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The '''meantone family''' is the family of [[rank-2 temperament]]s that [[tempering out|temper out]] the syntonic comma, [[81/80]], and thus can all be seen as [[extension]]s of [[meantone]]. | |||
The [[ | |||
== Meantone == | |||
{{Main| Meantone }} | |||
[[ | Meantone is characterized by an [[octave]] [[period]], a [[3/2|fifth]] [[generator]], and the relationship that four fifths go to make up a [[5/1|5th harmonic]]. | ||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5 | |||
[[Comma list]]: 81/80 | |||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 -4 | 0 1 4 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~3 | |||
[[ | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1201.3906{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.0455{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +1.391 -3.519 +1.868 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.6512{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -5.304 +0.291 }} | |||
[[Minimax tuning]]: | |||
* [[5-odd-limit]]: ~3/2 = {{monzo| 0 0 1/4 }} (1/4-comma) | |||
: [[Eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.5 | |||
[[ | [[Tuning ranges]]: | ||
[[ | * 5-odd-limit [[diamond monotone]]: ~3/2 = [685.714, 720.000] (4\7 to 3\5) | ||
[[ | * 5-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~3/2 = [694.786, 701.955] (1/3-comma to Pyth.) | ||
= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 7, 12, 19, 31, 50, 81, 131b }} | ||
[[ | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.173 | ||
[[ | === Overview to extensions === | ||
The second comma of the normal comma list defines which [[7-limit]] family member we are looking at. | |||
* Flattertone adds {{monzo| -24 17 0 -1 }}, finding the [[~]][[7/4]] at the double-augmented sixth, for a tuning between 33edo and 26edo. | |||
* Flattone adds {{monzo| -17 9 0 1 }}, finding the ~7/4 at the diminished seventh, for a tuning between 26edo and 19edo. | |||
* Septimal meantone adds [[Harrison's comma|{{monzo| -13 10 0 -1 }}]], finding the ~7/4 at the augmented sixth, for a tuning between 19edo and 12edo. | |||
* Dominant adds [[64/63|{{monzo| 6 -2 0 -1 }}]], finding the ~7/4 at the minor seventh, for a tuning between 12edo and 5edo. | |||
* Sharptone adds [[28/27|{{monzo| 2 -3 0 1 }}]], finding the ~7/4 at the major sixth, for an [[exotemperament]] never exactly well-tuned, and where 5edo is the only [[diamond monotone]] tuning, with a terrible 5-limit part. | |||
Those all have a fifth as generator. | |||
* Injera adds {{monzo| -7 8 0 -2 }} with a half-octave period. | |||
* Mohajira adds {{monzo| -23 11 0 2 }} and splits the fifth in two. | |||
* Godzilla adds [[49/48|{{monzo| -4 -1 0 2 }}]] with an ~[[8/7]] generator, two of which give the [[4/3|fourth]]. | |||
* Mothra adds [[1029/1024|{{monzo| -10 1 0 3 }}]] with an ~8/7 generator, three of which give the fifth. | |||
* Liese adds {{monzo| -9 11 0 -3 }} with a ~[[10/7]] generator, three of which give the [[3/1|twelfth]]. | |||
* Squares adds {{monzo| -3 9 0 -4 }} with a ~[[9/7]] generator, four of which give the [[8/3|eleventh]]. | |||
* Jerome adds {{monzo| 3 7 0 -5 }} and slices the fifth in five. | |||
[[ | ==== Strong extensions ==== | ||
For any meantone generator tuning between 7\12 and 11\19, the augmented sixth is sharper than the diminished seventh and flatter than the minor seventh, befitting an approximation to interval class of 7. This coincides with interpreting the tritone (~9/8)<sup>3</sup> as [[7/5]], leading to septimal meantone, a very elegant extension to the 7-limit. | |||
For any tuning flatter than 11\19, the augmented sixth and diminished seventh swap their orders, so the diminished seventh becomes a better approximation to the interval class of 7, resulting in flattone. Likewise, for any tuning sharper than 7\12, the minor seventh is the proper approximation instead, resulting in dominant. | |||
[[ | Another way to extend meantone to higher limits involves decomposing the meantone comma into products of smaller commas, or expressing some other comma of interest in terms of the ratio between the meantone comma and another comma. However, this often results in [[weak extension]]s. Another opportunity given by the meantone fifth being flat is that the most obvious ways of dividing it into ''n'' parts leave the part closer to just than usual, because we can allow – and indeed want – more flatwards tempering on the fifth, so may be recommended for this reason. | ||
=== | ==== Splitting the meantone fifth into two (243/242) ==== | ||
[[ | By tempering out [[243/242]] we equate the distance from 9/8 to 10/9 (= [[81/80|S9]]) with the distance between 11/10 to 12/11 (= [[121/120|S11]]), leading to [[mohaha]] which is in some sense thus a trivial tuning of [[rastmic]] (as 81/80 and 121/120 vanish), but an important one, as it leads to the 11/9 being a more in-tune "hemififth" than in non-meantone [[rastmic]] temperaments (which require sharper fifths in good tunings), and it has a natural extension to the full [[11-limit]] by finding [[7/4]] as the semi-diminished seventh, leading to [[mohajira]], which inflates [[64/63]] to equate it with a small quarter-tone, which is characteristic. Mohajira can also be thought of as equating a slightly sharpened [[25/16|(5/4)<sup>2</sup>]] with [[11/7]], which is also natural as meantone tempering usually has [[5/4]] slightly sharp. There is also the consideration that tempering out [[121/120]] leads to similarly high damage in the 11-limit as tempering [[81/80]] in the 5-limit, because both erase key distinctions of their respective JI subgroups. | ||
[[ | ==== Splitting the meantone fifth into three (1029/1024) ==== | ||
By tempering out [[1029/1024]] we equate the distance from 7/6 to 8/7 (= [[49/48|S7]]) with the distance from 8/7 to 9/8 (= [[64/63|S8]]), so that ([[8/7]])<sup>3</sup> is equated with [[3/2]], because of being able to be rewritten as (9/8)(8/7)(7/6) – this observation can be generalized to define the family of [[ultraparticular]] commas. This is an unusually natural extension, with a surprising coincidence: ([[36/35]])/([[64/63]]) = [[81/80]], or using the shorthand notation, S6/S8 = S9. As S6/S8 is already tempered out, it is natural to want [[49/48]] (S7), which is bigger than S8 and smaller than S6 to be equated with both, to avoid inconsistent mappings. This has the surprising consequence of meaning that splitting the meantone fifth into three 8/7's is equivalent to splitting 8/5 into three 7/6's by tempering (8/5)/(7/6)<sup>3</sup> = [[1728/1715]] (S6/S7), the orwellisma. | |||
This strategy leads to the 7-limit version of [[mothra]], which is also sometimes called '''cynder'''. Though undecimal mothra is the simplest extension by a small margin, when measured in terms of generators required to reach 11, there is another extension that is perhaps more obvious, by noticing that because we have S6~S7~S8 with S9 tempered out, we can try S8~S10 by tempering out [[176/175]] (S8/S10), which is (11/7)/(5/4)<sup>2</sup>, taking advantage of 10/9 being tempered sharp in meantone so that we can distinguish 11/10 from it, thus finding 16/11 at 100/99 above the meantone diminished fifth, ([[6/5]])<sup>2</sup> = [[36/25]] = ([[3/2]])/([[25/24]]). | |||
[[ | |||
=== | ==== 31edo as splitting the fifth into two, three and nine ==== | ||
[[31edo]] is unique as combining all aforementioned tempering strategies into one elegant [[11-limit]] meantone temperament; it also combines yet more extensions of meantone not discussed here, and it has a very accurate [[5/4]] and [[7/4]] and an even more accurate [[35/32]]. A tempering strategy not mentioned is splitting a flattened [[3/2]] into nine sharpened [[25/24]]'s, resulting in the 5-limit version of [[valentine]] so that 31edo is the unique tuning that combines them. Furthermore, splitting the meantone fifth into two and three in the ways described above leads to meantone + miracle without tempering out [[225/224]], which interestingly, though a rank-2 temperament, only has 31edo as a [[patent val]] tuning (corresponding to also tempering out 225/224). | |||
Temperaments discussed elsewhere include | |||
* ''[[Plutus]]'' (+15/14) → [[Very low accuracy temperaments #Plutus|Very low accuracy temperaments]] | |||
* [[Godzilla]] (+49/48) → [[Semaphoresmic clan #Godzilla|Semaphoresmic clan]] | |||
* [[Mothra]] (+1029/1024) → [[Gamelismic clan #Mothra|Gamelismic clan]] | |||
* ''[[Mohaha]]'' (+121/120) → [[Rastmic clan #Mohaha|Rastmic clan]] | |||
The rest are considered below. | |||
=== | == Septimal meantone == | ||
<div style="float:right">[[:de:septimal-mitteltönig|Deutsch]]</div> | |||
{{Main| Meantone #Septimal meantone}} | |||
{{Wikipedia| Septimal meantone temperament }} | |||
In septimal meantone, ten fifths get to the interval class for 7, so that [[7/4]] is an augmented sixth (C–A♯), [[7/6]] is an augmented second (C–D♯), [[7/5]] is an augmented fourth (C–F♯), and [[21/16]] is an augmented third (C–E♯). This mapping is rationalized by the fact that 81/80 factors as ([[126/125]])⋅([[225/224]]), and septimal meantone tempers out both of these commas as well as their difference, [[3136/3125]]. In fact it can be defined as the 7-limit temperament that tempers out any two of 81/80, 126/125, 225/224, and 3136/3125. | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | |||
[[Comma list]]: 81/80, 126/125 | |||
[[Comma]] | |||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 -4 -13 | 0 1 4 10 }} | |||
[[ | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1201.2358{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.2122{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +1.236 -3.507 +2.535 -0.412 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.6562{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -5.299 +0.311 -2.264 }} | |||
[[ | [[Minimax tuning]]: | ||
* [[7-odd-limit|7-]] and [[9-odd-limit]]: ~3/2 = {{monzo| 0 0 1/4 }} (1/4-comma) | |||
: [[projection map]]: {{monzo list| 1 0 0 0 | 1 0 1/4 0 | 0 0 1 0 | -3 0 5/2 0 }} | |||
: [[eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.5 | |||
[[Tuning ranges]]: | |||
[[ | * 7- and 9-odd-limit [[diamond monotone]]: ~3/2 = [694.737, 700.000] (11\19 to 7\12) | ||
* 7-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~3/2 = [694.786, 701.955] (1/3-comma to Pyth.) | |||
[ | * 9-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~3/2 = [691.202, 701.955] (1/2-comma to Pyth.) | ||
[[ | [[Algebraic generator]]: Cybozem, the real root of 15''x''<sup>3</sup> - 10''x''<sup>2</sup> - 18, 503.4257 cents. The recurrence converges quickly. | ||
= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, 19, 31, 81, 112b, 143b }} | ||
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.347 | |||
=== Undecimal meantone (huygens) === | |||
{{Redirect|Huygens|the Dutch mathematician, physicist and astronomer|Wikipedia: Christiaan Huygens}} | |||
{{See also| Huygens vs meanpop }} | |||
== | Undecimal meantone<ref name="meantone & meanpop 2003">[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_6048.html#6052 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''good 11-limit meantones'']</ref> a.k.a. huygens<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_10437.html Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''The meantone family'']</ref><ref name="meantone & meanpop 2004">[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_10864.html#10870 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''names and definitions: meantone'']</ref> maps the [[11/8]] to the double-augmented third (C–E𝄪). See [[chords of huygens]] for a list of dyadic chords in this temperament. | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | |||
Comma list: 81/80, 99/98, 126/125 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -4 -13 -25 | 0 1 4 10 18 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.7636{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.4122{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.0315{{c}} | |||
Minimax tuning: | |||
* 11-odd-limit: ~3/2 = {{monzo| 9/16 -1/8 0 0 1/16 }} | |||
: projection map: [{{monzo| 1 0 0 0 0 }}, {{monzo| 25/16 -1/8 0 0 1/16 }}, {{monzo| 9/4 -1/2 0 0 1/4 }}, {{monzo| 21/8 -5/4 0 0 5/8 }}, {{monzo| 25/8 -9/4 0 0 9/8 }}] | |||
: unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.11/9 | |||
Tuning ranges: | |||
[ | * 11-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~3/2 = [696.774, 700.000] (18\31 to 7\12) | ||
* 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~3/2 = [691.202, 701.955] (1/2-comma to Pyth.) | |||
Algebraic generator: Traverse, the positive real root of ''x''<sup>4</sup> + 2''x'' - 13, or 696.9529 cents. | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12, 19e, 31, 105, 136b }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 0.563 | |||
; Music | |||
* [http://micro.soonlabel.com/gene_ward_smith/Others/Meneghin/Claudi-Meneghin-Twinkle-canon-74-edo.mp3 ''Twinkle canon – 74 edo''] by [http://soonlabel.com/xenharmonic/archives/573 Claudi Meneghin] | |||
==== Grosstone ==== | |||
Grosstone, named for tempering out the [[grossma]], is the main extension of interest that extends undecimal meantone to the 13-limit. It maps 13/8 to the double-diminished seventh (C–B♭♭♭). Note also that 11/10 is a double-augmented unison; 12/11~13/12 is a double-diminished third; and 14/13 is a triple-augmented seventh octave reduced. Grosstone is flexible with its tunings; among the good tunings are [[31edo]], [[43edo]], and [[74edo]]. | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | |||
Comma list: 81/80, 99/98, 126/125, 144/143 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -4 -13 -25 29 | 0 1 4 10 18 -16 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1199.9389{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.2282{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.2627{{c}} | |||
Minimax tuning: | |||
* 13- and 15-odd-limit: ~3/2 = {{monzo| 8/13 0 0 1/26 0 -1/26 }} | |||
: eigenmonzo basis (unchanged-interval basis): 2.13/7 | |||
Tuning ranges: | |||
* 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~3/2 = [696.774, 697.674] (18\31 to 25\43) | |||
* 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~3/2 = [691.202, 701.955] (1/2-comma to Pyth.) | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12, 31, 43, 74 }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.07 | |||
===== 17-limit ===== | |||
This extension maps 17/16 to the minor second (C–D♭), and 19/16 to the minor third (C–E♭), suitable for a system generated by a mildly tempered fifth. | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17 | |||
Comma list: 81/80, 99/98, 120/119, 126/125, 144/143 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -4 -13 -25 29 12 | 0 1 4 10 18 -16 -5 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1199.5811{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.0918{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.3303{{c}} | |||
= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12, 31, 43, 74g }} | ||
Badness (Sintel): 1.06 | |||
===== 19-limit ===== | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19 | |||
Comma list: 81/80, 96/95, 99/98, 120/119, 126/125, 144/143 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -4 -13 -25 29 12 9 | 0 1 4 10 18 -16 -5 -3 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1199.2931{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.9690{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.3736{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12, 31, 43, 74gh }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.07 | |||
==== Fokkertone ==== | |||
Fokkertone maps the [[13/8]] to the double-augmented fifth (C–G𝄪). Note that the minor third conflates 13/11 with 6/5, and that 11/10~13/12 is a double-augmented unison; 12/11 is a double-diminished third; and 14/13 is a minor second. 31edo can be recommended as a tuning since it is the only 13-odd-limit diamond monotone tuning. | |||
This extension used to be known as ''tridecimal meantone'', but was decanonicalized in 2025. | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | |||
Comma list: 66/65, 81/80, 99/98, 105/104 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -4 -13 -25 -20 | 0 1 4 10 18 15 }} | |||
== | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.8149{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.1155{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.7085{{c}} | |||
Minimax tuning: | |||
* 13- and 15-odd-limit: ~3/2 = {{monzo| 9/16 -1/8 0 0 1/16 }} | |||
: unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.11/9 | |||
= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12f, 19e, 31 }} | ||
Badness (Sintel): 0.746 | |||
===== 17-limit ===== | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17 | |||
Comma list: 66/65, 81/80, 99/98, 105/104, 120/119 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -4 -13 -25 -20 12 | 0 1 4 10 18 15 -5 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1199.5548{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.7449{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.9823{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12f, 31 }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.02 | |||
===== 19-limit ===== | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19 | |||
Comma list: 66/65, 81/80, 96/95, 99/98, 105/104, 120/119 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -4 -13 -25 -20 12 9 | 0 1 4 10 18 15 -5 -3 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1199.0408{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.5824{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.1061{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12f, 31 }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.10 | |||
==== Meridetone ==== | |||
Meridetone maps the 13/8 to the quadruple-augmented fourth (C–F𝄪𝄪). 43edo can be recommended as a tuning since it is the only 13-odd-limit diamond monotone tuning. | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | |||
Comma list: 78/77, 81/80, 99/98, 126/125 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -4 -13 -25 -39 | 0 1 4 10 18 27 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1199.9122{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.4779{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.5241{{c}} | |||
Minimax tuning: | |||
* 13- and 15-odd-limit: ~3/2 = {{monzo| 14/25 -2/25 0 0 0 1/25 }} | |||
: unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.13/9 | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12f, 31f, 43 }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.09 | |||
== | ===== 17-limit ===== | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17 | |||
Comma list: 78/77, 81/80, 99/98, 120/119, 126/125 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -4 -13 -25 -39 12 | 0 1 4 10 18 27 -5 }} | |||
== | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = 1199.3793{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.2833{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.6222{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12f, 43 }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.22 | |||
== | ===== 19-limit ===== | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19 | |||
Comma list: 78/77, 81/80, 96/95, 99/98, 120/119, 126/125 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -4 -13 -25 -39 12 9 | 0 1 4 10 18 27 -5 -3 }} | |||
== | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = 1199.0260{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.1486{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.6887{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12f, 43 }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.25 | |||
= | ==== Hemimeantone ==== | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | |||
Comma list: 81/80, 99/98, 126/125, 169/168 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -4 -13 -25 -5 | 0 2 8 20 36 11 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~26/15 | |||
== | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = 1201.0387{{c}}, ~26/15 = 949.2863{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~26/15 = 948.5065{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 19e, 43, 62 }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.30 | |||
== | ===== 17-limit ===== | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17 | |||
Comma list: 81/80, 99/98, 126/125, 169/168, 221/220 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -4 -13 -25 -5 -22 | 0 2 8 20 36 11 33 }} | |||
== | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = 1201.0270{{c}}, ~26/15 = 949.2892{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~26/15 = 948.5169{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 19eg, 43, 62 }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.19 | |||
== | ===== 19-limit ===== | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19 | |||
Comma list: 81/80, 99/98, 126/125, 153/152, 169/168, 221/220 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -4 -13 -25 -5 -22 -25 | 0 2 8 20 36 11 33 37 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1201.0339{{c}}, ~19/11 = 949.2902{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~19/11 = 948.5111{{c}} | |||
= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 19egh, 43, 62 }} | ||
Badness (Sintel): 1.15 | |||
==== Semimeantone ==== | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | |||
Comma list: 81/80, 99/98, 126/125, 847/845 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 -8 -26 -50 -59 | 0 1 4 10 18 21 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~55/39, ~3 | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~55/39 = 600.3606{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.4241{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~55/39 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.0545{{c}} | |||
= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12f, …, 50eff, 62, 136b }} | ||
Badness (Sintel): 1.68 | |||
===== 17-limit ===== | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17 | |||
Comma list: 81/80, 99/98, 126/125, 221/220, 289/288 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 -8 -26 -50 -59 5 | 0 1 4 10 18 21 1 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~17/12 = 600.5426{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.5571{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.9858{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12f, 50eff, 62, 136bg }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.60 | |||
===== 19-limit ===== | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19 | |||
Comma list: 81/80, 99/98, 126/125, 153/152, 209/208, 221/220 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 -8 -26 -50 -59 5 -1 | 0 1 4 10 18 21 1 3 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~17/12 = 600.5959{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.5985{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.9638{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12f, 50eff, 62 }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.47 | |||
= | === Meanpop === | ||
{{See also| Huygens vs meanpop }} | |||
Meanpop<ref name="meantone & meanpop 2003"/><ref name="meantone & meanpop 2004"/> maps the 11/8 to the double-diminished fifth (C–G𝄫), and tridecimal meanpop maps the 13/8 to the double-augmented fifth (C–G𝄪), tempering out 144/143 like in grosstone. Note also 11/10 is a double-diminished third; 12/11~13/12, double-augmented unison; and 14/13, minor second. | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | |||
Comma list: 81/80, 126/125, 385/384 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -4 -13 24 | 0 1 4 10 -13 }} | |||
: mapping generator: ~2, ~3 | |||
== | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = 1201.3464{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.2159{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.4509{{c}} | |||
Minimax tuning: | |||
* 11-odd-limit: ~3/2 = {{monzo| 0 0 1/4 }} | |||
: projection map: [{{monzo| 1 0 0 0 0 }}, {{monzo| 1 0 1/4 0 0 }}, {{monzo| 0 0 1 0 0 }}, {{monzo| -3 0 5/2 0 0 }}, {{monzo| 11 0 -13/4 0 0 }}] | |||
: unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.5 | |||
Tuning ranges: | |||
* 11-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~3/2 = [694.737, 696.774] (11\19 to 18\31) | |||
* 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~3/2 = [691.202, 701.955] (1/2-comma to Pyth.) | |||
Algebraic generator: Cybozem; or else Radieubiz, the real root of 3''x''<sup>3</sup> + 6''x'' - 19. Unlike Cybozem, the recurrence for Radieubiz does not converge. | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12e, 19, 31, 81, 112b }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 0.712 | |||
Badness: 0. | |||
; Music | |||
* [http://soonlabel.com/xenharmonic/archives/607 Scott Joplin's "The Entertainer" tuned into meanpop]{{dead link}} | |||
* [http://micro.soonlabel.com/gene_ward_smith/Others/Meneghin/Claudi-Meneghin-Twinkle-canon-50-edo.mp3 ''Twinkle canon – 50 edo''] by [http://soonlabel.com/xenharmonic/archives/573 Claudi Meneghin] | |||
==== Tridecimal meanpop ==== | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | |||
Comma list: 81/80, 105/104, 126/125, 144/143 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -4 -13 24 -20 | 0 1 4 10 -13 15 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1201.0765{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.8361{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.2347{{c}} | |||
Minimax tuning: | |||
* 13- and 15-odd-limit: ~3/2 = {{monzo| 4/7 0 0 0 -1/28 1/28 }} | |||
: unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.13/11 | |||
= | Tuning ranges: | ||
[ | * 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~3/2 = [694.737, 696.774] (11\19 to 18\31) | ||
* 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~3/2 = [691.202, 701.955] (1/2-comma to Pyth.) | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 19, 31, 50, 81 }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 0.863 | |||
===== Meanpoppic ===== | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17 | |||
Comma list: 81/80, 105/104, 126/125, 144/143, 273/272 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -4 -13 24 -20 -37 | 0 1 4 10 -13 15 26 }} | |||
== | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = 1201.0727{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.8168{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.2195{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 19g, 31, 50, 81, 131bd }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.02 | |||
== | ====== 19-limit ====== | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19 | |||
Comma list: 81/80, 105/104, 126/125, 144/143, 153/152, 273/272 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -4 -13 24 -20 -37 -40 | 0 1 4 10 -13 15 26 28 }} | |||
== | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = 1201.0719{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.8101{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.2137{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 19gh, 31, 50, 81 }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.08 | |||
=== | ===== Meanpoid ===== | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17 | |||
Comma list: 81/80, 105/104, 120/119, 126/125, 144/143 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -4 -13 24 -20 12 | 0 1 4 10 -13 15 -5 }} | |||
= | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.2768{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.5683{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.4114{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 19, 31 }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.17 | |||
====== 19-limit ====== | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19 | |||
Comma list: 77/76, 81/80, 96/95, 105/104, 120/119, 126/125 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -4 -13 24 -20 12 9 | 0 1 4 10 -13 15 -5 -3 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1199.7905{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.3779{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.4973{{c}} | |||
= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 19, 31 }} | ||
Badness (Sintel): 1.25 | |||
==== Semimeanpop ==== | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | |||
Comma list: 81/80, 126/125, 385/384, 847/845 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 -8 -26 48 39 | 0 1 4 10 -13 -10 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~55/39, ~3 | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~55/39 = 600.6704{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.2151{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~55/39 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.4341{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12e, 50, 62, 112b }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.78 | |||
= | ===== 17-limit ===== | ||
== | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17 | ||
Comma list: 81/80, 126/125, 221/220, 273/272, 289/288 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 -8 -26 48 39 5 | 0 1 4 10 -13 -10 1 }} | |||
= | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~17/12 = 600.7232{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.2820{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.4411{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12e, 50, 62, 112bg }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.45 | |||
===== 19-limit ===== | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19 | |||
Comma list: 81/80, 126/125, 153/152, 209/208, 221/220, 273/272 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 -8 -26 48 39 5 -1 | 0 1 4 10 -13 -10 1 3 }} | |||
== | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~17/12 = 600.7527{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.3244{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.4525{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12e, 50, 62, 112bgh }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.28 | |||
== | === Meanenneadecal === | ||
Meanenneadecal maps the 11/8 to the augmented fourth (C–F♯), and tridecimal meanenneadecal maps the 13/8 to the double-augmented fifth (C–G𝄪). Note also 11/10 is a major second; 12/11~14/13, minor second; and 13/12, double-augmented unison. | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | |||
Comma list: 45/44, 56/55, 81/80 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -4 -13 -6 | 0 1 4 10 6 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1199.6946{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.0729{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.2083{{c}} | |||
Tuning ranges: | |||
* 11-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~3/2 = [694.737, 700.000] (11\19 to 7\12) | |||
* 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~3/2 = [682.502, 704.377] | |||
= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7d, 12, 19, 31e }} | ||
Badness (Sintel): 0.708 | |||
==== 13-limit ==== | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | |||
Comma list: 45/44, 56/55, 78/77, 81/80 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -4 -13 -6 -20 | 0 1 4 10 6 15 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1199.7931{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.0258{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.1241{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7df, 12f, 19, 31e }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 0.875 | |||
===== 17-limit ===== | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17 | |||
Comma list: 45/44, 56/55, 78/77, 81/80, 120/119 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -4 -13 -6 -20 12 | 0 1 4 10 6 15 -5 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1198.6665{{c}}, ~3/2 = 695.8010{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.4998{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12f, 19, 31e }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.17 | |||
===== 19-limit ===== | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19 | |||
Comma list: 45/44, 56/55, 78/77, 81/80, 96/95, 120/119 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -4 -13 -6 -20 12 9 | 0 1 4 10 6 15 -5 -3 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1198.2880{{c}}, ~3/2 = 695.7123{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.6370{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12f, 19, 31e }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.23 | |||
==== Vincenzo ==== | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | |||
Comma list: 45/44, 56/55, 65/64, 81/80 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -4 -13 -6 10 | 0 1 4 10 6 -4 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1202.1684{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.3160{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 695.2045{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7d, 12, 19 }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.02 | |||
===== 17-limit ===== | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17 | |||
Comma list: 45/44, 52/51, 56/55, 65/64, 81/80 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -4 -13 -6 10 12 | 0 1 4 10 6 -4 -5 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.5137{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.1561{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 695.8771{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12, 19 }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.30 | |||
===== 19-limit ===== | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19 | |||
Comma list: 39/38, 45/44, 52/51, 56/55, 65/64, 81/80 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -4 -13 -6 10 12 9 | 0 1 4 10 6 -4 -5 -3 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1199.8261{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.0298{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.1262{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12, 19 }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.36 | |||
=== Bimeantone === | |||
11/8 is mapped to half octave minus the [[128/125|meantone diesis]]. | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | |||
Comma list: 81/80, 126/125, 245/242 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 -8 -26 -31 | 0 1 4 10 12 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~63/44, ~3 | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~63/44 = 600.7492{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.8853{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~63/44 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.1908{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12, 26de, 38d, 50 }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.26 | |||
==== 13-limit ==== | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | |||
Comma list: 81/80, 105/104, 126/125, 245/242 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 -8 -26 -31 -40 | 0 1 4 10 12 15 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~55/39 = 600.8309{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.8000{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~55/39 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.0066{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12f, 26deff, 38df, 50 }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.19 | |||
==== 17-limit ==== | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17 | |||
Comma list: 81/80, 105/104, 126/125, 189/187, 221/220 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 -8 -26 -31 -40 5 | 0 1 4 10 12 15 1 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~17/12 = 600.9234{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.8536{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 695.9317{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12f, 38df, 50 }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.15 | |||
==== 19-limit ==== | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19 | |||
Comma list: 81/80, 105/104, 126/125, 153/152, 189/187, 221/220 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 -8 -26 -31 -40 5 -1 | 0 1 4 10 12 15 1 3 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~17/12 = 600.9845{{c}}, ~3/2 = 696.8939{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 695.8947{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12f, 26deff, 38df, 50 }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.08 | |||
=== Trimean === | |||
{{See also| No-sevens subgroup temperaments #Superpine }} | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | |||
Comma list: 81/80, 126/125, 1344/1331 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 4 7 5 | 0 -3 -12 -30 -11 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~11/10 | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.7155{{c}}, ~11/10 = 167.9055{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~11/10 = 167.7749{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7d, 36d, 43, 50, 93 }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.68 | |||
==== 13-limit ==== | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | |||
Comma list: 81/80, 126/125, 144/143, 364/363 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 4 7 5 3 | 0 -3 -12 -30 -11 5 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.6104{{c}}, ~11/10 = 167.8749{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~11/10 = 167.7728{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7d, 43, 50, 93 }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.46 | |||
==== 17-limit ==== | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17 | |||
Comma list: 81/80, 126/125, 144/143, 189/187, 221/220 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 4 7 5 3 8 | 0 -3 -12 -30 -11 5 -28 }} | |||