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m Intervals: some important otonal and utonal ratios of the extremely accurate 2.5.7 interpretation were removed at some point. specifically, 31edo is a circle of 35/32's, so as the less accurate 5*5=25 is included, so should 7*7=49 and 35*5=175. these are more important than dubious 13-limit interpretations imo. also, why is there no diesis?
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Prime 11 is somewhat less accurate, making intervals like [[11/8]] off by about 9 cents. However, intervals like [[11/9]] and [[11/6]] are approximated quite well because the errors cancel out. This makes 31edo a very tone-efficient melodic approximation of the [[11-limit]] (and specifically the [[11-odd-limit]]), although it conflates [[9/7]] with [[14/11]] and [[11/8]] with [[15/11]]. It also maps most [[15-odd-limit]] intervals [[consistent]]ly, the exceptions being [[13/9]], [[13/11]], and their [[octave complement]]s.
Prime 11 is somewhat less accurate, making intervals like [[11/8]] off by about 9 cents. However, intervals like [[11/9]] and [[11/6]] are approximated quite well because the errors cancel out. This makes 31edo a very tone-efficient melodic approximation of the [[11-limit]] (and specifically the [[11-odd-limit]]), although it conflates [[9/7]] with [[14/11]] and [[11/8]] with [[15/11]]. It also maps most [[15-odd-limit]] intervals [[consistent]]ly, the exceptions being [[13/9]], [[13/11]], and their [[octave complement]]s.


Other ways in which 31edo is especially accurate is that it represents a record in [[Pepper ambiguity]] in the [[7-odd-limit|7-]], [[9-odd-limit|9-]], and [[11-odd-limit]], which it is consistent through. It is also a [[the Riemann zeta function and tuning #Zeta EDO lists|strict zeta edo]], meaning that it is a zeta peak, zeta peak integer, zeta integral, and zeta gap edo all at once.
Other ways in which 31edo is especially accurate is that it represents a record in [[Pepper ambiguity]] in the [[7-odd-limit|7-]], [[9-odd-limit|9-]], and [[11-odd-limit]], which it is consistent through. It is also a [[strict zeta edo]], meaning that it is a zeta peak, zeta peak integer, zeta integral, and zeta gap edo all at once.


One step of 31edo, measuring about 38.7{{c}}, is called a [[diesis]] because it stands in for several intervals called ''dieses'' (most notably, [[128/125]] and [[648/625]]) which are tempered out in [[12edo]]. The diesis is a defining sound of 31edo; when it does not appear directly in a scale, it often shows up as the difference between two or more intervals of a similar size. The diesis is demonstrated in [[SpiralProgressions]]. [[Zhea Erose]]'s 31edo music uses the interval frequently.
One step of 31edo, measuring about 38.7{{c}}, is called a [[diesis]] because it stands in for several intervals called ''dieses'' (most notably, [[128/125]] and [[648/625]]) which are tempered out in [[12edo]]. The diesis is a defining sound of 31edo; when it does not appear directly in a scale, it often shows up as the difference between two or more intervals of a similar size. The diesis is demonstrated in [[SpiralProgressions]]. [[Zhea Erose]]'s 31edo music uses the interval frequently.


In terms of interval categories, because 31edo is a meantone system, the major and minor seconds, thirds, sixth, and sevenths on the chain of fifths are equated to [[5-limit]] intervals, those being [[16/15]], [[10/9]], [[6/5]], [[5/4]], and their [[octave complement]]s. 31edo maps the chromatic semitone to two steps, meaning there are "[[neutral (interval quality)|neutral]]" intervals between minor and major ones, which are not found in [[12edo]]. They can be represented by [[11-limit]] intervals, with [[11/10]]~[[12/11]] being a neutral second, and [[11/9]]~[[27/22]] a neutral third. One step in the other direction from the classical intervals are the subminor and supermajor intervals, which can be seen as intervals of prime [[7/1|7]]. The subminor second is [[21/20]]~[[28/27]], the supermajor second [[8/7]], the subminor third [[7/6]], and the supermajor third [[9/7]]~[[14/11]]. 31edo thus has five varieties of seconds and thirds, which is much more than the two varieties in 12edo.
In terms of interval categories, because 31edo is a meantone system, the major and minor seconds, thirds, sixth, and sevenths on the chain of fifths are equated to [[5-limit]] intervals, those being [[16/15]], [[10/9]], [[6/5]], [[5/4]], and their [[octave complement]]s. 31edo maps the chromatic semitone to two steps, meaning there are "[[neutral (interval quality)|neutral]]" intervals between minor and major ones, which are not found in [[12edo]]. They can be represented by [[11-limit]] intervals, with {{nowrap|[[11/10]]~[[12/11]]}} being a neutral second, and [[11/9]]~[[27/22]] a neutral third. One step in the other direction from the classical intervals are the subminor and supermajor intervals, which can be seen as intervals of prime [[7/1|7]]. The subminor second is {{nowrap|[[21/20]]~[[28/27]]}}, the supermajor second [[8/7]], the subminor third [[7/6]], and the supermajor third [[9/7]]~[[14/11]]. 31edo thus has five varieties of seconds and thirds each, which is much more than the two varieties available in 12edo.


=== Prime harmonics ===
=== Prime harmonics ===
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Besides meantone, 31edo can be used as a tuning for [[mohajira]], [[mothra]] or less optimally [[miracle]] and [[valentine]]. These temperaments split 31edo's fifth, at 18 steps, into two, three, six, and nine equal parts. In fact, 31edo can be defined as the unique temperament that [[tempering out|tempers out]] [[81/80]], [[99/98]], [[121/120]], and [[126/125]].
Besides meantone, 31edo can be used as a tuning for [[mohajira]], [[mothra]] or less optimally [[miracle]] and [[valentine]]. These temperaments split 31edo's fifth, at 18 steps, into two, three, six, and nine equal parts. In fact, 31edo can be defined as the unique temperament that [[tempering out|tempers out]] [[81/80]], [[99/98]], [[121/120]], and [[126/125]].


If we split the meantone [[generator]] of ~3/2 into two neutral thirds, each representing [[11/9]]~[[27/22]], then we get the [[2.3.5.11 subgroup|2.3.5.11-subgroup]] temperament [[mohaha]], tempering out [[121/120]] and [[243/242]]. We can then map [[7/4]] to the semi-diminished seventh (-13 generators), tempering out [[385/384]], to get the full 11-limit mohajira temperament, which maps 7/6, 6/5, 11/9, 5/4, and 9/7 equidistant from each other. Alternatively, we can use the septimal meantone mapping of 7/4 (+20 generators) to get [[migration]]. Mohajira and [[migration]] merge in 31edo, and create a near-optimal 11-limit meantone structure in one unified system.
If we split the meantone [[generator]] of ~3/2 into two neutral thirds, each representing [[11/9]]~[[27/22]], then we get the [[2.3.5.11 subgroup|2.3.5.11-subgroup]] temperament [[mohaha]], tempering out [[121/120]] and [[243/242]]. We can then map [[7/4]] to the semi-diminished seventh (−13 generators), tempering out [[385/384]], to get the full 11-limit mohajira temperament, which maps 7/6, 6/5, 11/9, 5/4, and 9/7 equidistant from each other. Alternatively, we can use the septimal meantone mapping of 7/4 (+20 generators) to get [[migration]]. Mohajira and [[migration]] merge in 31edo, and create a near-optimal 11-limit meantone structure in one unified system.


The supermajor second [[8/7]] is mapped to a third of the perfect fifth in 31edo, thus tempering out [[1029/1024]], supporting [[slendric]] in the [[2.3.7 subgroup|2.3.7-subgroup]]. Slendric is a [[cluster temperament]] with 5 clusters of notes in an octave, each with nearby intervals separated by the interval found at -5 generators, or 1 step of 31edo, representing [[49/48]]~[[64/63]]. For example, 9/8, 8/7, and 7/6 are one step apart from each other, as well as 9/7, 21/16, and 4/3. 31edo supports the full 7-limit extension mothra, which tempers out 81/80, thus equating the 49/48~64/63 spacer with [[36/35]], so that 9/8~10/9, 8/7, 7/6, and 6/5 are all mapped equidistantly, as well as 5/4, 9/7, 21/16, and 4/3. Mothra splits into two 11-limit extensions: [[Gamelismic clan#Undecimal mothra|undecimal mothra]] (26 & 31) tempering out [[99/98]], and [[mosura]] (31 & 36) tempering out [[176/175]].
The supermajor second [[8/7]] is mapped to a third of the perfect fifth in 31edo, thus tempering out [[1029/1024]], supporting [[slendric]] in the [[2.3.7 subgroup|2.3.7-subgroup]]. Slendric is a [[cluster temperament]] with 5 clusters of notes in an octave, each with nearby intervals separated by the interval found at −5 generators, or 1 step of 31edo, representing {{nowrap|[[49/48]]~[[64/63]]}}. For example, 9/8, 8/7, and 7/6 are one step apart from each other, as well as 9/7, 21/16, and 4/3. 31edo supports the full 7-limit extension mothra, which tempers out 81/80, thus equating the {{nowrap|49/48~64/63}} spacer with [[36/35]], so that {{nowrap|9/8~10/9}}, 8/7, 7/6, and 6/5 are all mapped equidistantly, as well as 5/4, 9/7, 21/16, and 4/3. Mothra splits into two 11-limit extensions: [[Gamelismic clan#Undecimal mothra|undecimal mothra]] ({{nowrap|26 & 31}}) tempering out [[99/98]], and [[mosura]] ({{nowrap|31 & 36}}) tempering out [[176/175]].


[[Miracle]] temperament splits the slendric generator in two parts and the perfect fifth in six, each representing [[15/14]]~[[16/15]], thus tempering out [[225/224]], so that 5/4 is found at -7 generators. The 11-limit version of miracle sets 11/9 to the neutral third, with prime 11 mapped at +15 generators. While 31edo supports miracle, a more accurate tuning is [[72edo]]. [[Valentine]] temperament splits the slendric generator in three parts and the perfect fifth in nine, each representing [[21/20]], tempering out [[126/125]]. Valentine can also be seen as [[Carlos Alpha]] but with octaves added. The canonical 11-limit extension equates the step with [[22/21]], thus tempering out [[121/120]], [[176/175]], and [[441/440]].
[[Miracle]] temperament splits the slendric generator in two parts and the perfect fifth in six, each representing [[15/14]]~[[16/15]], thus tempering out [[225/224]], so that 5/4 is found at −7 generators. The 11-limit version of miracle sets 11/9 to the neutral third, with prime 11 mapped at +15 generators. While 31edo supports miracle, a more accurate tuning is [[72edo]]. [[Valentine]] temperament splits the slendric generator in three parts and the perfect fifth in nine, each representing [[21/20]], tempering out [[126/125]]. Valentine can also be seen as [[Carlos Alpha]] but with octaves added. The canonical 11-limit extension equates the step with [[22/21]], thus tempering out [[121/120]], [[176/175]], and [[441/440]].


31edo also [[support]]s [[orwell]], which splits the [[3/1|perfect twelfth]] into seven equal parts of ~7/6. Three of these reach [[8/5]], and two reach [[11/8]], with 1–7/6–11/8–8/5 being the [[orwell tetrad]]. Commas tempered out by orwell include [[99/98]], [[121/120]], [[176/175]], and [[385/384]], among others.
31edo also [[support]]s [[orwell]], which splits the [[3/1|perfect twelfth]] into seven equal parts of ~7/6. Three of these reach [[8/5]], and two reach [[11/8]], with 1–7/6–11/8–8/5 being the [[orwell tetrad]]. Commas tempered out by orwell include [[99/98]], [[121/120]], [[176/175]], and [[385/384]], among others.


Another notable temperament it supports is [[myna]], which is generated by the minor third, and sets the intervals [[7/6]], [[6/5]], 11/9~[[16/13]], 5/4, and 9/7 being equidistant. Like mohajira, it creates five interval categories, but with 126/125 tempered out instead of 81/80.
Another notable temperament it supports is [[myna]], which is generated by the minor third, and sets the intervals [[7/6]], [[6/5]], {{nowrap|11/9~[[16/13]]}}, 5/4, and 9/7 being equidistant. Like mohajira, it creates five interval categories, but with 126/125 tempered out instead of 81/80.


31edo also supports [[squares]], which splits the [[8/3|perfect eleventh]] into four equal parts, each representing [[14/11]]~9/7, two of which make [[18/11]], and four of which make [[8/3]]. The [[2.3.7.11-subgroup|2.3.7.11 subgroup]] version of this temperament is sometimes known as ''skwares'', tempering out 99/98 and 243/242. Then, prime [[5/1|5]] is found by tempering out [[81/80]], completing the 11-limit.
31edo also supports [[squares]], which splits the [[8/3|perfect eleventh]] into four equal parts, each representing {{nowrap|[[14/11]]~9/7}}, two of which make [[18/11]], and four of which make [[8/3]]. The [[2.3.7.11-subgroup|2.3.7.11 subgroup]] version of this temperament is sometimes known as ''skwares'', tempering out 99/98 and 243/242. Then, prime [[5/1|5]] is found by tempering out [[81/80]], completing the 11-limit.


Another temperament supported by 31edo is [[würschmidt]], which is generated by 5/4, such that 8 intervals of 5/4 reach [[6/1]]. Würschmidt extends to the 7- and 11-limit through the skwares mapping, also creating 5 interval categories, with the thirds being 7/6, 6/5, 11/9, 5/4, and 14/11~9/7, each equidistant from each other.
Another temperament supported by 31edo is [[würschmidt]], which is generated by 5/4, such that 8 intervals of 5/4 reach [[6/1]]. Würschmidt extends to the 7- and 11-limit through the skwares mapping, also creating 5 interval categories, with the thirds being 7/6, 6/5, 11/9, 5/4, and {{nowrap|14/11~9/7}}, each equidistant from each other.


=== Subsets and supersets ===
=== Subsets and supersets ===
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! Interval categories
! Interval categories
! Approximate ratios<ref group="note">As a 13-limit temperament, with additional ratios of 17, 19, and 23. Inconsistent intervals are in ''italics''.</ref>
! Approximate ratios<ref group="note">As a 13-limit temperament, with additional ratios of 17, 19, and 23. Inconsistent intervals are in ''italics''.</ref>
! [[Kite's ups and downs notation|Ups and downs notation]]
! colspan="2" |[[Kite's ups and downs notation|Ups and downs notation]]
([[Enharmonic unisons in ups and downs notation|EUs]]: vvA1 and vd2)
|-
|-
| 0
| 0
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| Unison
| Unison
| [[1/1]]
| [[1/1]]
|P1
| {{UDnote|step=0}}
| {{UDnote|step=0}}
|-
|-
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| Super-unison
| Super-unison
| [[36/35]], [[45/44]], [[49/48]], [[50/49]], [[64/63]], [[128/125]]
| [[36/35]], [[45/44]], [[49/48]], [[50/49]], [[64/63]], [[128/125]]
|^1, d2
| {{UDnote|step=1}}
| {{UDnote|step=1}}
|-
|-
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| Subminor second
| Subminor second
| [[21/20]], [[22/21]], [[23/22]], [[25/24]], [[28/27]]
| [[21/20]], [[22/21]], [[23/22]], [[25/24]], [[28/27]]
|A1, vm2
| {{UDnote|step=2}}
| {{UDnote|step=2}}
|-
|-
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| Minor second
| Minor second
| [[14/13]], [[15/14]], [[16/15]]
| [[14/13]], [[15/14]], [[16/15]]
|m2
| {{UDnote|step=3}}
| {{UDnote|step=3}}
|-
|-
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| Neutral second
| Neutral second
| [[11/10]], [[12/11]], [[13/12]], [[35/32]]
| [[11/10]], [[12/11]], [[13/12]], [[35/32]]
|~2
| {{UDnote|step=4}}
| {{UDnote|step=4}}
|-
|-
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| Major second
| Major second
| [[9/8]], [[10/9]], [[19/17]], [[28/25]]
| [[9/8]], [[10/9]], [[19/17]], [[28/25]]
|M2
| {{UDnote|step=5}}
| {{UDnote|step=5}}
|-
|-
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| Supermajor second
| Supermajor second
| [[8/7]]
| [[8/7]]
|^M2
| {{UDnote|step=6}}
| {{UDnote|step=6}}
|-
|-
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| Subminor third
| Subminor third
| [[7/6]]
| [[7/6]]
|vm3
| {{UDnote|step=7}}
| {{UDnote|step=7}}
|-
|-
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| Minor third
| Minor third
| [[6/5]], [[25/21]], ''[[13/11]]''
| [[6/5]], [[25/21]], ''[[13/11]]''
|m3
| {{UDnote|step=8}}
| {{UDnote|step=8}}
|-
|-
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| Neutral third
| Neutral third
| [[11/9]], [[16/13]]
| [[11/9]], [[16/13]]
|~3
| {{UDnote|step=9}}
| {{UDnote|step=9}}
|-
|-
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| Major third
| Major third
| [[5/4]]
| [[5/4]]
|M3
| {{UDnote|step=10}}
| {{UDnote|step=10}}
|-
|-
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| Supermajor third
| Supermajor third
| [[9/7]], [[14/11]], [[23/18]], [[32/25]]
| [[9/7]], [[14/11]], [[23/18]], [[32/25]]
|^M3
| {{UDnote|step=11}}
| {{UDnote|step=11}}
|-
|-
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| Subfourth
| Subfourth
| [[13/10]], [[17/13]], [[21/16]]
| [[13/10]], [[17/13]], [[21/16]]
|v4
| {{UDnote|step=12}}
| {{UDnote|step=12}}
|-
|-
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| Perfect fourth
| Perfect fourth
| [[4/3]]
| [[4/3]]
|P4
| {{UDnote|step=13}}
| {{UDnote|step=13}}
|-
|-
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| 541.9
| 541.9
| Superfourth
| Superfourth
| [[11/8]], [[15/11]], [[26/19]], ''[[18/13]]'', [[175/128]]
| [[11/8]], [[15/11]], [[26/19]], ''[[18/13]]'', [[48/35]]
|^4, ~4
| {{UDnote|step=14}}
| {{UDnote|step=14}}
|-
|-
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| Augmented fourth
| Augmented fourth
| [[7/5]], [[25/18]], [[45/32]]
| [[7/5]], [[25/18]], [[45/32]]
|A4, vd5
| {{UDnote|step=15}}
| {{UDnote|step=15}}
|-
|-
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| Diminished fifth
| Diminished fifth
| [[10/7]], [[36/25]], [[64/45]]
| [[10/7]], [[36/25]], [[64/45]]
|^A4, d5
| {{UDnote|step=16}}
| {{UDnote|step=16}}
|-
|-
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| 658.1
| 658.1
| Subfifth
| Subfifth
| [[16/11]], [[19/13]], [[22/15]], ''[[13/9]]'', [[256/175]]
| [[16/11]], [[19/13]], [[22/15]], ''[[13/9]]'', [[35/24]]
|v5, ~5
| {{UDnote|step=17}}
| {{UDnote|step=17}}
|-
|-
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| Perfect fifth
| Perfect fifth
| [[3/2]]
| [[3/2]]
|P5
| {{UDnote|step=18}}
| {{UDnote|step=18}}
|-
|-
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| Superfifth
| Superfifth
| [[20/13]], [[26/17]], [[32/21]]
| [[20/13]], [[26/17]], [[32/21]]
|^5
| {{UDnote|step=19}}
| {{UDnote|step=19}}
|-
|-
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| Subminor sixth
| Subminor sixth
| [[11/7]], [[14/9]], [[25/16]]
| [[11/7]], [[14/9]], [[25/16]]
|vm6
| {{UDnote|step=20}}
| {{UDnote|step=20}}
|-
|-
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| Minor sixth
| Minor sixth
| [[8/5]]
| [[8/5]]
|m6
| {{UDnote|step=21}}
| {{UDnote|step=21}}
|-
|-
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| Neutral sixth
| Neutral sixth
| [[13/8]], [[18/11]]
| [[13/8]], [[18/11]]
|~6
| {{UDnote|step=22}}
| {{UDnote|step=22}}
|-
|-
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| Major sixth
| Major sixth
| [[5/3]], [[42/25]], ''[[22/13]]''
| [[5/3]], [[42/25]], ''[[22/13]]''
|M6
| {{UDnote|step=23}}
| {{UDnote|step=23}}
|-
|-
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| Supermajor sixth
| Supermajor sixth
| [[12/7]]
| [[12/7]]
|^M6
| {{UDnote|step=24}}
| {{UDnote|step=24}}
|-
|-
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| Subminor seventh
| Subminor seventh
| [[7/4]]
| [[7/4]]
|vm7
| {{UDnote|step=25}}
| {{UDnote|step=25}}
|-
|-
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| Minor seventh
| Minor seventh
| [[9/5]], [[16/9]], [[25/14]], [[34/19]]
| [[9/5]], [[16/9]], [[25/14]], [[34/19]]
|m7
| {{UDnote|step=26}}
| {{UDnote|step=26}}
|-
|-
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| Neutral seventh
| Neutral seventh
| [[11/6]], [[20/11]], [[24/13]], [[64/35]]
| [[11/6]], [[20/11]], [[24/13]], [[64/35]]
|~7
| {{UDnote|step=27}}
| {{UDnote|step=27}}
|-
|-
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| Major seventh
| Major seventh
| [[13/7]], [[15/8]], [[28/15]]
| [[13/7]], [[15/8]], [[28/15]]
|M7
| {{UDnote|step=28}}
| {{UDnote|step=28}}
|-
|-
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| Supermajor seventh
| Supermajor seventh
| [[21/11]], [[27/14]], [[40/21]], [[44/23]], [[48/25]]
| [[21/11]], [[27/14]], [[40/21]], [[44/23]], [[48/25]]
|^M7
| {{UDnote|step=29}}
| {{UDnote|step=29}}
|-
|-
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| Sub-octave
| Sub-octave
| [[35/18]], [[49/25]], [[63/32]], [[88/45]], [[96/49]], [[125/64]]
| [[35/18]], [[49/25]], [[63/32]], [[88/45]], [[96/49]], [[125/64]]
|v8
| {{UDnote|step=30}}
| {{UDnote|step=30}}
|-
|-
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| Octave
| Octave
| [[2/1]]
| [[2/1]]
|P8
| {{UDnote|step=31}}
| {{UDnote|step=31}}
|}
|}
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{| class="wikitable center-all right-2 left-4 left-7 left-10 mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"
|+ style="white-space: nowrap;" | Table of proposed interval names and solfèges
|+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | Table of proposed interval names and solfèges
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! #
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| 6:7:9
| 6:7:9
| {{dash|0, 7, 18|s=hair|d=med}}
| {{dash|0, 7, 18|s=hair|d=med}}
|{{dash|C, vE{{flat}}, G|s=hair|d=med}} or {{dash|C, E{{sesquiflat}}, G|s=hair|d=med}}
| {{dash|C, vE{{flat}}, G|s=hair|d=med}} or {{dash|C, E{{sesquiflat}}, G|s=hair|d=med}}
| Cvm
| Cvm
| C downminor
| C downminor
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| 18:22:27
| 18:22:27
| {{dash|0, 9, 18|s=hair|d=med}}
| {{dash|0, 9, 18|s=hair|d=med}}
|{{dash|C, vE, G|s=hair|d=med}} or {{dash|C, E{{demiflat}}, G|s=hair|d=med}}
| {{dash|C, vE, G|s=hair|d=med}} or {{dash|C, E{{demiflat}}, G|s=hair|d=med}}
| C~
| C~
| C mid
| C mid
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| 14:18:21
| 14:18:21
| {{dash|0, 11, 18|s=hair|d=med}}
| {{dash|0, 11, 18|s=hair|d=med}}
|{{dash|C, ^E, G|s=hair|d=med}} or {{dash|C, E{{demisharp}}, G|s=hair|d=med}}
| {{dash|C, ^E, G|s=hair|d=med}} or {{dash|C, E{{demisharp}}, G|s=hair|d=med}}
| C^
| C^
| C up, C upmajor
| C up, C upmajor