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=== Archy === | === Archy === | ||
See [[Archytas clan #Archy]]. | See [[Archytas clan #Archy]]. | ||
==== Suhajira ==== | ==== Suhajira ==== | ||
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=== Slendroschismic === | === Slendroschismic === | ||
See [[5th-octave temperaments #Slendroschismic]]. | See [[5th-octave temperaments #Slendroschismic]]. | ||
=== Navy === | === Navy === | ||
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=== Purpleheart === | === Purpleheart === | ||
{{ | {{Main| Whitewood }} | ||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.7 | ||
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=== Neutral === | === Neutral === | ||
See [[Rastmic clan #Neutral]]. | See [[Rastmic clan #Neutral]]. | ||
=== Io === | === Io === | ||
Io is a very low-complexity temperament which tempers out the undecimal quartertone [[33/32]]. This equates very different intervals (for example, the generator itself represents both [[3/2]] and [[16/11]]), and as such some consider it to be an [[exotemperament]]. It has an extremely wide generator range, but the most accurate tunings are generally inside the range of [[flattone]] temperament. | Io is a very low-complexity temperament which tempers out the undecimal quartertone [[33/32]]. This equates very different intervals (for example, the generator itself represents both [[3/2]] and [[16/11]]), and as such some consider it to be an [[exotemperament]]. It has an extremely wide generator range, but the most accurate tunings are generally inside the range of [[flattone]] temperament. | ||
The name ''io'' was coined by | The name ''io'' was coined by {{u|CompactStar}} in 2024 based on the [[Kite's color notation|color name]] ''ilo'', prior to which it could only be termed as "undecimal temperament" with 33/32 being known as the undecimal comma. | ||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.11 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.11 | ||
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[[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.185 | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.185 | ||
=== Alphaxenean === | |||
Alphaxenean tempers out the [[Alpharabian comma]], and equates a stack of four undecimal quartertones with the [[9/8|Pythagorean whole tone]]. It has a [[semi-octave]] period, and the generator can be taken to be the aforementioned undecimal quartertone or that plus a period, which represents ~[[16/11]]. The interval class of a perfect fifth is found by two generator steps and a period. | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.11 | |||
[[Comma list]]: 131769/131072 | |||
{{Mapping|legend=2| 2 1 8 | 0 2 -1 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~363/256, ~16/11 | |||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | |||
* [[WE]]: ~363/256 = 600.1590{{c}}, ~16/11 = 650.8508{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.318 -0.094 -0.897 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~363/256 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~16/11 = 650.7321{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.491 -2.050 }} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22, 24, 94, 118, 142, 450e, 592e, 1326beeee }} | |||
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.395 | |||
=== Octatonic === | |||
[[12/11]] is very close to one step of 8edo, and hence this temperament tempers out the [[undecimal octatonic comma]], the difference between a stack of eight 12/11's and the octave. | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.11 | |||
[[Comma list]]: 214990848/214358881 | |||
{{Mapping|legend=2| 8 0 15 | 0 1 1 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~12/11, ~3 | |||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | |||
* [[WE]]: ~12/11 = 149.9917{{c}}, ~3/2 = 701.9324{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| -0.066 -0.089 +0.424 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~12/11 = 150.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 701.9147{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.040 +0.597 }} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8, 16, 24, 104, 128, 152, 176, 200, 1024e, 1224e, 1424e, 1624e }} | |||
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.515 | |||
=== Betaxenean === | |||
Betaxenean tempers out the [[Betarabian comma]]. It splits a [[3/1|perfect twelfth]] into two halves of [[512/297]]. | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.11 | |||
[[Comma list]]: 264627/262144 | |||
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 9 | 0 2 -7 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~512/297 | |||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | |||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.5931{{c}}, ~512/297 = 950.6872{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.593 -0.581 -0.791 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~512/297 = 950.1972{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -1.561 -2.699 }} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 14e, 19, 24, 125, 149, 173, 197e, 221e, 466bee, 687beee }} | |||
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.709 | |||
=== Infraug === | === Infraug === | ||
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[[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.734 | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.734 | ||
==== 2.3.11.13 ==== | ==== 2.3.11.13 subgroup ==== | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.11.13 | Subgroup: 2.3.11.13 | ||
Comma list: 144/143, 729/704 | Comma list: 144/143, 729/704 | ||
Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -6 10 | 0 1 6 -4 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
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Comma list: 363/361, 729/704 | Comma list: 363/361, 729/704 | ||
Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -6 -6 | 0 2 12 13 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~19/11 | : mapping generators: ~2, ~19/11 | ||
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* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~19/11 = 945.7779{{c}} | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~19/11 = 945.7779{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 14, 19, 33 }} | ||
Badness (Sintel): 1.59 | Badness (Sintel): 1.59 | ||
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Badness (Sintel): 0.415 | Badness (Sintel): 0.415 | ||
=== Profanity === | |||
Profanity identifies [[11/9]] with 2\7. | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.11 | |||
[[Comma list]]: 19487171/19131876 | |||
{{Mapping|legend=2| 7 0 2 | 0 1 2 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~1458/1331, ~3 | |||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | |||
* [[WE]]: ~1458/1331 = 171.4369{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.9304{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.058 +1.033 -2.467 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~1458/1331 = 171.4286{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.9442{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.989 -2.572 }} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, … 49, 56, 63, 70 }} | |||
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 3.03 | |||
== Temperaments with a 2.3.13 gene == | == Temperaments with a 2.3.13 gene == | ||
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[[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.200 | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.200 | ||
=== Tridecapyth === | |||
Tridecapyth sets a stack of ten [[9/8]]'s equal to [[13/4]]. It shows a way of giving a mapping of prime 13 to any temperament with an extremely accurate tuning of its fifth (like the [[53edo]] tuning of [[schismic]]). Interestingly, the mapping is ''so'' accurate that more optimized tunings of schismic that use a flatter fifth are not accurate enough to preserve the mapping – for 118edo we get the 118f [[val]] that takes the second-closest, flat mapping of prime 13, and the same is true for [[171edo]] where we get the 171f val. However, [[41edo]] uses this mapping, and so does [[94edo]], the val sum of 41 and 53. Thus it is of interest to flatter tunings of [[garibaldi]]/[[cassandra]] with fifths tending close to pure. If we add this mapping to 5-limit schismic instead we get [[tridecaschismic]]. | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.13 | |||
{{mapping|legend=2| 1 0 -28 | 0 1 20 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~3 | |||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | |||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1199.9778{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.0170{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| -0.022 +0.040 -0.011 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.0283{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.070 -0.019 }} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, 29f, 41, 53, 94, 147, 494, 641, 788, 2217, 3005 }} | |||
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.211 | |||
=== Superflat === | === Superflat === | ||
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: [[error map]]: {{val| +3.129 -3.177 -4.349 }} | : [[error map]]: {{val| +3.129 -3.177 -4.349 }} | ||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}} ~3/2 = 693.6081{{c}} | * [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}} ~3/2 = 693.6081{{c}} | ||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -8.347 | : error map: {{val| 0.000 -8.347 -14.960 }} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5f, 7, 12, 19, 45f, 64f, 147bfff }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5f, 7, 12, 19, 45f, 64f, 147bfff }} | ||
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Badness (Sintel): 0.135 | Badness (Sintel): 0.135 | ||
==== 2.3.13.23 ==== | ==== 2.3.13.23 subgroup ==== | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.13.23 | Subgroup: 2.3.13.23 | ||
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* [[Shoal17]] | * [[Shoal17]] | ||
Music | ; Music | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGjN56iMM0 ''Moody Improvisation in the Shoal Temperament''] by [[Budjarn Lambeth]] (2025) | * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGjN56iMM0 ''Moody Improvisation in the Shoal Temperament''] by [[Budjarn Lambeth]] (2025) | ||
=== Glacier === | === Glacier === | ||
This 2.3.13-subgroup gene is not nearly as good as shoal, but it can extend extremely well to other no-5 subgroups. It is the common [[restriction]] of [[#Bleu|bleu]] and [[#Navy|navy]]. It is very well represented in [[26edo]], where a pure 13/12 can serve as the generator, but [[94edo]] provides a much better tuning. | This 2.3.13-subgroup gene is not nearly as good as shoal, but it can extend extremely well to other no-5 subgroups. It is the common [[restriction]] of [[#Bleu|bleu]] and [[#Navy|navy]]. It is very well represented in [[26edo]], where a nearly pure 13/12 can serve as the generator, but [[94edo]] provides a much better tuning. | ||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.13 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.13 | ||
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{{Mapping|legend=2| 2 0 5 | 0 1 1 }} | {{Mapping|legend=2| 2 0 5 | 0 1 1 }} | ||
: mapping generators: ~17/12, ~3 | |||
: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~17/12 = 600.1471{{c}}, ~3/2 = 701.9563{{c}} (~17/16 = 101.8091{{c}}) | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.294 +0.295 -1.969 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.0260{{c}} (~17/16 = 102.0260{{c}}) | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.071 -2.929 }} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 12, 58, 70, 82, 94, 106, 118, 224g }} | |||
[[ | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.0454 | ||
=== Boethian === | |||
Boethian is a [[5L 2s|diatonic-based]] temperament that makes [[513/512]] vanish, so that the major third (C–E) is ~[[24/19]] and the minor third (C–E♭) is ~[[19/16]]. As such, it functions as a 2.3.19-subgroup analogue of [[meantone]], though the small size of the comma puts it at [[schismic]] level of accuracy. In particular, the equal temperaments in the tuning spectrum up to 1/2-comma (flattened) boethian temperament (very close to [[12edo]]) are included in the schismic tuning spectrum in the 5-limit, so boethian intersects with schismic in the prime-5 infill extension thereof, called [[nestoria]], which also tempers out [[361/360]], the difference between 19/18 and 20/19 or between 19/15 and 24/19. | |||
[[ | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.19 | ||
[[Comma list]]: 513/512 | |||
[[ | |||
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 9 | 0 1 -3 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~3 | |||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | |||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.2498{{c}}, ~3/2 = 701.4958{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.250 -0.209 -0.501 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 701.3445{{c}} | |||
[[Optimal tuning]] | : error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.610 -1.547 }} | ||
[[ | |||
{{ | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 7, 12, 41, 53, 65, 77, 219, 296, 1557bhhhh, 1853bhhhh }} | ||
[[ | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.0294 | ||
=== | === Deviaug === | ||
Deviaug tempers out [[6912/6859]] in the 2.3.19 subgroup, setting [[24/19]] to 1/3 of an octave. | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.19 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.19 | ||
[[Comma list]]: | [[Comma list]]: 6912/6859 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=2| | {{Mapping|legend=2| 3 0 8 | 0 1 1 }} | ||
: mapping generators: ~ | : mapping generators: ~24/19, ~3 | ||
[[Optimal tuning]] | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~24/19 = 399.8571{{c}}, ~3/2 = 701.9795{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| -0.429 -0.404 +2.894 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~24/19 = 400.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 701.8810{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.074 +4.368 }} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 9, 12, 75, 87, 99, 111, 123h, 135h }} | ||
[[Badness]] ( | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.237 | ||
=== Lipsett === | === Lipsett === | ||
Lipsett | Lipsett is a pleasantly melodic little temperament with a highly usable 5-tone and 9-tone mos. It is audibly similar to [[semaphore]] temperament, so it could be thought of as semaphore but for the 23rd harmonic instead of the 7th. It is named for Arthur Lipsett, the director of the Canadian short film ''21-87''. Leia's prison cell in ''Star Wars'' is numbered 2187, as a nod to the influence the film had on George Lucas. | ||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.23 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.23 | ||
[[Comma list]]: | [[Comma list]]: 2187/2116 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 -1 | 0 2 7}} | {{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 -1 | 0 2 7 }} | ||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~46/27 | |||
[[Optimal tuning]] | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.5339{{c}}, ~46/27 = 948.5629{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.534 -4.829 +11.132 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~46/27 = 948.3272{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -5.301 +10.016 }} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 14, 19, 43, 62i, 81i }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 14, 19, 43, 62i, 81i }} | ||
[[Badness]] ( | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.801 | ||
=== Porpoise === | === Porpoise === | ||
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[[Comma list]]: 24576/24389 | [[Comma list]]: 24576/24389 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 2 5 | 0 -3 -1 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~32/29 | |||
[[ | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1199.5519{{c}}, ~32/29 = 165.7453{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| -0.448 -0.087 +2.437 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~32/29 = 165.9004{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.344 +4.522 }} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 22, 29, 94, 123, 152j, 275jj, 427jjj }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 22, 29, 94, 123, 152j, 275jj, 427jjj }} | ||
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.317 | |||
[[ | === Jackpot === | ||
Named by {{u|CompactStar}} in 2024, jackpot tempers out the [[7-29-comma]] in 2.3.29, setting 32/29 to one step of [[7edo]] with an independent generator for the [[3/1|3rd harmonic]]. The name refers to the [[Temperament merging|EDO join]] of 7 & 77. | |||
[[ | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.29 | ||
[[ | [[Comma list]]: 17249876309/17179869184 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=2| 7 0 34 | 0 1 0 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~32/29, ~3 | |||
[[ | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~32/29 = 171.4434{{c}}, ~3/2 = 701.8515{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.103 -0.000 -0.503 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~32/29 = 171.4286{{c}}, ~3/2 = 701.8456{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.109 -1.006 }} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 42, 49, 56, 63, 70, 77, 147, 224 }} | ||
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.02 | |||
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[[ | === Sematology === | ||
This temperament tempers out [[4107/4096]] and thus equates a stack of two [[37/32]]'s with [[4/3]]. | |||
[[ | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.37 | ||
[[ | [[Comma list]]: 4107/4096 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 6 | 0 2 -1 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~64/37 | |||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | |||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.2184{{c}}, ~64/37 = 950.9546{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.218 -0.046 -0.988 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~64/37 = 950.8250{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.305 -2.169 }} | |||
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{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 14, 19, 24, 53, 77, 130, 443l, 573ll, 703ll, 1536blllll }} | ||
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.0690 | |||
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=== Reversed mavila === | === Reversed mavila === | ||
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[[Comma list]]: 81/74 | [[Comma list]]: 81/74 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 -1 | 0 1 4 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~3 | |||
[[ | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1201.9908{{c}}, ~3/2 = 676.4865{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +1.991 -23.478 +60.575 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 676.7603{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -25.195 +55.697 }} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 2, 5l, 7l, 9, 16l }} | |||
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.623 | |||
=== Reversed meantone === | === Reversed meantone === | ||
{{Main| Reversed meantone }} | {{Main| Reversed meantone }} | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.41 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.41 | ||
[[Comma list]]: 82/81 | [[Comma list]]: 82/81 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 -1 | 0 1 4 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~3 | |||
[[ | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1199.6907{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.3096{{c}} | |||
[[ | : [[error map]]: {{val| -0.309 +3.045 -8.752 }} | ||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.2699{{c}} | |||
{{ | : error map: {{val| 0.000 +3.315 -7.983 }} | ||
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{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 12, 17, 97m, 114m, 131m }} | |||
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.0841 | |||
[[Category:Temperament collections]] | [[Category:Temperament collections]] | ||
[[Category:Subgroup temperaments]] | [[Category:Subgroup temperaments]] | ||
[[Category:Rank 2]] | [[Category:Rank 2]] | ||