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At its most basic level, '''~~skwares~~''' can be thought of as a [[2.3.7 subgroup]] temperament, generated by a flat [[~]][[9/7]] such that four of them stack to the perfect eleventh, [[8/3]], therefore tempering out the comma [[19683/19208]]. However, it is more natural to think of the temperament first as [[2.3.7.11 subgroup]], tempering out [[99/98]] so as to identify the generator with [[14/11]] in addition to 9/7 and so that two generators stack to the undecimal neutral sixth, [[18/11]], two of which are then identified with 8/3 due to tempering out [[243/242]]. This can also be thought of as an octavization of the ~~[[3/1|tritave]]-equivalent~~ 3.7.11 [[~~Mintaka~~]] temperament by identifying 2/1 with a false octave corresponding to ~~{{nowrap|~~243/121 ~~~ 99/49}}~~, in a manner similar to [[sensi]]'s relation to [[BPS]].

At its most basic level, '''squares''' can be thought of as a [[2.3.7 subgroup|2.3.7-subgroup]] temperament (sometimes called ''skwares''), generated by a flat [[~]][[9/7]] such that four of them stack to the perfect eleventh, [[8/3]], therefore [[tempering out]] the comma [[19683/19208]]. However, it is more natural to think of the temperament first as [[2.3.7.11 subgroup]], tempering out [[99/98]] so as to identify the generator with [[14/11]] in addition to 9/7 and so that two generators stack to the undecimal neutral sixth, [[18/11]], two of which are then identified with 8/3 due to tempering out [[243/242]]. This can also be thought of as an octavization of the 3.7.11-subgroup [[mintaka]] temperament by identifying [[2/1]] with a false octave corresponding to 99/49~243/121, in a manner similar to [[sensi]]'s relation to [[BPS]].

However, since the fifth in skwares is tuned flat, it is very natural to combine the temperament with [[meantone]] to create full [[11-limit]] ~~'''~~squares~~'''~~, which additionally can be restricted to the [[7-limit]] as the temperament with comma basis [[81/80]] and [[2401/2400]]. ~~The~~ 11-limit temperament is considered below.

However, since the fifth in skwares is tuned flat, it is very natural to combine the temperament with [[meantone]] to create full [[11-limit]] squares, which additionally can be restricted to the [[7-limit]] as the temperament with comma basis [[81/80]] and [[2401/2400]]. This 11-limit temperament is considered below.

There is also a natural extension adding prime 23 by equating the generator to [[23/18]], and so finding 23 itself seven generators down, tempering out [[161~~/160~~]].

There is also a natural extension adding [[prime interval|prime]] [[23/1|23]] by equating the generator to [[23/18]], and so finding 23 itself seven generators down, tempering out [[162/161]].

As for prime 13, the way to map it is less clear. The canonical squares mapping tempers out [[144/143]] in order to equate the tridecimal neutral sixth, [[13/8]], with 18/11, finding 13 two generators up, while '''agora''' tempers out [[105/104]] to equate [[8/7]] with [[15/13]], finding the 13th harmonic 29 generators down. These two mappings are enharmonically equivalent in [[31edo]]. Finally, '''squad''' tempers out [[351/343]] (which is the same as 3.7.11.13 [[~~Mintaka#Extensions of Mintaka|Minalzidar~~]]'s tempering of that prime) so that 13 is equated with (7/3)<sup>3</sup>, and found 15 generators down.

As for prime [[13/1|13]], the way to map it is less clear. The canonical squares mapping tempers out [[144/143]] in order to equate the tridecimal neutral sixth, [[13/8]], with 18/11, finding 13 two generators up, while '''agora''' tempers out [[105/104]] to equate [[8/7]] with [[15/13]], finding the 13th harmonic 29 generators down. These two mappings are enharmonically equivalent in [[31edo]]. Finally, '''squad''' tempers out [[351/343]] (which is the same as 3.7.11.13 [[minalzidar]]'s tempering of that prime) so that 13 is equated with (7/3)<sup>3</sup>, and found 15 generators down.

See [[Meantone family #Squares]] and [[No-fives subgroup temperaments #Skwares]] for more technical data.

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{| class="wikitable center-1 right-2"

|-

! rowspan="3" | &#~~35;~~

! rowspan="3" | #

! rowspan="3" | Cents*

! colspan="4" | Approximate ~~Ratios~~

! colspan="4" | Approximate ratios

|-

! rowspan="2" | 11-limit

! colspan="3" | 13-limit ~~Extension~~

! colspan="3" | 13-limit extensions

|-

! Squares

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* [[Skwares11]]

* [[Skwares14]]

== Tunings ==

{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"

|+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | 7-limit prime-optimized tunings

|-

! rowspan="2" |

! colspan="3" | Euclidean

|-

! Constrained

! Constrained & skewed

! Destretched

|-

! Tenney

| CTE: ~14/9 = 774.3052{{c}}

| CWE: ~14/9 = 774.1560{{c}}

| POTE: ~14/9 = 774.0585{{c}}

|}

{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"

|+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | 11-limit prime-optimized tunings

|-

! rowspan="2" |

! colspan="3" | Euclidean

|-

! Constrained

! Constrained & skewed

! Destretched

|-

! Tenney

| CTE: ~11/7 = 774.4005{{c}}

| CWE: ~11/7 = 774.1754{{c}}

| POTE: ~11/7 = 774.0427{{c}}

|}

== Music ==

* [~~http~~://~~clones~~.~~soonlabel~~.com/~~public/micro/tuning-survey~~/~~daily20100603~~-~~squares8piano.mp3 Square 8] by [[Chris Vaisvil~~]]

; [[Joel Kivelä]]

* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUJOVrLqtdk ~~Optimum Rains~~] by [[~~Joel Kivelä~~]]

* ''Optimum Rains'' (2023) – [https://joelkivela.bandcamp.com/album/optimum-rains Bandcamp] | [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUJOVrLqtdk YouTube]

; [[Chris Vaisvil]]

* [https://web.archive.org/web/20201127015038/http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/tuning-survey/daily20100603-squares8piano.mp3 ''Square 8'']

[[Category:~~Temperaments~~]]

[[Category:Squares| ]]

[[Category:Rank-2 temperaments]]

[[Category:Meantone family]]

[[Category:Nuwell temperaments]]

[[Category:Breedsmic temperaments]]

[[Category:Listen]]

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-At its most basic level, '''skwares''' can be thought of as a [[2.3.7 subgroup]] temperament, generated by a flat [[~]][[9/7]] such that four of them stack to the perfect eleventh, [[8/3]], therefore tempering out the comma [[19683/19208]]. However, it is more natural to think of the temperament first as [[2.3.7.11 subgroup]], tempering out [[99/98]] so as to identify the generator with [[14/11]] in addition to 9/7 and so that two generators stack to the undecimal neutral sixth, [[18/11]], two of which are then identified with 8/3 due to tempering out [[243/242]]. This can also be thought of as an octavization of the [[3/1|tritave]]-equivalent 3.7.11 [[Mintaka]] temperament by identifying 2/1 with a false octave corresponding to {{nowrap|243/121 ~ 99/49}}, in a manner similar to [[sensi]]'s relation to [[BPS]].
+At its most basic level, '''squares''' can be thought of as a [[2.3.7 subgroup|2.3.7-subgroup]] temperament (sometimes called ''skwares''), generated by a flat [[~]][[9/7]] such that four of them stack to the perfect eleventh, [[8/3]], therefore [[tempering out]] the comma [[19683/19208]]. However, it is more natural to think of the temperament first as [[2.3.7.11 subgroup]], tempering out [[99/98]] so as to identify the generator with [[14/11]] in addition to 9/7 and so that two generators stack to the undecimal neutral sixth, [[18/11]], two of which are then identified with 8/3 due to tempering out [[243/242]]. This can also be thought of as an octavization of the 3.7.11-subgroup [[mintaka]] temperament by identifying [[2/1]] with a false octave corresponding to 99/49~243/121, in a manner similar to [[sensi]]'s relation to [[BPS]].
-However, since the fifth in skwares is tuned flat, it is very natural to combine the temperament with [[meantone]] to create full [[11-limit]] '''squares''', which additionally can be restricted to the [[7-limit]] as the temperament with comma basis [[81/80]] and [[2401/2400]]. The 11-limit temperament is considered below.
+However, since the fifth in skwares is tuned flat, it is very natural to combine the temperament with [[meantone]] to create full [[11-limit]] squares, which additionally can be restricted to the [[7-limit]] as the temperament with comma basis [[81/80]] and [[2401/2400]]. This 11-limit temperament is considered below.
-There is also a natural extension adding prime 23 by equating the generator to [[23/18]], and so finding 23 itself seven generators down, tempering out [[161/160]].
+There is also a natural extension adding [[prime interval|prime]] [[23/1|23]] by equating the generator to [[23/18]], and so finding 23 itself seven generators down, tempering out [[162/161]].
-As for prime 13, the way to map it is less clear. The canonical squares mapping tempers out [[144/143]] in order to equate the tridecimal neutral sixth, [[13/8]], with 18/11, finding 13 two generators up, while '''agora''' tempers out [[105/104]] to equate [[8/7]] with [[15/13]], finding the 13th harmonic 29 generators down. These two mappings are enharmonically equivalent in [[31edo]]. Finally, '''squad''' tempers out [[351/343]] (which is the same as 3.7.11.13 [[Mintaka#Extensions of Mintaka|Minalzidar]]'s tempering of that prime) so that 13 is equated with (7/3)<sup>3</sup>, and found 15 generators down.
+As for prime [[13/1|13]], the way to map it is less clear. The canonical squares mapping tempers out [[144/143]] in order to equate the tridecimal neutral sixth, [[13/8]], with 18/11, finding 13 two generators up, while '''agora''' tempers out [[105/104]] to equate [[8/7]] with [[15/13]], finding the 13th harmonic 29 generators down. These two mappings are enharmonically equivalent in [[31edo]]. Finally, '''squad''' tempers out [[351/343]] (which is the same as 3.7.11.13 [[minalzidar]]'s tempering of that prime) so that 13 is equated with (7/3)<sup>3</sup>, and found 15 generators down.
 See [[Meantone family #Squares]] and [[No-fives subgroup temperaments #Skwares]] for more technical data.
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 {| class="wikitable center-1 right-2"
 |-
-! rowspan="3" | &#35;
+! rowspan="3" | #
 ! rowspan="3" | Cents*
-! colspan="4" | Approximate Ratios
+! colspan="4" | Approximate ratios
 |-
 ! rowspan="2" | 11-limit
-! colspan="3" | 13-limit Extension
+! colspan="3" | 13-limit extensions
 |-
 ! Squares
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 * [[Skwares11]]
 * [[Skwares14]]
+== Tunings ==
+{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"
+|+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | 7-limit prime-optimized tunings
+|-
+! rowspan="2" |
+! colspan="3" | Euclidean
+|-
+! Constrained
+! Constrained & skewed
+! Destretched
+|-
+! Tenney
+| CTE: ~14/9 = 774.3052{{c}}
+| CWE: ~14/9 = 774.1560{{c}}
+| POTE: ~14/9 = 774.0585{{c}}
+|}
+{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"
+|+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | 11-limit prime-optimized tunings
+|-
+! rowspan="2" |
+! colspan="3" | Euclidean
+|-
+! Constrained
+! Constrained & skewed
+! Destretched
+|-
+! Tenney
+| CTE: ~11/7 = 774.4005{{c}}
+| CWE: ~11/7 = 774.1754{{c}}
+| POTE: ~11/7 = 774.0427{{c}}
+|}
 == Music ==
-* [http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/tuning-survey/daily20100603-squares8piano.mp3 Square 8] by [[Chris Vaisvil]]
+; [[Joel Kivelä]]
-* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUJOVrLqtdk Optimum Rains] by [[Joel Kivelä]]
+* ''Optimum Rains'' (2023) – [https://joelkivela.bandcamp.com/album/optimum-rains Bandcamp] | [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUJOVrLqtdk YouTube]
+; [[Chris Vaisvil]]
+* [https://web.archive.org/web/20201127015038/http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/tuning-survey/daily20100603-squares8piano.mp3 ''Square 8'']
-[[Category:Temperaments]]
+[[Category:Squares| ]] <!-- main article -->
+[[Category:Rank-2 temperaments]]
 [[Category:Meantone family]]
 [[Category:Nuwell temperaments]]
 [[Category:Breedsmic temperaments]]
 [[Category:Listen]]