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A particular anecdote with this system was made in the ''Teliochordon'', in 1788 by {{w|Charles Clagget}} (Ireland, 1740?–1820), a little extract [http://ml.oxfordjournals.org/content/76/2/291.extract.jpg here]. | A particular anecdote with this system was made in the ''Teliochordon'', in 1788 by {{w|Charles Clagget}} (Ireland, 1740?–1820), a little extract [http://ml.oxfordjournals.org/content/76/2/291.extract.jpg here]. | ||
As a [[superpyth]] system, 39edo is intermediate between [[17edo]] and [[22edo]] {{nowrap|(39 {{=}} 17 + 22)}}. The specific 7-limit variant supported by 39et is [[quasisuper]]. While 17edo is superb for melody (as documented by [[George Secor]]), it does not approximate the 5th harmonic at all and only poorly approximates the 7th. 22edo is much better for 5-limit and 7-limit harmony but is less effective for melody because the [[diatonic semitone]] is [[quartertone]]-sized, which results in a very strange-sounding [[5L 2s|diatonic scale]]. 39edo offers a compromise, since it still supports good 5- and 7-limit harmonies (though less close than 22edo), while at the same time having a diatonic semitone of 61.5 cents, as the ideal diatonic semitone for melody is somewhere in between 60 and 80 cents, i.e. a third tone, by Secor's estimates. | As a [[superpyth]] system, 39edo is intermediate between [[17edo]] and [[22edo]] {{nowrap|(39 {{=}} 17 + 22)}}; its fifth thus falls in the "shrub region" where the diatonic thirds are between standard neogothic thirds and septimal thirds. The specific 7-limit variant supported by 39et is [[quasisuper]]. While 17edo is superb for melody (as documented by [[George Secor]]), it does not approximate the 5th harmonic at all and only poorly approximates the 7th. 22edo is much better for 5-limit and 7-limit harmony but is less effective for melody because the [[diatonic semitone]] is [[quartertone]]-sized, which results in a very strange-sounding [[5L 2s|diatonic scale]]. 39edo offers a compromise, since it still supports good 5- and 7-limit harmonies (though less close than 22edo), while at the same time having a diatonic semitone of 61.5 cents, as the ideal diatonic semitone for melody is somewhere in between 60 and 80 cents, i.e. a third tone, by Secor's estimates. | ||
Alternatively, if we take 22\39 as a fifth, 39edo can be used as a tuning of [[mavila]], and from that point of view it seems to have attracted the attention of the [[Armodue]] school, an Italian group that use the scheme of [[7L 2s|superdiatonic]] LLLsLLLLs like a base scale for notation and theory, suited in [[16edo]], and allied systems: [[25edo]] [1/3-tone 3;2]; [[41edo]] [1/5-tone 5;3]; and [[57edo]] [1/7-tone 7;4]. The [[hornbostel]] temperament is included too with: [[23edo]] [1/3-tone 3;1]; 39edo [1/5-tone 5;2] & [[62edo]] [1/8-tone 8;3]. The mavila fifth in 39edo like all mavila fifths is very, very flat, in this case, 25{{c}} flat. | Alternatively, if we take 22\39 as a fifth, 39edo can be used as a tuning of [[mavila]], and from that point of view it seems to have attracted the attention of the [[Armodue]] school, an Italian group that use the scheme of [[7L 2s|superdiatonic]] LLLsLLLLs like a base scale for notation and theory, suited in [[16edo]], and allied systems: [[25edo]] [1/3-tone 3;2]; [[41edo]] [1/5-tone 5;3]; and [[57edo]] [1/7-tone 7;4]. The [[hornbostel]] temperament is included too with: [[23edo]] [1/3-tone 3;1]; 39edo [1/5-tone 5;2] & [[62edo]] [1/8-tone 8;3]. The mavila fifth in 39edo like all mavila fifths is very, very flat, in this case, 25{{c}} flat. | ||
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=== Octave stretch === | === Octave stretch === | ||
39edo's approximations of harmonics 3, 5, 7, and 11 can all be improved by slightly [[octave shrinking|compressing the octave]], using tunings such as [[62edt]] or [[101ed6]]. [[ | 39edo's approximations of harmonics 3, 5, 7, and 11 can all be improved by slightly [[octave shrinking|compressing the octave]], using tunings such as [[62edt]] or [[101ed6]]. [[equal tuning|18ed11/8]], a heavily compressed version of 39edo where the harmonics 13 and 17 are brought to tune at the cost of a worse 11, is also a possible choice. | ||
There are also some nearby [[zeta peak index]] (ZPI) tunings which can be used for this same purpose: 171zpi, 172zpi and 173zpi. The main zeta peak index page details all three tunings. | There are also some nearby [[zeta peak index]] (ZPI) tunings which can be used for this same purpose: 171zpi, 172zpi and 173zpi. The main zeta peak index page details all three tunings. | ||
=== Subsets and supersets === | === Subsets and supersets === | ||
Since 39 factors into {{nowrap| 3 × 13 }}, 39edo contains [[3edo]] and [[13edo]] as subsets. | Since 39 factors into {{nowrap| 3 × 13 }}, 39edo contains [[3edo]] and [[13edo]] as subsets. Multiplying 39edo by 2 yields [[78edo]], which corrects several harmonics. | ||
== Intervals == | == Intervals == | ||
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| 2/1 | | 2/1 | ||
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=== Other === | === Other === | ||
39edo offers approximations of [[pelog]] and [[mavila]] using the flat fifth as a generator. | 39edo offers approximations of [[pelog]] and [[mavila]] using the flat fifth as a generator. Pelog can also be approximated as 4 5 13 4 13. | ||
It also offers ''many'' possible [[pentatonic]] scales, including the [[2L 3s]] mos (which is 9 7 7 9 7). [[Slendro]] can be approximated using that scale or using something like the [[quasi-equal]] 8 8 8 8 7 or 8 8 7 8 8. | |||
One expressive [[pentatonic]] scale is the oneirotonic subset 9 6 9 9 6. | |||
Many Asian{{clarify|which ones specifically}} and [[African music|African]] {{clarify|which ones specifically}} musical styles can thus be accommodated. | |||
== Instruments == | == Instruments == | ||
=== Lumatone mapping === | |||
See [[Lumatone mapping for 39edo]] | |||
=== Skip fretting === | |||
'''Skip fretting system 39 2 5''' is a [[skip-fretting]] system for [[39edo]]. All examples on this page are for 7-string [[Guitar|guitar.]] | |||
; Prime harmonics | |||
1/1: string 2 open | |||
2/1: string 5 fret 12 and string 7 fret 7 | |||
3/2: string 3 fret 9 and string 5 fret 4 | |||
5/4: string 1 fret 9 and string 3 fret 4 | |||
7/4: string 5 fret 8 and string 7 fret 3 | |||
11/8: string 2 fret 9 and string 4 fret 4 | |||
=== Prototypes === | === Prototypes === | ||
[[File:TECLADO_39-EDD.PNG|alt=TECLADO 39-EDD.PNG|800x467px|TECLADO 39-EDD.PNG]] | [[File:TECLADO_39-EDD.PNG|alt=TECLADO 39-EDD.PNG|800x467px|TECLADO 39-EDD.PNG]] | ||
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''39edo fretboard visualization'' | ''39edo fretboard visualization'' | ||
== | == Music == | ||
; [[Bryan Deister]] | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oeFI957W-xg ''39edo''] (2023) | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLRaG_pBN7k ''39edo jam''] (2025) | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4y11CWLIHNA ''Sinner's Finale - Genshin Impact (microtonal cover in 39edo)''] (2025) | |||
; [[Randy Wells]] | ; [[Randy Wells]] | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9wQV1J5eLE ''Romance On Other Planets''] (2021) | * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9wQV1J5eLE ''Romance On Other Planets''] (2021) | ||
[[Category:Listen]] | [[Category:Listen]] | ||