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The '''syntonic–diatonic equivalence continuum''' is a [[equivalence continuum|continuum]] of [[regular temperament|temperaments]] which equate a number of [[81/80|syntonic commas (81/80)]] with the [[256/243|Pythagorean limma (256/243)]]. This continuum is theoretically interesting in that these are all [[5-limit]] temperaments [[support]]ed by [[5edo]]. | The '''syntonic–limmic''' (or '''syntonic–diatonic''') '''equivalence continuum''' is a [[equivalence continuum|continuum]] of [[regular temperament|temperaments]] which equate a number of [[81/80|syntonic commas (81/80)]] with the [[256/243|Pythagorean limma (256/243)]]. This continuum is theoretically interesting in that these are all [[5-limit]] temperaments [[support]]ed by [[5edo]]. | ||
All temperaments in the continuum satisfy {{nowrap|(81/80)<sup>''n''</sup> ~ 256/243}}. Varying ''n'' results in different temperaments listed in the table below. It converges to [[meantone]] as ''n'' approaches infinity. If we allow non-integer and infinite ''n'', the continuum describes the set of all 5-limit temperaments supported by 5edo due to it being the unique equal temperament that [[tempering out|tempers out]] both commas and thus tempers out all combinations of them. The just value of ''n'' is 4.1952…, and temperaments near this tend to be the most accurate ones. | All temperaments in the continuum satisfy {{nowrap|(81/80)<sup>''n''</sup> ~ 256/243}}. Varying ''n'' results in different temperaments listed in the table below. It converges to [[meantone]] as ''n'' approaches infinity. If we allow non-integer and infinite ''n'', the continuum describes the set of all 5-limit temperaments supported by 5edo due to it being the unique equal temperament that [[tempering out|tempers out]] both commas and thus tempers out all combinations of them. The just value of ''n'' is 4.1952…, and temperaments near this tend to be the most accurate ones. | ||
256/243 is the characteristic [[3-limit]] comma tempered out in 5edo, and has many advantages as a target. In each case, ''n'' equals the order of [[5/1|harmonic 5]] in the corresponding comma, and equals the number of generators to obtain a harmonic 3 in the generator chain. For example: | 256/243 is the characteristic [[3-limit]] comma tempered out in 5edo, and has many advantages as a target. In each case, ''n'' equals the order of [[5/1|harmonic 5]] in the corresponding comma, and equals the number of generators to obtain a harmonic 3 in the generator chain. For example: | ||
* Superpyth {{nowrap| | * Superpyth ({{nowrap| ''n'' {{=}} 1 }}) is generated by a fifth; | ||
* Immunity {{nowrap| | * Immunity ({{nowrap| ''n'' {{=}} 2 }}) splits its twelfth in two; | ||
* Rodan {{nowrap| | * Rodan ({{nowrap| ''n'' {{=}} 3 }}) splits its fifth in three; | ||
* Etc. | * Etc. | ||
At {{nowrap|''n'' {{=}} 5}}, the corresponding temperament splits the ''octave'' into five instead, as after a stack of five syntonic commas, both the orders of 3 and 5 are multiples of 5 again. | At {{nowrap| ''n'' {{=}} 5 }}, the corresponding temperament splits the ''octave'' into five instead, as after a stack of five syntonic commas, both the orders of 3 and 5 are multiples of 5 again. | ||
If we let {{nowrap|''k'' {{=}} ''n'' + 1}} so that {{nowrap|''k'' {{=}} 0}} means {{nowrap|''n'' {{=}} | If we let {{nowrap| ''k'' {{=}} ''n'' + 1 }} so that {{nowrap| ''k'' {{=}} 0 }} means {{nowrap|''n'' {{=}} −1}}, {{nowrap| ''k'' {{=}} 1 }} means {{nowrap| ''n'' {{=}} 0 }}, etc. then the continuum corresponds to {{nowrap| (81/80)<sup>''k''</sup> {{=}} 16/15 }}. Some prefer this way of conceptualising it because: | ||
* 16/15 is the classic diatonic semitone, notable in the 5-limit as the difference between 4/3 and 5/4, so this shifted continuum could also logically be termed the "syntonic–diatonic equivalence continuum". This means that at {{nowrap|''k'' {{=}} 0}}, 4/3 and 5/4 are mapped to the same interval while 81/80 becomes independent of 16/15 (meaning 81/80 may or may not be tempered) because the relation becomes {{nowrap|(81/80)<sup>0</sup> ~ 1/1 ~ 16/15}}. | * 16/15 is the classic diatonic semitone, notable in the 5-limit as the difference between 4/3 and 5/4, so this shifted continuum could also logically be termed the "syntonic–diatonic equivalence continuum". This means that at {{nowrap| ''k'' {{=}} 0 }}, 4/3 and 5/4 are mapped to the same interval while 81/80 becomes independent of 16/15 (meaning 81/80 may or may not be tempered out) because the relation becomes {{nowrap| (81/80)<sup>0</sup> ~ 1/1 ~ 16/15 }}. | ||
* {{nowrap|''k'' {{=}} 1}} and upwards (up to a point) represent temperaments with | * {{nowrap| ''k'' {{=}} 1 }} and upwards (up to a point) represent temperaments with the potential for reasonably good accuracy as equating at least one 81/80 with 16/15 seems like a good lower bound for a temperament intended to model JI. A good upper bound might be rodan ({{nowrap| ''k'' {{=}} 4 }}), with the only exception being meantone ({{nowrap| ''n'' {{=}} ''k'' {{=}} ∞ }}). (Temperaments corresponding to {{nowrap| ''k'' {{=}} 0, −1, −2, … }} are comparatively low-accuracy to the point of developing various intriguing structures and consequences.) | ||
* 16/15 is the simplest ratio to be tempered in the continuum. | * 16/15 is the simplest ratio to be tempered out in the continuum. | ||
{| class="wikitable center-1 center-2" | {| class="wikitable center-1 center-2" | ||
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| Laquadgu (5 & 28) | | Laquadgu (5 & 28) | ||
| [[177147/160000]] | | [[177147/160000]] | ||
| {{ | | {{Monzo| -8 11 -4 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| −2 | | −2 | ||
| −3 | | −3 | ||
| [[ | | [[Laconic]] | ||
| [[2187/2000]] | | [[2187/2000]] | ||
| {{ | | {{Monzo| -4 7 -3 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| −1 | | −1 | ||
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| [[Bug]] | | [[Bug]] | ||
| [[27/25]] | | [[27/25]] | ||
| {{ | | {{Monzo| 0 3 -2 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 0 | | 0 | ||
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| [[Father]] | | [[Father]] | ||
| [[16/15]] | | [[16/15]] | ||
| {{ | | {{Monzo| 4 -1 -1 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 1 | | 1 | ||
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| [[Blackwood]] | | [[Blackwood]] | ||
| [[256/243]] | | [[256/243]] | ||
| {{ | | {{Monzo| 8 -5 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 2 | | 2 | ||
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| [[Superpyth]] | | [[Superpyth]] | ||
| [[20480/19683]] | | [[20480/19683]] | ||
| {{ | | {{Monzo| 12 -9 1 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 3 | | 3 | ||
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| [[Immunity]] | | [[Immunity]] | ||
| [[1638400/1594323]] | | [[1638400/1594323]] | ||
| {{ | | {{Monzo| 16 -13 2 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 4 | | 4 | ||
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| [[Rodan]] | | [[Rodan]] | ||
| [[131072000/129140163]] | | [[131072000/129140163]] | ||
| {{ | | {{Monzo| 20 -17 3 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 5 | | 5 | ||
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| [[Vulture]] | | [[Vulture]] | ||
| [[10485760000/10460353203|(22 digits)]] | | [[10485760000/10460353203|(22 digits)]] | ||
| {{ | | {{Monzo| 24 -21 4 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 6 | | 6 | ||
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| [[Quintile]] | | [[Quintile]] | ||
| (24 digits) | | (24 digits) | ||
| {{ | | {{Monzo| -28 25 -5 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 7 | | 7 | ||
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| [[Hemiseven]] | | [[Hemiseven]] | ||
| (28 digits) | | (28 digits) | ||
| {{ | | {{Monzo| -32 29 -6 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| … | |||
| … | | … | ||
| … | | … | ||
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| [[Meantone]] | | [[Meantone]] | ||
| [[81/80]] | | [[81/80]] | ||
| {{ | | {{Monzo| -4 4 -1 }} | ||
|} | |} | ||
We may invert the continuum by setting ''m'' such that 1/''m'' + 1/''n'' = 1. This may be called the '' | We may invert the continuum by setting ''m'' such that {{nowrap| 1/''m'' + 1/''n'' {{=}} 1 }}. This may be called the ''superpyth–limmic equivalence continuum'', which is essentially the same thing. The just value of ''m'' is 1.3130…. The [[superpyth comma]] is both larger and more complex than the syntonic comma. As such, this continuum does not contain as many useful temperaments, but still interesting nonetheless. | ||
{| class="wikitable center-1" | {| class="wikitable center-1" | ||
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| [[Ultrapyth]] | | [[Ultrapyth]] | ||
| [[5242880/4782969]] | | [[5242880/4782969]] | ||
| {{ | | {{Monzo| 20 -14 1 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 0 | | 0 | ||
| [[Blackwood]] | | [[Blackwood]] | ||
| [[256/243]] | | [[256/243]] | ||
| {{ | | {{Monzo| 8 -5 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 1 | | 1 | ||
| [[Meantone]] | | [[Meantone]] | ||
| [[81/80]] | | [[81/80]] | ||
| {{ | | {{Monzo| -4 4 -1 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 2 | | 2 | ||
| [[Immunity]] | | [[Immunity]] | ||
| [[1638400/1594323]] | | [[1638400/1594323]] | ||
| {{ | | {{Monzo| 16 -13 2 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 3 | | 3 | ||
| 5 & 56 | | 5 & 56 | ||
| [[33554432000/31381059609]] | | [[33554432000/31381059609]] | ||
| {{ | | {{Monzo| 28 -22 3 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| … | | … | ||
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| [[Superpyth]] | | [[Superpyth]] | ||
| [[20480/19683]] | | [[20480/19683]] | ||
| {{ | | {{Monzo| 12 -9 1 }} | ||
|} | |} | ||
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! ''n'' !! ''m'' !! Temperament !! Comma | ! ''n'' !! ''m'' !! Temperament !! Comma | ||
|- | |- | ||
| −3/2 = −1.5 || 3/5 = 0.6 || [[University]] || {{ | | −3/2 = −1.5 || 3/5 = 0.6 || [[University]] || {{Monzo| 4 2 -3 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| −1/2 = −0.5 || 1/3 = 0.{{overline|3}} || [[Uncle]] || {{ | | −1/2 = −0.5 || 1/3 = 0.{{overline|3}} || [[Uncle]] || {{Monzo| 12 -6 -1 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 1/3 = 0.{{overline|3}} || −1/2 = −0.5 || [[Dirt]] || {{ | | 1/3 = 0.{{overline|3}} || −1/2 = −0.5 || [[Dirt]] || {{Monzo| 28 -19 1 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 5/2 = 2.5 || 5/3 = 1.{{overline|6}} || [[Counterpental]] || {{ | | 5/2 = 2.5 || 5/3 = 1.{{overline|6}} || [[Counterpental]] || {{Monzo| 36 -30 5 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 7/2 = 3.5 || 7/5 = 1.4 || [[Septiquarter]] || {{ | | 7/2 = 3.5 || 7/5 = 1.4 || [[Septiquarter]] || {{Monzo| 44 -38 7 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 21/5 = 4.2 || 21/16 = 1.3125 || 559 & | | 21/5 = 4.2 || 21/16 = 1.3125 || 559 & 2513 || {{Monzo| -124 109 -21 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 13/3 = 4.{{overline|3}} || 13/10 = 1.3 || [[Tokko]] || {{Monzo| -76 67 -13 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 11/2 = 5.5 || 11/9 = 1.{{overline|2}} || 5 & | | 9/2 = 4.5 || 9/7 = 1.{{overline|285714}} || 5 & 118 || {{Monzo| -52 46 -9 }} | ||
|- | |||
| 11/2 = 5.5 || 11/9 = 1.{{overline|2}} || 5 & 137 || {{Monzo| -60 54 -11 }} | |||
|} | |} | ||
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: ''For extensions, see [[Archytas clan #Superpyth]] and [[Jubilismic clan #Bipyth]].'' | : ''For extensions, see [[Archytas clan #Superpyth]] and [[Jubilismic clan #Bipyth]].'' | ||
In the 5-limit, superpyth tempers out [[20480/19683]]. It has a fifth generator of ~3/2 = ~ | In the 5-limit, superpyth tempers out [[20480/19683]]. It has a fifth generator of {{nowrap| ~3/2 {{=}} ~710{{c}} }} and ~5/4 is found at +9 generator steps, as an augmented second (C–D#). It corresponds to {{nowrap| ''n'' {{=}} 1 }}, meaning that the syntonic comma is equated with the diatonic semitone. | ||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5 | ||
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* [[ | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1197.6520{{c}}, ~3/2 = 708.6882{{c}} | ||
: [[error map]]: {{val| | : [[error map]]: {{val| -2.348 +4.385 -1.076 }} | ||
* [[ | * [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 709.8213{{c}} | ||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 + | : error map: {{val| 0.000 +7.866 +2.078 }} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 17, 22, 49, 120b, 169bbc }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 17, 22, 49, 120b, 169bbc }} | ||
[[Badness]] ( | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 3.17 | ||
== Uncle (5-limit) == | == Uncle (5-limit) == | ||
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[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[ | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1189.7544{{c}}, ~3/2 = 724.6670{{c}} | ||
: [[error map]]: {{val| | : [[error map]]: {{val| -10.246 +12.466 +4.210 }} | ||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200. | * [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 731.7318{{c}} | ||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +29.777 +23.296 }} | : error map: {{val| 0.000 +29.777 +23.296 }} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 13, 18, 23bc }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 13, 18, 23bc }} | ||
[[Badness]] | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 6.33 | ||
== Ultrapyth (5-limit) == | == Ultrapyth (5-limit) == | ||
: ''For extensions, see [[Archytas clan #Ultrapyth]].'' | : ''For extensions, see [[Archytas clan #Ultrapyth]].'' | ||
The 5-limit version of ultrapyth tempers out the [[ultrapyth comma]]. It is generated by a perfect fifth. The interval class of 5 is found at +14 fifths as a double-augmented unison (C–Cx). It corresponds to {{nowrap|''m'' {{=}} -1}} and {{nowrap|''n'' {{=}} 1/2}}. | The 5-limit version of ultrapyth tempers out the [[ultrapyth comma]]. It is generated by a perfect fifth. The interval class of 5 is found at +14 fifths as a double-augmented unison (C–Cx). It corresponds to {{nowrap| ''m'' {{=}} -1 }} and {{nowrap| ''n'' {{=}} 1/2 }}. | ||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5 | ||
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* [[ | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1196.4357{{c}}, ~3/2 = 711.7085{{c}} | ||
: [[error map]]: {{val| | : [[error map]]: {{val| -3.564 +6.189 -1.009 }} | ||
* [[ | * [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 713.5968{{c}} | ||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +11. | : error map: {{val| 0.000 +11.642 +4.041 }} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 27c, 32, 37, 79bc, 116bbc }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 27c, 32, 37, 79bc, 116bbc }} | ||
[[Badness]] ( | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 18.7 | ||
== Dirt == | == Dirt == | ||
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[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[ | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1195.8566{{c}}, ~3/2 = 713.0611{{c}} | ||
: [[error map]]: {{val| | : [[error map]]: {{val| -4.143 +6.963 -0.863 }} | ||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.000, ~3/2 = 715. | * [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 715.3406{{c}} | ||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +13.386 +5.157 }} | : error map: {{val| 0.000 +13.386 +5.157 }} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 42c, 47b, 52b, 109bbc }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 42c, 47b, 52b, 109bbc }} | ||
[[Badness]] ( | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 55.3 | ||
== Rodan (5-limit) == | == Rodan (5-limit) == | ||
: ''For extensions, see [[Gamelismic clan #Rodan]].'' | : ''For extensions, see [[Gamelismic clan #Rodan]].'' | ||
The 5-limit version of rodan tempers out the [[rodan comma]], which is the difference between a stack of three [[729/640|retroptolemaic whole tones (729/640)]] and a perfect fifth (3/2). The only 7-limit extension that makes any sense to use is to add the gamelisma to the comma list. It corresponds to {{nowrap| ''n'' {{=}} 3 }}. | The 5-limit version of rodan tempers out the [[rodan comma]], which is the difference between a stack of three [[729/640|retroptolemaic whole tones (729/640)]] and a perfect fifth (3/2). The only 7-limit extension that makes any sense to use is to add the gamelisma to the comma list, whereby the generator represents [[8/7]]. It corresponds to {{nowrap| ''n'' {{=}} 3 }}. | ||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5 | ||
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[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[ | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1199.5618{{c}}, ~729/640 = 234.4424{{c}} | ||
: [[error map]]: {{val| 0. | : [[error map]]: {{val| -0.438 +0.934 -0.355 }} | ||
* [[ | * [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~729/640 = 234.4999{{c}} | ||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +1. | : error map: {{val| 0.000 +1.545 +0.185 }} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, …, 41, 46, 87, 220, 307 }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, …, 41, 46, 87, 220, 307 }} | ||
[[Badness]]: | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 3.95 | ||
== Laconic == | == Laconic == | ||
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{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 1 | 0 3 7 }} | {{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 1 | 0 3 7 }} | ||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[ | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1203.1925{{c}}, ~10/9 = 228.0305{{c}} | ||
: [[error map]]: {{val| | : [[error map]]: {{val| +3.193 -14.671 +13.092 }} | ||
* [[ | * [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~10/9 = 228.0128{{c}} | ||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 - | : error map: {{val| 0.000 -17.917 +9.776 }} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 11c, 16, 21, 37b }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 11c, 16, 21, 37b }} | ||
[[Badness]] ( | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 3.80 | ||
== University == | == University == | ||
: ''For extensions, see [[Gamelismic clan #Gidorah]] and [[Mint temperaments #Penta]].'' | : ''For extensions, see [[Gamelismic clan #Gidorah]] and [[Mint temperaments #Penta]].'' | ||
Named by [[John Moriarty]], university is the 5 & 6b temperament, and tempers out [[144/125]], the triptolemaic diminished third. It corresponds to ''n'' = −3/2 and ''m'' = 3/5. In this temperament, two instances of [[6/5]] make a [[5/4]], and three make a [[3/2]]. Equating 6/5 with [[8/7]] (which makes sense since it is already very flat in the most accurate tunings of this temperament) leads to [[Gamelismic clan #Gidorah|gidorah]], and 6/5 with [[7/6]] leads to [[Mint temperaments #Penta|penta]]. | Named by [[John Moriarty]], university is the {{nowrap| 5 & 6b }} temperament, and tempers out [[144/125]], the triptolemaic diminished third. It corresponds to {{nowrap| ''n'' {{=}} −3/2 }} and {{nowrap| ''m'' {{=}} 3/5 }}. In this temperament, two instances of [[6/5]] make a [[5/4]], and three make a [[3/2]]. Equating 6/5 with [[8/7]] (which makes sense since it is already very flat in the most accurate tunings of this temperament) leads to [[Gamelismic clan #Gidorah|gidorah]], and 6/5 with [[7/6]] leads to [[Mint temperaments #Penta|penta]]. | ||
University widens the classical major and minor chords to [[Extraclassical tonality|tendo and arto chords.]] | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5 | ||
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* [[ | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1186.1969{{c}}, ~6/5 = 232.7334{{c}} | ||
: [[error map]]: {{val| | : [[error map]]: {{val| -13.803 -17.558 +51.547 }} | ||
* [[ | * [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~6/5 = 231.4822{{c}} | ||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 | : error map: {{val| 0.000 -7.509 +76.651 }} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 1b, …, 4bc, 5 }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 1b, …, 4bc, 5 }} | ||
[[Badness]] ( | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.39 | ||
== Trisatriyo (5 & | === Music === | ||
The purely 5-limit university mapping, using the 21cc [[val]], was in mind when writing this song. | |||
; [[John Moriarty]] | |||
* [https://soundcloud.com/john-lank1/uni ''Uni''] (2013) – University[6] in approximately 21edo | |||
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== Trisatriyo (5 & 56) == | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5 | ||
[[Comma list]]: {{monzo| 28 -22 3 }} | [[Comma list]]: {{monzo| 28 -22 3 }} (33554432000/31381059609) | ||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 -2 | 0 3 22 }} | {{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 -2 | 0 3 22 }} | ||
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* [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000, ~2560/2187 = 235.867 | * [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~2560/2187 = 235.867{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, …, 51, 56, 117b, 173b }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, …, 51, 56, 117b, 173b }} | ||
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[http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=5_56&limit=5 The temperament finder - 5-limit 5 & 56] | [http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=5_56&limit=5 The temperament finder - 5-limit 5 & 56] | ||
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== Hemiseven (5-limit) == | == Hemiseven (5-limit) == | ||
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[[Comma list]]: {{monzo| 32 -29 6 }} | [[Comma list]]: {{monzo| 32 -29 6 }} | ||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 | {{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -2 -15 | 0 6 29 }} | ||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~ | : mapping generators: ~2, ~243/160 | ||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[ | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.3725{{c}}, ~243/160 = 716.9750{{c}} | ||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.373 -0.850 +0.376 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~243/160 = 716.7671{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -1.352 -0.067 }} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, …, 72, 149, 221, 370, 591b }} | ||
[[Badness]] ( | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 16.9 | ||
== Counterpental == | == Counterpental == | ||
: ''For extensions, see [[Orwellismic temperaments # | : ''For extensions, see [[Orwellismic temperaments #Pentaorwell]].'' | ||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5 | ||
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* [[ | * [[WE]]: ~729/640 = 239.8575{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.1540{{c}} | ||
: [[error map]]: {{val| -0.712 +1.487 -0.535 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~729/640 = 240.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.4446{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +2.490 +0.354 }} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, …, 75, 80, 155, 390b, 545bbc }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, …, 75, 80, 155, 390b, 545bbc }} | ||
[[Badness]] ( | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 35.2 | ||
== Septiquarter (5-limit) == | == Septiquarter (5-limit) == | ||
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[[Comma list]]: {{monzo| 44 -38 7 }} | [[Comma list]]: {{monzo| 44 -38 7 }} | ||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 3 | {{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -4 -28 | 0 7 38 }} | ||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~177147/102400 | |||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | |||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1199.7741{{c}}, ~177147/102400 = 957.3630{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| -0.226 +0.490 -0.194 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~177147/102400 = 957.5367{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.802 +0.082 }} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, …, 94, 99, 193, 292, 391, 1074b, 1465bb }} | |||
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 22.8 | |||
== Tokko (5-limit) == | |||
: ''For extensions, see [[Wizmic microtemperaments #Tokko]].'' | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5 | |||
[[Comma list]]: {{monzo| -76 67 -13 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~ | {{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -1 -11 | 0 13 67 }} | ||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~{{monzo| -35 31 -6 }} | |||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[ | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.0377{{c}}, ~{{monzo| -35 31 -6 }} = 238.6084{{c}} | ||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.038 -0.083 +0.035 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~{{monzo| -35 31 -6 }} = 238.6015{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.135 -0.011 }} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, …, 166, 171, 860, 1031, 1202, 1373, 1544, 3259, 4803b, 6347b }} | ||
[[Badness]] ( | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 20.9 | ||
== Quinla-tritrigu (5 & | <!-- | ||
== Quinla-tritrigu (5 & 118) == | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5 | ||
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{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -2 -16 | 0 9 46 }} | {{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -2 -16 | 0 9 46 }} | ||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~320/243 | : mapping generators: ~2, ~320/243 | ||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000, ~320/243 = 477.961 | * [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~320/243 = 477.961{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 108c, 113, 118, 1057, 1175, 1293, 1411, 1529, 1647, 1765, 1883, 2001b, 3884b }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 108c, 113, 118, 1057, 1175, 1293, 1411, 1529, 1647, 1765, 1883, 2001b, 3884b }} | ||
[[Badness]] ( | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 14.5 | ||
== Tribilalegu (5 & | == Tribilalegu (5 & 137) == | ||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5 | ||
[[Comma list]]: {{Monzo| -60 54 -11 }} | [[Comma list]]: {{Monzo| -60 54 -11 }} | ||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 | {{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -5 -30 | 0 11 54 }} | ||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~243/160 | |||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~ | |||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000, ~ | * [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~243/160 = 718.258{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 127c, 132, 137, 553, 690b, 827b, 964b }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 127c, 132, 137, 553, 690b, 827b, 964b }} | ||
[[Badness]] ( | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 84.9 | ||
== 559 & 2513 == | |||
== 559 & | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5 | ||
[[Comma list]]: {{monzo| -124 109 -21 }} | [[Comma list]]: {{monzo| -124 109 -21 }} | ||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 | {{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -11 -63 | 0 21 109 }} | ||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~{{monzo| -29 26 -5 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~ | |||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000, ~ | * [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~{{monzo| -29 26 -5 }} = 719.1405{{c}} | ||
{{ | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, …, 277, 559, 1395, 1954, 2513, 40767, 43280, 45793, 48306, 50819, 53332, 55845, 58358, 60871, 63384, 65897, 68410, 70923, 73436, 75949, 78462, 154411b }} | |||
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 3.16 | |||
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[[Category:5edo]] | [[Category:5edo]] | ||
[[Category:Equivalence continua]] | [[Category:Equivalence continua]] | ||
Latest revision as of 03:21, 27 August 2026
- This is a list showing technical temperament data. For an explanation of what information is shown here, you may look at the technical data guide for regular temperaments.
The syntonic–limmic (or syntonic–diatonic) equivalence continuum is a continuum of temperaments which equate a number of syntonic commas (81/80) with the Pythagorean limma (256/243). This continuum is theoretically interesting in that these are all 5-limit temperaments supported by 5edo.
All temperaments in the continuum satisfy (81/80)n ~ 256/243. Varying n results in different temperaments listed in the table below. It converges to meantone as n approaches infinity. If we allow non-integer and infinite n, the continuum describes the set of all 5-limit temperaments supported by 5edo due to it being the unique equal temperament that tempers out both commas and thus tempers out all combinations of them. The just value of n is 4.1952…, and temperaments near this tend to be the most accurate ones.
256/243 is the characteristic 3-limit comma tempered out in 5edo, and has many advantages as a target. In each case, n equals the order of harmonic 5 in the corresponding comma, and equals the number of generators to obtain a harmonic 3 in the generator chain. For example:
- Superpyth (n = 1) is generated by a fifth;
- Immunity (n = 2) splits its twelfth in two;
- Rodan (n = 3) splits its fifth in three;
- Etc.
At n = 5, the corresponding temperament splits the octave into five instead, as after a stack of five syntonic commas, both the orders of 3 and 5 are multiples of 5 again.
If we let k = n + 1 so that k = 0 means n = −1, k = 1 means n = 0, etc. then the continuum corresponds to (81/80)k = 16/15. Some prefer this way of conceptualising it because:
- 16/15 is the classic diatonic semitone, notable in the 5-limit as the difference between 4/3 and 5/4, so this shifted continuum could also logically be termed the "syntonic–diatonic equivalence continuum". This means that at k = 0, 4/3 and 5/4 are mapped to the same interval while 81/80 becomes independent of 16/15 (meaning 81/80 may or may not be tempered out) because the relation becomes (81/80)0 ~ 1/1 ~ 16/15.
- k = 1 and upwards (up to a point) represent temperaments with the potential for reasonably good accuracy as equating at least one 81/80 with 16/15 seems like a good lower bound for a temperament intended to model JI. A good upper bound might be rodan (k = 4), with the only exception being meantone (n = k = ∞). (Temperaments corresponding to k = 0, −1, −2, … are comparatively low-accuracy to the point of developing various intriguing structures and consequences.)
- 16/15 is the simplest ratio to be tempered out in the continuum.
| k | n | Temperament | Comma | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ratio | Monzo | |||
| −3 | −4 | Laquadgu (5 & 28) | 177147/160000 | [-8 11 -4⟩ |
| −2 | −3 | Laconic | 2187/2000 | [-4 7 -3⟩ |
| −1 | −2 | Bug | 27/25 | [0 3 -2⟩ |
| 0 | −1 | Father | 16/15 | [4 -1 -1⟩ |
| 1 | 0 | Blackwood | 256/243 | [8 -5⟩ |
| 2 | 1 | Superpyth | 20480/19683 | [12 -9 1⟩ |
| 3 | 2 | Immunity | 1638400/1594323 | [16 -13 2⟩ |
| 4 | 3 | Rodan | 131072000/129140163 | [20 -17 3⟩ |
| 5 | 4 | Vulture | (22 digits) | [24 -21 4⟩ |
| 6 | 5 | Quintile | (24 digits) | [-28 25 -5⟩ |
| 7 | 6 | Hemiseven | (28 digits) | [-32 29 -6⟩ |
| … | … | … | … | … |
| ∞ | ∞ | Meantone | 81/80 | [-4 4 -1⟩ |
We may invert the continuum by setting m such that 1/m + 1/n = 1. This may be called the superpyth–limmic equivalence continuum, which is essentially the same thing. The just value of m is 1.3130…. The superpyth comma is both larger and more complex than the syntonic comma. As such, this continuum does not contain as many useful temperaments, but still interesting nonetheless.
| m | Temperament | Comma | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Ratio | Monzo | ||
| −1 | Ultrapyth | 5242880/4782969 | [20 -14 1⟩ |
| 0 | Blackwood | 256/243 | [8 -5⟩ |
| 1 | Meantone | 81/80 | [-4 4 -1⟩ |
| 2 | Immunity | 1638400/1594323 | [16 -13 2⟩ |
| 3 | 5 & 56 | 33554432000/31381059609 | [28 -22 3⟩ |
| … | … | … | … |
| ∞ | Superpyth | 20480/19683 | [12 -9 1⟩ |
| n | m | Temperament | Comma |
|---|---|---|---|
| −3/2 = −1.5 | 3/5 = 0.6 | University | [4 2 -3⟩ |
| −1/2 = −0.5 | 1/3 = 0.3 | Uncle | [12 -6 -1⟩ |
| 1/3 = 0.3 | −1/2 = −0.5 | Dirt | [28 -19 1⟩ |
| 5/2 = 2.5 | 5/3 = 1.6 | Counterpental | [36 -30 5⟩ |
| 7/2 = 3.5 | 7/5 = 1.4 | Septiquarter | [44 -38 7⟩ |
| 21/5 = 4.2 | 21/16 = 1.3125 | 559 & 2513 | [-124 109 -21⟩ |
| 13/3 = 4.3 | 13/10 = 1.3 | Tokko | [-76 67 -13⟩ |
| 9/2 = 4.5 | 9/7 = 1.285714 | 5 & 118 | [-52 46 -9⟩ |
| 11/2 = 5.5 | 11/9 = 1.2 | 5 & 137 | [-60 54 -11⟩ |
Superpyth (5-limit)
- For extensions, see Archytas clan #Superpyth and Jubilismic clan #Bipyth.
In the 5-limit, superpyth tempers out 20480/19683. It has a fifth generator of ~3/2 = ~710 ¢ and ~5/4 is found at +9 generator steps, as an augmented second (C–D#). It corresponds to n = 1, meaning that the syntonic comma is equated with the diatonic semitone.
Subgroup: 2.3.5
Comma list: 20480/19683
Mapping: [⟨1 0 -12], ⟨0 1 9]]
- mapping generators: ~2, ~3
- WE: ~2 = 1197.6520 ¢, ~3/2 = 708.6882 ¢
- error map: ⟨-2.348 +4.385 -1.076]
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~3/2 = 709.8213 ¢
- error map: ⟨0.000 +7.866 +2.078]
Optimal ET sequence: 5, 17, 22, 49, 120b, 169bbc
Badness (Sintel): 3.17
Uncle (5-limit)
- For extensions, see Trienstonic clan #Uncle.
The 5-limit version of uncle tempers out 4096/3645. It is generated by a fifth that is supposedly sharper than 3\5, so it leads to an oneirotonic scale, or otherwise a diatonic scale with negative small steps. The interval class of 5 is found at -6 fifths, as a major 2-step in oneirotonic, or a diminished fifth (C–Gb) in diatonic. It corresponds to n = -1/2 or m = 1/3.
Subgroup: 2.3.5
Comma list: 4096/3645
Mapping: [⟨1 0 12], ⟨0 1 -6]]
- mapping generators: ~2, ~3
- WE: ~2 = 1189.7544 ¢, ~3/2 = 724.6670 ¢
- error map: ⟨-10.246 +12.466 +4.210]
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~3/2 = 731.7318 ¢
- error map: ⟨0.000 +29.777 +23.296]
Optimal ET sequence: 5, 13, 18, 23bc
Badness (Sintel): 6.33
Ultrapyth (5-limit)
- For extensions, see Archytas clan #Ultrapyth.
The 5-limit version of ultrapyth tempers out the ultrapyth comma. It is generated by a perfect fifth. The interval class of 5 is found at +14 fifths as a double-augmented unison (C–Cx). It corresponds to m = -1 and n = 1/2.
Subgroup: 2.3.5
Comma list: 5242880/4782969
Mapping: [⟨1 0 -20], ⟨0 1 14]]
- mapping generators: ~2, ~3
- WE: ~2 = 1196.4357 ¢, ~3/2 = 711.7085 ¢
- error map: ⟨-3.564 +6.189 -1.009]
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~3/2 = 713.5968 ¢
- error map: ⟨0.000 +11.642 +4.041]
Optimal ET sequence: 5, 27c, 32, 37, 79bc, 116bbc
Badness (Sintel): 18.7
Dirt
Dirt tempers out the dirt comma, 1342177280/1162261467. It is generated by a perfect fifth. The interval class of 5 is found at +19 fifths, as a double-augmented seventh (C–Bx). It corresponds to n = 1/3 and m = -1/2.
Subgroup: 2.3.5
Comma list: [28 -19 1⟩
Mapping: [⟨1 0 -28], ⟨0 1 19]]
- mapping generators: ~2, ~3
- WE: ~2 = 1195.8566 ¢, ~3/2 = 713.0611 ¢
- error map: ⟨-4.143 +6.963 -0.863]
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~3/2 = 715.3406 ¢
- error map: ⟨0.000 +13.386 +5.157]
Optimal ET sequence: 5, 42c, 47b, 52b, 109bbc
Badness (Sintel): 55.3
Rodan (5-limit)
- For extensions, see Gamelismic clan #Rodan.
The 5-limit version of rodan tempers out the rodan comma, which is the difference between a stack of three retroptolemaic whole tones (729/640) and a perfect fifth (3/2). The only 7-limit extension that makes any sense to use is to add the gamelisma to the comma list, whereby the generator represents 8/7. It corresponds to n = 3.
Subgroup: 2.3.5
Comma list: 131072000/129140163
Mapping: [⟨1 1 -1], ⟨0 3 17]]
- WE: ~2 = 1199.5618 ¢, ~729/640 = 234.4424 ¢
- error map: ⟨-0.438 +0.934 -0.355]
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~729/640 = 234.4999 ¢
- error map: ⟨0.000 +1.545 +0.185]
Optimal ET sequence: 5, …, 41, 46, 87, 220, 307
Badness (Sintel): 3.95
Laconic
- For extensions, see Gamelismic clan #Gorgo.
Laconic tempers out 2187/2000, which is the difference between a stack of three ptolemaic whole tones (10/9)'s and a perfect fifth (3/2). Although a higher-error temperament, it does pop up enough in the low-numbered edos to be useful, most notably in 16edo and 21edo. The only 7-limit extension that makes any sense to use is to add the gamelisma to the comma list. It corresponds to n = -3.
Subgroup: 2.3.5
Comma list: 2187/2000
Mapping: [⟨1 1 1], ⟨0 3 7]]
- WE: ~2 = 1203.1925 ¢, ~10/9 = 228.0305 ¢
- error map: ⟨+3.193 -14.671 +13.092]
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~10/9 = 228.0128 ¢
- error map: ⟨0.000 -17.917 +9.776]
Optimal ET sequence: 5, 11c, 16, 21, 37b
Badness (Sintel): 3.80
University
- For extensions, see Gamelismic clan #Gidorah and Mint temperaments #Penta.
Named by John Moriarty, university is the 5 & 6b temperament, and tempers out 144/125, the triptolemaic diminished third. It corresponds to n = −3/2 and m = 3/5. In this temperament, two instances of 6/5 make a 5/4, and three make a 3/2. Equating 6/5 with 8/7 (which makes sense since it is already very flat in the most accurate tunings of this temperament) leads to gidorah, and 6/5 with 7/6 leads to penta.
University widens the classical major and minor chords to tendo and arto chords.
Subgroup: 2.3.5
Comma list: 144/125
Mapping: [⟨1 1 2], ⟨0 3 2]]
- WE: ~2 = 1186.1969 ¢, ~6/5 = 232.7334 ¢
- error map: ⟨-13.803 -17.558 +51.547]
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~6/5 = 231.4822 ¢
- error map: ⟨0.000 -7.509 +76.651]
Optimal ET sequence: 1b, …, 4bc, 5
Badness (Sintel): 2.39
Music
The purely 5-limit university mapping, using the 21cc val, was in mind when writing this song.
- Uni (2013) – University[6] in approximately 21edo
Hemiseven (5-limit)
- For extensions, see Gamelismic clan #Hemiseven.
Subgroup: 2.3.5
Comma list: [32 -29 6⟩
Mapping: [⟨1 -2 -15], ⟨0 6 29]]
- mapping generators: ~2, ~243/160
- WE: ~2 = 1200.3725 ¢, ~243/160 = 716.9750 ¢
- error map: ⟨+0.373 -0.850 +0.376]
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~243/160 = 716.7671 ¢
- error map: ⟨0.000 -1.352 -0.067]
Optimal ET sequence: 5, …, 72, 149, 221, 370, 591b
Badness (Sintel): 16.9
Counterpental
- For extensions, see Orwellismic temperaments #Pentaorwell.
Subgroup: 2.3.5
Comma list: [36 -30 5⟩
Mapping: [⟨5 0 -36], ⟨0 1 6]]
- mapping generators: ~729/640, ~3
- WE: ~729/640 = 239.8575 ¢, ~3/2 = 704.1540 ¢
- error map: ⟨-0.712 +1.487 -0.535]
- CWE: ~729/640 = 240.0000 ¢, ~3/2 = 704.4446 ¢
- error map: ⟨0.000 +2.490 +0.354]
Optimal ET sequence: 5, …, 75, 80, 155, 390b, 545bbc
Badness (Sintel): 35.2
Septiquarter (5-limit)
- For extensions, see Hemifamity temperaments #Septiquarter.
Subgroup: 2.3.5
Comma list: [44 -38 7⟩
Mapping: [⟨1 -4 -28], ⟨0 7 38]]
- mapping generators: ~2, ~177147/102400
- WE: ~2 = 1199.7741 ¢, ~177147/102400 = 957.3630 ¢
- error map: ⟨-0.226 +0.490 -0.194]
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~177147/102400 = 957.5367 ¢
- error map: ⟨0.000 +0.802 +0.082]
Optimal ET sequence: 5, …, 94, 99, 193, 292, 391, 1074b, 1465bb
Badness (Sintel): 22.8
Tokko (5-limit)
- For extensions, see Wizmic microtemperaments #Tokko.
Subgroup: 2.3.5
Comma list: [-76 67 -13⟩
Mapping: [⟨1 -1 -11], ⟨0 13 67]]
- mapping generators: ~2, ~[-35 31 -6⟩
- WE: ~2 = 1200.0377 ¢, ~[-35 31 -6⟩ = 238.6084 ¢
- error map: ⟨+0.038 -0.083 +0.035]
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~[-35 31 -6⟩ = 238.6015 ¢
- error map: ⟨0.000 -0.135 -0.011]
Optimal ET sequence: 5, …, 166, 171, 860, 1031, 1202, 1373, 1544, 3259, 4803b, 6347b
Badness (Sintel): 20.9