[847/845]], and [[2080/2079]].  
Strong extensions of aberschismic are [[#Pele|pele]], [[#Laka|laka]], [[#Akea|akea]], and [[#Lono|lono]]. The rest are weak extensions. Using the arrow to represent the syntonic~septimal comma, pele finds the [[11/8]] as a down diminished fifth (C–vG♭); laka, up augmented third (C–^E♯); akea, double-up fourth (C–^^F); lono, triple-down augmented fourth (C–v<sup>3</sup>F♯). All these extensions follow the trend of tuning the fifth a little sharp, so a mapping for 13 arises from identifying [[13/11]] with the minor third (C–E♭), which is further facilitated by the fact that the minor third in aberschismic is the exact mean of [[6/5]] and [[7/6]], thus tempering out the [[semiparticular]] [[847/845]] ([[S-expression|S11/S13]]) and by extension [[352/351]] and [[2080/2079]].  


Temperaments discussed elsewhere include:  
Temperaments discussed elsewhere include:  
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==== Subgroup extensions ====
==== Subgroup extensions ====
A notable 2.3.5.7.19-subgroup extension, counterpyth, is considered in [[#Subgroup extensions]].  
A notable 2.3.5.7.19-subgroup extension, counterpyth, is considered in [[#Subgroup extensions]].


== Pele ==
== Pele ==
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Comma list: 196/195, 352/351, 364/363
Comma list: 196/195, 352/351, 364/363


Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 10 17 22 | 0 1 0 -6 -10 -13 | 0 0 1 1 1 1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 0 0 10 17 22 | 0 1 0 -6 -10 -13 | 0 0 1 1 1 1 }}


Optimal tunings:  
Optimal tunings:  
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Comma list: 196/195, 256/255, 352/351, 364/363
Comma list: 196/195, 256/255, 352/351, 364/363


Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 10 17 22 8 | 0 1 0 -6 -10 -13 -1 | 0 0 1 1 1 1 -1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 0 0 10 17 22 8 | 0 1 0 -6 -10 -13 -1 | 0 0 1 1 1 1 -1 }}


Optimal tunings:  
Optimal tunings:  
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{{Main| Laka }}
{{Main| Laka }}


Laka can be described as the {{nowrap| 41 & 53 & 58 }} temperament, tempering out [[540/539]], and finds the interval class of 11 at the up augmented third (C–^E#). [[Gene Ward Smith]] considered it a [[17-limit]] temperament, assigning the vanishing of [[442/441]] ({{nowrap| 41g & 53 & 58 }}) as the main extension, but {{nowrap| 41 & 53g & 58 }} also makes for a competitive extension.<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_101682.html#101776 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''Laka 17-limit minimax planar temperament'']</ref> Indeed, laka makes most sense as a 2.3.5.7.11.13.19-[[subgroup]] temperament, skipping prime 17, as the 19 is accurate and easily available in a 24-tone scale. [[152edo]] makes for an excellent tuning, using the 152f val for prime 13.  
Laka can be described as the {{nowrap| 41 & 53 & 58 }} temperament, tempering out [[540/539]], and finds the interval class of 11 at the up augmented third (C–^E♯). [[Gene Ward Smith]] considered it a [[17-limit]] temperament, assigning the vanishing of [[442/441]] ({{nowrap| 41g & 53 & 58 }}) as the main extension, but {{nowrap| 41 & 53g & 58 }} also makes for a competitive extension.<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_101682.html#101776 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''Laka 17-limit minimax planar temperament'']</ref> Indeed, laka makes most sense as a 2.3.5.7.11.13.19-[[subgroup]] temperament, skipping prime 17, as the 19 is accurate and easily available in a 24-tone scale. [[152edo]] makes for an excellent tuning, using the 152f val for prime 13.  


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11
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Comma list: 352/351, 540/539, 729/728
Comma list: 352/351, 540/539, 729/728


Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 10 -18 -13 | 0 1 0 -6 15 12 | 0 0 1 1 -1 -1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 0 0 10 -18 -13 | 0 1 0 -6 15 12 | 0 0 1 1 -1 -1 }}


Optimal tunings:  
Optimal tunings:  
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Comma list: 352/351, 400/399, 456/455, 495/494
Comma list: 352/351, 400/399, 456/455, 495/494


Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 10 -18 -13 -6 | 0 1 0 -6 15 12 5 | 0 0 1 1 -1 -1 1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 0 0 10 -18 -13 -6 | 0 1 0 -6 15 12 5 | 0 0 1 1 -1 -1 1 }}


Optimal tunings:  
Optimal tunings:  
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Comma list: 325/324, 352/351, 385/384
Comma list: 325/324, 352/351, 385/384


Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 10 -3 2 | 0 1 0 -6 7 4 | 0 0 1 1 -2 -2 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 0 0 10 -3 2 | 0 1 0 -6 7 4 | 0 0 1 1 -2 -2 }}


Lattice basis:  
Lattice basis:  
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== Lono ==
== Lono ==
Lono tempers out [[176/175]] and may be described as the {{nowrap| 46 & 53 & 58 }} temperament, finding the interval class of 11 at the triple-down augmented fourth (C–v<sup>3</sup>F#). It notably also tempers out [[8019/8000]], thus setting 11/10, 10/9, 9/8, and 8/7 a comma apart from each other. [[111edo]] is a great tuning for it. [[157edo]] is a viable alternative, which is almost as good.  
Lono tempers out [[176/175]] and may be described as the {{nowrap| 46 & 53 & 58 }} temperament, finding the interval class of 11 at the triple-down augmented fourth (C–v<sup>3</sup>F♯). It notably also tempers out [[8019/8000]], thus setting 11/10, 10/9, 9/8, and 8/7 a comma apart from each other. [[111edo]] is a great tuning for it. [[157edo]] is a viable alternative, which is almost as good.  


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11
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Comma list: 176/175, 351/350, 847/845
Comma list: 176/175, 351/350, 847/845


Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 10 6 11 | 0 1 0 -6 -6 -9 | 0 0 1 1 3 3 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 0 0 10 6 11 | 0 1 0 -6 -6 -9 | 0 0 1 1 3 3 }}


Optimal tunings:  
Optimal tunings:  
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== Kapo ==
== Kapo ==
Kapo tempers out 3025/3024, the [[lehmerisma]], as well as 16384/16335, the [[semiporwellisma]], thus splitting the [[~]][[5/3]] to two equal parts of ~[[128/99]] each. The only practical 13-limit extension maps [[13/11]] to the diatonic minor third, like the other temperaments in this family.
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11


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[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.19
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.19
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 352/351, 847/845, 3025/3024
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 0 0 10 7 12 | 0 1 1 -5 -2 -5 | 0 0 2 2 -1 -1 }}
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1199.6256{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.7250{{c}}, ~84/65 = 442.0740{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.9733{{c}}, ~84/65 = 442.1684{{c}}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 41, 46, 65d, 87, 111, 152f, 198, 350f, 437f, 635bcff }}
Badness (Sintel): 0.938


== Namaka ==
== Namaka ==
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Comma list: 352/351, 676/675, 847/845
Comma list: 352/351, 676/675, 847/845


Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 10 -6 -1 | 0 2 0 -12 9 3 | 0 0 1 1 1 1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 0 0 10 -6 -1 | 0 2 0 -12 9 3 | 0 0 1 1 1 1 }}


Optimal tunings:  
Optimal tunings:  
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== Subgroup extensions ==
== Subgroup extensions ==
=== Counterpyth (2.3.5.7.19) ===
=== Counterpyth (2.3.5.7.19) ===
{{Main| Counterpyth }}
[[File:Lattice Counterpyth RTT.png|thumb|Lattice for counterpyth.]]


Developed analogous to [[parapyth]], counterpyth is an extension of aberschismic with an even milder fifth, as it finds [[19/15]] at the major third (C–E) and [[19/10]] at the major seventh (C–B). Notice the factorization {{nowrap| 5120/5103 {{=}} ([[400/399]])⋅([[1216/1215]]) }}. Other important ratios are [[21/19]] at the diminished third (C–Ebb) and [[19/14]] at the augmented third (C–E#).  
Inspired by [[Margo Schulter]]'s [[parapyth]], counterpyth was named and first explored by [[Flora Canou]] in 2024. It is an extension of aberschismic with an even milder fifth, as it finds [[19/15]] at the major third (C–E) and [[19/10]] at the major seventh (C–B), taking advantage of the factorization {{nowrap| 5120/5103 {{=}} ([[400/399]])⋅([[1216/1215]]) }}. Other important ratios are [[21/19]] at the diminished third (C–E𝄫) and [[19/14]] at the augmented third (C–E♯).  


It can be further extended via the mappings of laka or akea, while working less well with pele or lono due to their much sharper fifths.  
It can be further extended via the mappings of laka or akea, while working less well with pele or lono due to their much sharper fifths.  
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Comma list: 400/399, 1216/1215
Comma list: 400/399, 1216/1215


Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 10 -6 | 0 1 0 -6 5 | 0 0 1 1 1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 0 0 10 -6 | 0 1 0 -6 5 | 0 0 1 1 1 }}


Optimal tunings:  
Optimal tunings:  
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== References ==
== References ==


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