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This is a collection of [[regular temperament|temperaments]] that [[tempering out|temper out]] the [[keema]] ({{monzo|legend=1| -5 -3 3 1 }}, [[ratio]]: 875/864), with [[S-expression]] S5/S6. Its fundamental equivalence entails that [[6/5]] is sharpened so that it stacks three times to reach [[7/4]], and the interval between 6/5 and [[5/4]] is compressed so that [[7/6]]–6/5–5/4–[[9/7]] are set equidistant from each other. As the [[Keemic family #Undecimal supermagic|canonical extension]] of rank-3 keemic to the [[11-limit]] tempers out the commas [[100/99]] and [[385/384]] (whereby ([[6/5]])<sup>2</sup> is identified with [[16/11]]), this provides a clean way to extend the various keemic temperaments to the 11-limit as well.
This is a collection of [[rank-2 temperament|linear]] [[regular temperament|temperaments]] that [[tempering out|temper out]] the [[keema]] ({{monzo|legend=1| -5 -3 3 1 }}, [[ratio]]: 875/864), with [[S-expression]] S5/S6. Its fundamental equivalence entails that [[6/5]] is sharpened so that it stacks three times to reach [[7/4]], and the interval between 6/5 and [[5/4]] is compressed so that [[7/6]]–6/5–5/4–[[9/7]] are set equidistant from each other. As the canonical extension of rank-3 [[keemic]] to the [[11-limit]] tempers out the commas [[100/99]] and [[385/384]] (whereby ([[6/5]])<sup>2</sup> is identified with [[16/11]]), this provides a clean way to extend the various keemic temperaments to the 11-limit as well.


Full [[7-limit]] keemic temperaments discussed elsewhere are:
Full [[7-limit]] keemic temperaments discussed elsewhere are:  
* [[Flattone]] (+81/80) → [[Meantone family #Flattone|Meantone family]]
* ''[[Mujannabic]]'' (+25/24) → [[Dicot family #Dicot|Dicot family]]
* [[Porcupine]] (+64/63) → [[Porcupine family #Septimal porcupine|Porcupine family]]
* [[Monkey]] (+5120/5103) → [[Tetracot family #Monkey|Tetracot family]]
* [[Magic]] (+225/224) → [[Magic family #Septimal magic|Magic family]]
* [[Keemun]] (+49/48) → [[Kleismic family #Keemun|Kleismic family]]
* [[Keemun]] (+49/48) → [[Kleismic family #Keemun|Kleismic family]]
* ''[[Wesley]]'' (+405/392) → [[Wesley family #Septimal wesley|Wesley family]]
* ''[[Doublewide]]'' (+50/49) → [[Jubilismic clan #Doublewide|Jubilismic clan]]
* ''[[Doublewide]]'' (+50/49) → [[Jubilismic clan #Doublewide|Jubilismic clan]]
* [[Porcupine]] (+64/63) → [[Porcupine family #Septimal porcupine|Porcupine family]]
* [[Superkleismic]] (+1029/1024) → [[Gamelismic clan #Superkleismic|Gamelismic clan]]
* [[Flattone]] (+81/80) → [[Meantone family #Flattone|Meantone family]]
* ''[[Fifives]]'' (+83349/81920) → [[Fifive family #Fifives|Fifive family]]
* [[Magic]] (+225/224) → [[Magic family #Septimal magic|Magic family]]
* ''[[Sycamore]]'' (+686/675) → [[Sycamore family #Septimal sycamore|Sycamore family]]
* ''[[Sycamore]]'' (+686/675) → [[Sycamore family #Septimal sycamore|Sycamore family]]
* [[Superkleismic]] (+1029/1024) → [[Gamelismic clan #Superkleismic|Gamelismic clan]]
* ''[[Undeka]]'' (+3200/3087) → [[11th-octave temperaments #Undeka|11th-octave temperaments]]


Discussed below are quasitemp, chromo, barbad, hyperkleismic, and sevond.
Discussed below are quasitemp, chromo, barbad, pentadecal, undeka, hyperkleismic, and sevond, in the order of increasing [[TE logflat badness]].


== Quasitemp ==
== Quasitemp ==
: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Quasitemp]].''
: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Quasitemp]].''


Quasitemp tempers out [[2401/2400]] in addition to 875/864 and may be described as the {{nowrap| 37 & 41 }} temperament. It has a [[strong restriction]] to the 2.5/3.7/3 subgroup, called [[gariberttet]], which is defined by tempering out [[3125/3087]]. In gariberttet, three generators reach [[5/3]] and five reach [[7/3]], so that the generator itself has the interpretation of [[25/21]]. This implies that 3:5:7 and 5:6:7 chords are reached rather quickly. In quasitemp, tempering out 875/864 entails that [[8/7]] is found after 9 generators, from which the mappings of 3 and 5 follow.  
Quasitemp tempers out [[2401/2400]] in addition to 875/864 and may be described as the {{nowrap| 37 & 41 }} temperament. It is characterized by equating the interval between the pental and septimal thirds ([[36/35]]) with the classical chromatic semitone ([[25/24]]), and by tempering together the septimal dieses of [[49/48]] and [[50/49]]. In that sense, it is opposed to [[orwellismic temperaments]], in particular [[myna]], where the distance between the pental and septimal thirds is the same as the septimal dieses and different from the classical chromatic semitone.
 
Quasitemp can also be thought of as a [[strong extension]] of the 2.5/3.7/3-subgroup temperament called [[gariberttet]], which is defined by tempering out [[3125/3087]]. In gariberttet, three generators reach [[5/3]] and five reach [[7/3]], so that the generator itself has the interpretation of [[25/21]]. This implies that 3:5:7 and 5:6:7 chords are reached rather quickly. Quasitemp tempering out 875/864 entails that [[8/7]] is found after 9 generators, from which the mappings of 3 and 5 follow.  


Note that the generator is given as 25/21's octave complement, 42/25, in the data that follow, since a stack of 14 such generators octave-reduced is the perfect fifth, whence the temperament's [[ploidacot]] is iota-14-cot. This generator is equated to [[22/13]] for the 13-limit extension, tempering out [[275/273]].  
Note that the generator is given as 25/21's octave complement, 42/25, in the data that follow, since a stack of 14 such generators octave-reduced is the perfect fifth, whence the temperament's [[ploidacot]] is iota-14-cot. This generator is equated to [[22/13]] for the 13-limit extension, tempering out [[275/273]].  
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* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~42/25 = 907.3471{{c}}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~42/25 = 907.3471{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.905 -5.495 -2.702 }}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.905 -5.495 -2.702 }}
<!-- * [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~42/25 = 907.290{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 4, …, 37, 41 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 4, …, 37, 41 }}
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* WE: ~2 = 1199.9585{{c}}, ~42/25 = 907.4221{{c}}
* WE: ~2 = 1199.9585{{c}}, ~42/25 = 907.4221{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~42/25 = 907.4521{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~42/25 = 907.4521{{c}}
<!-- * POTE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~42/25 = 907.453{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 4, 37, 41, 119 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 4, 37, 41, 119 }}
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* WE: ~2 = 1199.4376{{c}}, ~22/13 = 907.1175{{c}}
* WE: ~2 = 1199.4376{{c}}, ~22/13 = 907.1175{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~22/13 = 907.5314{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~22/13 = 907.5314{{c}}
<!-- * POTE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~22/13 = 907.543{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 4, 37, 41, 78, 119f }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 4, 37, 41, 78, 119f }}
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* WE: ~2 = 1201.2729{{c}}, ~42/25 = 908.1116{{c}}
* WE: ~2 = 1201.2729{{c}}, ~42/25 = 908.1116{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~42/25 = 907.2109{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~42/25 = 907.2109{{c}}
<!-- * POTE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~42/25 = 907.149{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 41, 127cd, 168cd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 41, 127cd, 168cd }}
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* WE: ~2 = 1201.4078{{c}}, ~42/25 = 908.1362{{c}}
* WE: ~2 = 1201.4078{{c}}, ~42/25 = 908.1362{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~42/25 = 907.1370{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~42/25 = 907.1370{{c}}
<!-- * POTE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~22/13 = 907.072{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 41, 86ce }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 41, 86ce }}
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* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~36/35 = 53.9055{{c}}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~36/35 = 53.9055{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -1.183 -8.975 +1.474 }}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -1.183 -8.975 +1.474 }}
<!-- * [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~36/35 = 53.816{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22, 45, 67c }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22, 45, 67c }}
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* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~75/49 = 731.7183{{c}}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~75/49 = 731.7183{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.692 -5.694 -2.742 }}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.692 -5.694 -2.742 }}
<!-- * [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~75/49 = 731.669{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 18, 23d, 41 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 18, 23d, 41 }}
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* WE: ~2 = 1200.8513{{c}}, ~75/49 = 732.1519{{c}}
* WE: ~2 = 1200.8513{{c}}, ~75/49 = 732.1519{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~75/49 = 731.6740{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~75/49 = 731.6740{{c}}
<!-- * POTE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~75/49 = 731.633{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 18e, 23de, 41 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 18e, 23de, 41 }}
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* WE: ~2 = 1199.7960{{c}}, ~20/13 = 731.6053{{c}}
* WE: ~2 = 1199.7960{{c}}, ~20/13 = 731.6053{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~20/13 = 731.7208{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~20/13 = 731.7208{{c}}
<!-- * POTE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~20/13 = 731.730{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 18e, 23de, 41 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 18e, 23de, 41 }}


Badness (Sintel): 1.62
Badness (Sintel): 1.62
== Pentadecal ==
: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Pentadecal]].''
Named by [[Xenllium]] in 2021, pentadecal tempers out the 15-5/3-comma ({{monzo| -11 -15 15 }}) in the 5-limit. This temperament can be described as {{nowrap| 15 & 60 }} temperament, tempering out the [[cloudy comma]], 16807/16384 and the [[keema]], 875/864 in the 7-limit.
=== 7-limit ===
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
[[Comma list]]: 875/864, 16807/16384
{{Mapping|legend=1| 15 0 11 42 | 0 1 1 0 }}
: mapping generators: ~21/20, ~3
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~21/20 = 80.1141{{c}}, ~3/2 = 700.2213{{c}} (~126/125 = 19.8053{{c}})
: [[error map]]: {{val| +1.711 +0.977 -2.127 -4.035 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~21/20 = 80.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 701.2357{{c}} (~126/125 = 19.7643{{c}})
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.719 -5.078 -8.826 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 15, 45, 60 }}
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.91
==== 2.3.5.7.13 subgroup ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.13
Comma list: 105/104, 325/324, 15625/15379
Mapping: {{mapping| 15 0 11 42 52 8 | 0 1 1 0 0 2 }}
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~21/20 = 80.1133{{c}}, ~3/2 = 700.1871{{c}} (~91/90 = 20.8325{{c}})
* CWE: ~21/20 = 80.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 700.2086{{c}} (~91/90 = 19.7914{{c}})
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 15, 30bcff, 45f, 60 }}
Badness (Sintel): 1.80
=== Quindecal ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 121/120, 441/440, 875/864
Mapping: {{mapping| 15 0 11 42 28 | 0 1 1 0 1 }}
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~21/20 = 80.1322{{c}}, ~3/2 = 701.4751{{c}} (~126/125 = 19.7148{{c}})
* CWE: ~21/20 = 80.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 701.5453{{c}} (~126/125 = 18.4547{{c}})
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 15, 45e, 60e }}
Badness (Sintel): 1.47
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 105/104, 121/120, 275/273, 325/324
Mapping: {{mapping| 15 0 11 42 28 8 | 0 1 1 0 1 2 }}
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~21/20 = 80.1359{{c}}, ~3/2 = 700.2567{{c}} (~91/90 = 20.9661{{c}})
* CWE: ~21/20 = 80.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 700.2955{{c}} (~91/90 = 19.7045{{c}})
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 15, 30bceff, 45ef, 60e }}
Badness (Sintel): 1.34
== Undeka ==
: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Undeka]].''
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
[[Comma list]]: 875/864, 3200/3087
{{Mapping|legend=1| 11 0 8 31 | 0 1 1 0 }}
: mapping generators: ~21/20, ~3
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~21/20 = 108.9318{{c}}, ~3/2 = 707.7579{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| -1.750 +4.053 -8.852 +8.059 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~21/20 = 109.0909{{c}}, ~3/2 = 707.7526{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +5.798 -5.834 +12.992 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 11b, 22 }}
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 3.59
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 100/99, 352/343, 385/384
Mapping: {{mapping| 11 0 8 31 38 | 0 1 1 0 0 }}
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~21/20 = 109.0321{{c}}, ~3/2 = 706.3870{{c}}
* CWE: ~21/20 = 109.0909{{c}}, ~3/2 = 706.4785{{c}}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 11c, 22 }}
Badness (Sintel): 2.27
=== 2.3.5.7.11.17 subgroup ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.17
Comma list: 85/84, 100/99, 121/119, 385/384
Mapping: {{mapping| 11 0 8 31 38 45 | 0 1 1 0 0 0 }}
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~17/16 = 109.0232{{c}}, ~3/2 = 706.5074{{c}}
* CWE: ~17/16 = 109.0909{{c}}, ~3/2 = 706.6786{{c}}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 11c, 22 }}
Badness (Sintel): 1.82


== Hyperkleismic ==
== Hyperkleismic ==
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* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~6/5 = 323.7816{{c}}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~6/5 = 323.7816{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +2.332 -5.808 +2.519 }}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +2.332 -5.808 +2.519 }}
<!-- * [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~6/5 = 323.780{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 26, 37, 63 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 26, 37, 63 }}
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* WE: ~2 = 1199.9010{{c}}, ~6/5 = 323.7691{{c}}
* WE: ~2 = 1199.9010{{c}}, ~6/5 = 323.7691{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~6/5 = 323.7931{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~6/5 = 323.7931{{c}}
<!-- * POTE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~6/5 = 323.796{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 26, 37, 63 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 26, 37, 63 }}
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* WE: ~2 = 1200.0524{{c}}, ~6/5 = 323.8039{{c}}
* WE: ~2 = 1200.0524{{c}}, ~6/5 = 323.8039{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~6/5 = 323.7912{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~6/5 = 323.7912{{c}}
<!-- * POTE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~6/5 = 323.790{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 26, 37, 63 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 26, 37, 63 }}
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* [[CWE]]: ~10/9 = 171.4286{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.6057{{c}}
* [[CWE]]: ~10/9 = 171.4286{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.6057{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +3.651 -3.674 +0.071 }}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +3.651 -3.674 +0.071 }}
<!-- * [[POTE]]: ~10/9 = 171.429{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.613{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, …, 56, 63, 119 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, …, 56, 63, 119 }}
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* WE: ~11/10 = 171.3859{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.3421{{c}}
* WE: ~11/10 = 171.3859{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.3421{{c}}
* CWE: ~11/10 = 171.4286{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.4973{{c}}
* CWE: ~11/10 = 171.4286{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.4973{{c}}
<!-- * POTE: ~11/10 = 171.429{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.518{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 56, 63, 119 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 56, 63, 119 }}
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* WE: ~11/10 = 171.4163{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.2930{{c}}
* WE: ~11/10 = 171.4163{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.2930{{c}}
* CWE: ~11/10 = 171.4286{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.3402{{c}}
* CWE: ~11/10 = 171.4286{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.3402{{c}}
<!-- * POTE: ~10/9 = 171.429{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.344{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 56, 63, 119 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 56, 63, 119 }}
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