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For the chord lists I used [https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/1239750412 This generator on Scratch] as well as [https://www.browserling.com/tools/spaces-to-newlines A tool to convert spaces into newlines] because copy-pasting long lists is awkward.--[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 04:03, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

: Now that I think about it, scratch isn't very efficient and I should instead use python like [[Godtone]] does.--[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 17:08, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

== Chord classification ==

Some temperaments temper out commas that lead chords which otherwise come in otonal-utonal pairs to become neutralized, such as 7:8:9 and 9:10:11 in superpyth. In [[Chords of huygens]], the neutralized 8:9:10 and 11:14:18 chords are both classified as otonal, while in [[Chords of mohajira]], the neutralized 10:11:12 chord is classified as utonal. I believe this is based on the transversal, as the 8:9:10, 11:14:18, and 10:11:12 chords are generated as 1-9/8-5/4, 1-14/9-11/9, and 1-20/11-5/3 respectively. However, classifying these chords as otonal or utonal is misleading, so there should be a convention; perhaps ambitonal, or another term entirely.--[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 21:37, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

: I believe it would be better to discuss this on [[Talk:Dyadic chord]].--[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 23:17, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

== Extra column, what to include ==

Before we finish and move this page to the main namespace I wanna discuss what more to include. So I reviewed some of the existing pages. They are a mess! So as we're creating this new page, I'd like to take this opportunity for a fresh start without all the burdens from the old pages.

What I absolutely don't want is listing the rotations. Since now we have articles for individual chords it's prolly much better to link to them instead. Another thing I very much dislike is Kite's chord symbols; we should perhaps include common names instead, e.g. 1–5/4–3/2 is the just major triad. I also don't want complexity or odd limits. In particular, odd limits would only be 5, 7, 9, or 11; these aren't very informative. So, my suggestion is a single comment column where we list the ratios (in colon form) with links as well as common names when applicable. This will also allow us to mark out the plurichords.

—[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 06:49, 15 December 2025 (UTC)

: I believe it would also be nice to make the tables sortable by generation order and type. --[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 22:13, 16 December 2025 (UTC)

: Another slight problem, how do we capitalize the "Type" column? Right now there are some entries that say "Otonal/utonal" and "Archytas/valinorsmic". Would it be better to capitalize the second type as well, or instead make eveything lowercase? --[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 22:35, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

:: It wouldn't. Sentence case is the way to go. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 10:29, 18 December 2025 (UTC)

: Also, you made an edit to classify some tetrads by minimal tempering. Then the statement "If the chord is essentially tempered, it is analyzed in terms of the transversal that employs 8/7 and 10/9." may need to be rewritten. --[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 22:47, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

:: Possibly. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 10:29, 18 December 2025 (UTC)

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 For the chord lists I used [https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/1239750412 This generator on Scratch] as well as [https://www.browserling.com/tools/spaces-to-newlines A tool to convert spaces into newlines] because copy-pasting long lists is awkward.--[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 04:03, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
 : Now that I think about it, scratch isn't very efficient and I should instead use python like [[Godtone]] does.--[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 17:08, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
+== Chord classification ==
+Some temperaments temper out commas that lead chords which otherwise come in otonal-utonal pairs to become neutralized, such as 7:8:9 and 9:10:11 in superpyth. In [[Chords of huygens]], the neutralized 8:9:10 and 11:14:18 chords are both classified as otonal, while in [[Chords of mohajira]], the neutralized 10:11:12 chord is classified as utonal. I believe this is based on the transversal, as the 8:9:10, 11:14:18, and 10:11:12 chords are generated as 1-9/8-5/4, 1-14/9-11/9, and 1-20/11-5/3 respectively. However, classifying these chords as otonal or utonal is misleading, so there should be a convention; perhaps ambitonal, or another term entirely.--[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 21:37, 13 December 2025 (UTC)
+: I believe it would be better to discuss this on [[Talk:Dyadic chord]].--[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 23:17, 13 December 2025 (UTC)
+== Extra column, what to include ==
+Before we finish and move this page to the main namespace I wanna discuss what more to include. So I reviewed some of the existing pages. They are a mess! So as we're creating this new page, I'd like to take this opportunity for a fresh start without all the burdens from the old pages.
+What I absolutely don't want is listing the rotations. Since now we have articles for individual chords it's prolly much better to link to them instead. Another thing I very much dislike is Kite's chord symbols; we should perhaps include common names instead, e.g. 1–5/4–3/2 is the just major triad. I also don't want complexity or odd limits. In particular, odd limits would only be 5, 7, 9, or 11; these aren't very informative. So, my suggestion is a single comment column where we list the ratios (in colon form) with links as well as common names when applicable. This will also allow us to mark out the plurichords.
+—[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 06:49, 15 December 2025 (UTC)
+: I believe it would also be nice to make the tables sortable by generation order and type. --[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 22:13, 16 December 2025 (UTC)
+: Another slight problem, how do we capitalize the "Type" column? Right now there are some entries that say "Otonal/utonal" and "Archytas/valinorsmic". Would it be better to capitalize the second type as well, or instead make eveything lowercase? --[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 22:35, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
+:: It wouldn't. Sentence case is the way to go. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 10:29, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
+: Also, you made an edit to classify some tetrads by minimal tempering. Then the statement "If the chord is essentially tempered, it is analyzed in terms of the transversal that employs 8/7 and 10/9." may need to be rewritten. --[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 22:47, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
+:: Possibly. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 10:29, 18 December 2025 (UTC)