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iOS misidentifying numbers as phone numbers

On many pages of the wiki, iOS misidentifies numbers as phone numbers and converts them to links, which can be disorienting because they look indistinguishable from links to other wiki pages. Here is one example:

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Squarespace allows you to prevent it doing this to your website, by injecting a short line of code: https://sf.digital/squarespace-solutions/how-to-stop-numbers-being-converted-to-links-on-mobile

I was wondering whether MediaWiki has anything similar we could use?

--BudjarnLambeth (talk) 05:23, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Revision proposal by Sintel

As the new staff on the wiki, we plan to propound edits to the main page (since much of its content and linkage is rather obsolete at this point) on a basis established by community consensus. This page should be the place to discuss proposed revisions, suggested by admins and non-admins. New proposals will be published on the daily newsfeed, once that page is established, as well.

To that end, Sintel has suggested two preliminary changes:

• Remove the link to Migration FAQ (unnecessary at this point, 7 years after the migration from Wikispaces).
• Remove the link to the Xenrhythm Wiki (no reason specified).

I would like to see discussion about this proposal. Lériendil (talk) 10:02, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

Revision proposal by Lériendil

Following the creation of the daily newsfeed, I would like to see the newsfeed itself linked on the main page as a source for updates on what's happening on the wiki (and broader community).

I would like to see discussion about this proposal. Lériendil (talk) 11:11, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

Revision proposal by Sevish

See User:Sevish/Welcome to the Xenharmonic Wiki. It was posted by User:Sevish in 2022. --BudjarnLambeth (talk) 01:25, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

Revision proposal by fredg999

I think we should mostly follow Sevish's proposal, which includes Sintel's proposal. I'll add some more ideas that could be merged into it:

• I suggest adding internal links on the keywords of the lead section, namely "theory" (to General theory), "math" (to Mathematical theory) and "practice" (to Practice). Since we don't have two separate pages for "musical tuning" and "tuning system", we don't need to add a link on "tuning system".
• I think we should link to Xenharmonic Wiki:About instead of Xenharmonic Wiki:Introduction in the lead section. Now that may sound silly, since the former redirects to the latter at the moment, but here's my point: the former should be a page for visitors, while the latter should be a page for users (editors). Actually, the latter might as well be replaced with Help:Help, which in turn we might want to rename to "Help:Introduction" (in line with the corresponding Wikipedia page).
• Seeing as the name of the website is "Xenharmonic Wiki", yet its topic is "musical tuning", we might want to give the readers some more hints to learn about the distinction between key concepts/terms such as "alternative tuning", "microtonal" and "xenharmonic".
• The projective tuning space image is a classic, but I'm never sure if we should do something more with it: add a caption, add more than just one image (it might be perceived as too RTT-leaning), etc. A random image of the day might be funny, although we might end up with microtonal accidentals every other day!
• The sentence about the library mentions "electronically-available published works", but many of the links are actually pointing to library websites that help readers identify where they can find the book or document. We might want to remove "electronically-available", since the library covers more than just those.
• Some links need updating, such as Useful Tools (merged into List of music software) and Microtonal instruments (moved to Instruments).
• In the last section, the words "sign up" should lead to Help:How to Get Your Xenwiki Account.
• We should also keep the last paragraph to a minimum, with only the link to the main help page but without enumerating the stuff that should be listed on that page anyway.

I'm not yet convinced by the idea of the daily newsfeed, but it certainly has potential. I would suggest deploying that at a later time and implement simpler changes first. --Fredg999 (talk) 03:23, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

I agree to all the bulleted changes. Lériendil (talk) 12:50, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Donations link?

I'd like to contribute to support the site. Where can I do this? I searched using "contribute", "contribution", "donate", "donation", "subscribe", and "subscription", but did not find anything. Lucius Chiaraviglio (talk) 22:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

(Bumping this on Xenharmonic Wiki:Wikifuture) Lucius Chiaraviglio (talk) 21:47, 24 March 2025 (UTC) and again Lucius Chiaraviglio (talk) 22:30, 10 September 2025 (UTC)

2025-04-08 update

I updated the Main Page on April 6th and did another (smaller) edit on April 8th, but I did not apply all of the proposed changes yet. Here are the remaining changes:

• Replace link to Xenharmonic Wiki:Introduction with link to Xenharmonic Wiki:About in the lead section;
  • This will require work on the About page beforehand.
• Add/change/vary images (instead of having only the classic PTS).
  • I haven't progressed on this idea, but I don't want to force it either. It's not critical anyway.

More discussions are ongoing on Discord, namely regarding the difference between the main page and the sidebar, as well as concentrating work on the pages linked on the main page to make sure the links are generally useful. --Fredg999 (talk) 04:28, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

Shouldn't we keep some home page link to Category:People?

Seems to me that it would be useful to keep some sort of link to Category:People, since some people who contributed to microtonal/xenharmonic music could not be part of the Xenharmonic Alliance for the simple reason of their lives having been in an earlier time period. Lucius Chiaraviglio (talk) 06:39, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

A category link does not really pass for 'quality content', at least, not enough to be linked directly from main. I think it would be fine to link e.g. from the main Microtonal music page.

On that point, the History section of that page is a bit of a joke, so I do agree that more should be added there.

– Sintel🎏 (talk) 18:26, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

I'll put my vote in for both changes on the Talk page for that. Lucius Chiaraviglio (talk) 19:34, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

Revision proposal by hkm

List of xenharmonic music by community ratings is ready to be linked on the main page. It is more useful than the Listen page for discovering music already, and it will grow in usefulness faster if more people see it.

User:BudjarnLambeth added a link to this page in the lead section of Listen. Considering the other curated lists that are now available there, I suggest keeping only "Listen" on the main page, in order to avoid giving undue weight to this specific list compared to other existing curated lists. --Fredg999 (talk) 05:06, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Revision proposal by Budjarn (Sep 2025)

Following the result of the poll on the Discord (6 in favour, 0 against) I would like to propose that we change the wording of the first line of the main page:

Old wording

"The Xenharmonic Wiki is an open resource for information about musical tuning. This information includes tuning systems and their relationships, theory, math, and practice."

Proposed new wording

"The Xenharmonic Wiki is an open resource for information about musical tuning and microtonal music, including xenharmonic music as well as historical tunings and those of world musical traditions. This information includes tuning systems and their relationships, theory, math, and practice."

--BudjarnLambeth (talk) 13:21, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

Sounds good to me, except that the link to world musical traditions doesn't go to the corresponding section. Lucius Chiaraviglio (talk) 21:04, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

Thanks Lucius, I have fixed the link now :) --BudjarnLambeth (talk) 00:01, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

Anybody else have any thoughts on this? You think it's okay to go ahead, or no? --BudjarnLambeth (talk) 05:10, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

Revision proposal by Budjarn ver. 2 (Oct 2025)

Because the first proposal failed to gain traction, I decided to reword it a bit and propose it again. The changes are to reflect the fact that, in practice, the wiki is mostly about xenharmonics (so as not to mislead readers who are looking for comprehensive info on world/historical tunings), while still making it very clear that articles about world/historical tunings are still allowed and encouraged.

Old wording

"The Xenharmonic Wiki is an open resource for information about musical tuning. This information includes tuning systems and their relationships, theory, math, and practice."

New proposed wording

"The Xenharmonic Wiki is an open resource for information about microtonal music: primarily xenharmonic music but also historical tunings and those of world musical traditions. This information includes tuning systems and their relationships, theory, math, and practice."

Everyone is encouraged to please reply on this talk page to discuss this proposal. Even if you only want to say "I like the proposal" or "I don't like it", that's still a big help :)

--BudjarnLambeth (talk) 20:36, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

Looks good. —hkm (talk) 21:13, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

The elaboration, I strongly agree with. My only complaint is that I would prefer to keep "musical tuning" over "microtonal music," as plenty of the tunings discussed on the wiki would be classed as "macrotonal," or even regular-sized-tonal; even 12edo itself is covered here. Unque (talk) 21:39, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

I am happy to change that. So in that case it would be:

New proposed wording:

"The Xenharmonic Wiki is an open resource for information about musical tuning: primarily xenharmonic music but also historical tunings and those of world musical traditions. This information includes tuning systems and their relationships, theory, math, and practice."

--BudjarnLambeth (talk) 21:51, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

I agree with Unque that microtonal is too limiting, but I disagree that "musical tuning" is the appropriate term. "Tuning systems" is more accurate, and also open enough to not exclude anything.

-- Nick Vuci (talk) 22:23, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

Happy to do that :)

New proposed wording:

"The Xenharmonic Wiki is an open resource for information about music tuning systems: primarily xenharmonic music but also historical tunings and those of world musical traditions. This information includes tuning systems and their relationships, theory, math, and practice."

--BudjarnLambeth (talk) 22:27, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

Not bad, my own suggestion for wording would be:

"The Xenharmonic Wiki is an open resource dedicated to musical tuning systems, focusing on xenharmonic music while also documenting historical tunings and tuning practices from world traditions. It covers the theory and practical applications of these systems."

-- Nick Vuci (talk) 22:32, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

I am in favour of Nick's wording here :)

Here is where I would put links in it:

New proposed wording:

"The Xenharmonic Wiki is an open resource dedicated to musical tuning systems, focusing on xenharmonic music while also documenting historical tunings and tuning practices from world traditions. It covers the theory and practical applications of these systems."

--BudjarnLambeth (talk) 22:39, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

I think that last version might be the one to make live on the real page. Lucius Chiaraviglio (talk) 22:45, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

On the XA Discord, Lériendil also said he likes this latest version, so that's 4 people in favour so far (Nick, me, Lucius, Lériendil), looking promising so far :)

--BudjarnLambeth (talk) 22:59, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

Seems good and has enough traction. The new wording is live. --Fredg999 (talk) 03:22, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

Thank you Fredg999, I appreciate it :) And thank you everyone for your comments and improvements :) --BudjarnLambeth (talk) 03:41, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

I put the link on tuning system instead of musical tuning. —FloraC (talk) 14:41, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

Popular topics

In the popular topics section, there should be a brief description of what each topic is after the bullet point; no more than a few words long. For example, Just Intonation can be described as "a tuning system based on rational frequency ratios". This will guide new readers and have them not need to click links obliviously.--Overthink (talk) 10:26, 27 December 2025 (UTC)

I support this proposal --BudjarnLambeth (talk) 23:39, 27 December 2025 (UTC)

I came up with an exact proposed revision; see User:Overthink/Draft edits#Main page. Feel free to leave any suggestions for further changes. Note that the text at the beginning that reads

{{Interwiki
| en = Main Page
| de = Hauptseite
| es = Bienvenidos
| ja = メインページ
| ro = Pagina Principală
| zh = 主页
}}__NOTOC__

isn't included on the draft page to avoid issues; the content on the draft page only contains what is to be included after this text.--Overthink (talk) 06:16, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

Small but useful change

It would be a good idea to link Xenharmonic Wiki in the very first sentence. This lets readers know what this website is about, while hardly being disruptive. --Overthink (talk) 05:28, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

Done, thank you for the suggestion. --Fredg999 (talk) 02:44, 9 February 2026 (UTC)