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== Theory == | == Theory == | ||
87edo is solid as both a [[13-limit]] (or [[15-odd-limit]]) and as a [[5-limit]] system, and does well enough in any limit in between. It is the smallest edo that is [[distinctly consistent]] in the [[13-odd-limit]] [[tonality diamond]], the smallest edo that is [[purely consistent]]{{idiosyncratic}} in the [[15-odd-limit]] ( | 87edo is solid as both a [[13-limit]] (or [[15-odd-limit]]) and as a [[5-limit]] system, and does well enough in any limit in between. It is the smallest edo that is [[distinctly consistent]] in the [[13-odd-limit]] [[tonality diamond]], and the smallest edo that is [[purely consistent]]{{idiosyncratic}} in the [[15-odd-limit]] (maintains [[relative interval error]]s of no greater than 25% on all of the first 16 [[harmonic]]s of the [[harmonic series]]). It is also a [[zeta peak integer edo]]. Since {{nowrap|87 {{=}} 3 × 29}}, 87edo shares the same perfect fifth with [[29edo]]. | ||
87edo also shows some potential in limits beyond 13. The next four prime harmonics [[17/1|17]], [[19/1|19]], [[23/1|23]] and [[29/1|29]] are all near-critically sharp, but the feature of it is that the overtones and undertones are distinct, and most intervals are usable as long as they do not combine with [[7/1|7]], which is flat. Actually, as a no-sevens system, it is consistent in the 33-odd-limit. | 87edo also shows some potential in limits beyond 13. The next four prime harmonics [[17/1|17]], [[19/1|19]], [[23/1|23]], and [[29/1|29]] are all near-critically sharp, but the feature of it is that the overtones and undertones are distinct, and most intervals are usable as long as they do not combine with [[7/1|7]], which is flat. Actually, as a no-sevens system, it is consistent in the 33-odd-limit. | ||
It [[tempering out|tempers out]] 15625/15552 ([[15625/15552|kleisma]]), {{monzo| 26 -12 -3 }} ([[misty comma]]), and {{monzo| 46 -29 }} ([[29-comma]]) in the 5-limit, in addition to [[245/243]], [[1029/1024]], [[3136/3125]], and [[5120/5103]] in the 7-limit. In the 13-limit, notably [[196/195]], [[325/324]], [[352/351]], [[364/363]], [[385/384]], [[441/440]], [[625/624]], [[676/675]], and [[1001/1000]]. | |||
87edo is a particularly good tuning for [[rodan]], the {{nowrap|41 & | 87edo is a particularly good tuning for [[rodan]], the {{nowrap|41 & 46}} temperament. The 8/7 generator of 17\87 is a remarkable 0.00061{{c}} sharper than the 13-limit [[CWE tuning|CWE generator]]. Also, the 32\87 generator for [[Kleismic family #Clyde|clyde temperament]] is 0.01479{{c}} sharp of the 13-limit CWE generator. | ||
=== Prime harmonics === | === Prime harmonics === | ||
In higher limits it excels as a [[subgroup]] temperament, especially as an incomplete 71-limit temperament with [[128/127]] and [[129/128]] (the subharmonic and harmonic hemicomma-sized intervals, respectively) mapped accurately to a single step. Generalizing a single step of 87edo harmonically yields harmonics 115 through 138, which when detempered is the beginning of the construction of [[Ringer scale|Ringer]] 87, thus tempering [[ | In higher limits it excels as a [[subgroup]] temperament, especially as an incomplete 71-limit temperament with [[128/127]] and [[129/128]] (the subharmonic and harmonic hemicomma-sized intervals, respectively) mapped accurately to a single step. Generalizing a single step of 87edo harmonically yields harmonics 115 through 138, which when detempered is the beginning of the construction of [[Ringer scale|Ringer]] 87, thus tempering [[S-expression|S116 through S137]] by patent val and corresponding to the gravity of the fact that 87edo is a circle of [[126/125]]'s, meaning ([[126/125]])<sup>87</sup> only very slightly exceeds the octave. | ||
{{Harmonics in equal|87|columns=12}} | {{Harmonics in equal|87|columns=12}} | ||
{{Harmonics in equal|87|columns=12|start=13|collapsed=1|title=Approximation of prime harmonics in 87edo (continued)}} | {{Harmonics in equal|87|columns=12|start=13|collapsed=1|title=Approximation of prime harmonics in 87edo (continued)}} | ||
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=== Subsets and supersets === | === Subsets and supersets === | ||
87edo contains [[3edo]] and [[29edo]] as subset edos. | 87edo contains [[3edo]] and [[29edo]] as subset edos. | ||
[[348edo]], which slices the edostep in four, provides a good correction of the 7th harmonic. Multiples like [[696edo]] and [[783edo]] are also of theoretical interest. | |||
One step of 87edo is ''extremely'' close to [[126/125]], with the associated comma, 87-126/125-comma ({{monzo|86 174 -261 87}}) being tempered in equal temperaments well over 100,000 and with less than 0.001{{c}} error, with the [[optimal patent val]] for the 7-limit temperament being an enormous [[425082edo]]. But more notably, 87edo itself does the mapping consistently, making it a true circle of 126/125's. | |||
See also [[87th-octave temperaments]]. | |||
== Intervals == | == Intervals == | ||
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== Notation == | |||
=== Ups and downs notation === | |||
87edo can be written using [[Kite's ups and downs notation]]. Note that quudsharp (quadruple-down sharp) is equivalent to quip (quintuple-up) and that quupflat (quadruple-up flat) is equivalent to quid (quintuple-down): | |||
{{Ups and downs sharpness}} | |||
Mapping an arrow to 2\87 rather than 1\87 is an alternative approach which takes advantage of 87edo being a tuning of akea temperament. This way, one arrow is equivalent to 81/80~64/63, and two arrows are equivalent to 33/32~1053/1024. | |||
== Approximation to JI == | == Approximation to JI == | ||
=== Interval mappings === | === Interval mappings === | ||
{{Q-odd-limit intervals|87}} | {{Q-odd-limit intervals|87}} | ||
== Regular temperament properties == | == Regular temperament properties == | ||
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| 2.3.5 | | 2.3.5 | ||
| 15625/15552, 67108864/66430125 | | 15625/15552, 67108864/66430125 | ||
| {{ | | {{Mapping| 87 138 202 }} | ||
| −0.299 | | −0.299 | ||
| 0.455 | | 0.455 | ||
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| 2.3.5.7 | | 2.3.5.7 | ||
| 245/243, 1029/1024, 3136/3125 | | 245/243, 1029/1024, 3136/3125 | ||
| {{ | | {{Mapping| 87 138 202 244 }} | ||
| +0.070 | | +0.070 | ||
| 0.752 | | 0.752 | ||
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| 2.3.5.7.11 | | 2.3.5.7.11 | ||
| 245/243, 385/384, 441/440, 3136/3125 | | 245/243, 385/384, 441/440, 3136/3125 | ||
| {{ | | {{Mapping| 87 138 202 244 301 }} | ||
| +0.033 | | +0.033 | ||
| 0.676 | | 0.676 | ||
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| 2.3.5.7.11.13 | | 2.3.5.7.11.13 | ||
| 196/195, 245/243, 352/351, 364/363, 625/624 | | 196/195, 245/243, 352/351, 364/363, 625/624 | ||
| {{ | | {{Mapping| 87 138 202 244 301 322 }} | ||
| −0.011 | | −0.011 | ||
| 0.625 | | 0.625 | ||
| Line 424: | Line 404: | ||
| 2.3.5.7.11.13.17 | | 2.3.5.7.11.13.17 | ||
| 154/153, 196/195, 245/243, 273/272, 364/363, 375/374 | | 154/153, 196/195, 245/243, 273/272, 364/363, 375/374 | ||
| {{ | | {{Mapping| 87 138 202 244 301 322 356 }} | ||
| −0.198 | | −0.198 | ||
| 0.738 | | 0.738 | ||
| Line 431: | Line 411: | ||
| 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19 | | 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19 | ||
| 154/153, 196/195, 210/209, 245/243, 273/272, 286/285, 364/363 | | 154/153, 196/195, 210/209, 245/243, 273/272, 286/285, 364/363 | ||
| {{ | | {{Mapping| 87 138 202 244 301 322 356 370 }} | ||
| −0.348 | | −0.348 | ||
| 0.796 | | 0.796 | ||
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| [[Mystery]] | | [[Mystery]] | ||
|} | |} | ||
<nowiki/>* [[Normal | <nowiki/>* [[Normal forms #Equave-reduced-generator form|Octave-reduced form]], reduced to the first half-octave, and [[normal forms #Minimal-generator form|minimal form]] in parentheses if distinct | ||
87 can serve as a mos in these: | 87 can serve as a mos in these: | ||
* [[Avicenna (temperament)|Avicenna]] ([[Breed|87 & 270]]) | * [[Avicenna (temperament)|Avicenna]] ([[Breed|87 & 270]]) | ||
* [[Breed|87 & 494]] | * [[Breed|87 & 494]] | ||
== Scales == | == Scales == | ||
=== | === Harmonic scales === | ||
{ | 87edo very accurately approximates [[Overtone scale|modes]] up to 8 of the [[harmonic series]], and the only interval pair not distinct is 14/13 and 15/14. It can also do mode 12 decently. | ||
==== (Mode 6) ==== | |||
{| class="wikitable center-all" | |||
|- | |||
! Overtones | |||
| 12 | |||
| 14 | |||
| 16 | |||
| 18 | |||
| 20 | |||
| 22 | |||
| 24 | |||
|- | |||
! JI Ratios | |||
| 1/1 | |||
| 7/6 | |||
| 4/3 | |||
| 3/2 | |||
| 5/3 | |||
| 11/6 | |||
| 2/1 | |||
|- | |||
! … in cents | |||
| 0.0 | |||
| 266.9 | |||
| 498.0 | |||
| 702.0 | |||
| 884.4 | |||
| 1049.4 | |||
| 1200.0 | |||
|- | |||
! Degrees in 87edo | |||
| 0 | |||
| 19 | |||
| 36 | |||
| 51 | |||
| 64 | |||
| 76 | |||
| 87 | |||
|- | |||
! … in cents | |||
| 0.0 | |||
| 262.1 | |||
| 496.6 | |||
| 703.4 | |||
| 882.8 | |||
| 1048.3 | |||
| 1200.0 | |||
|} | |||
The scale in adjacent steps is '''19 17 15 13 12 11'''. | |||
==== (Mode 8) ==== | ==== (Mode 8) ==== | ||
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|} | |} | ||
The scale in adjacent steps is '''15 13 12 11 10 9 9 8'''. | |||
==== (Mode 12) ==== | ==== (Mode 12) ==== | ||
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|} | |} | ||
The scale in adjacent steps is '''10 9 9 8 7 7 6 6 6 6 5'''. | |||
13, 15, 16, 18, 20, and 22 are close matches. | |||
14 and 21 are flat; 17, 19, and 23 are sharp. Still decent all things considered. | |||
=== Mos scales === | |||
{{main|List of MOS scales in 87edo}} | |||
* [[Kleismic]][7]: 5 18 5 18 5 18 18 | |||
* Kleismic[15]: 5 8 5 5 5 8 5 5 5 8 5 5 5 8 5 | |||
* Kleismic[19]: 5 5 3 5 5 5 5 3 5 5 5 3 5 5 5 5 3 5 5 | |||
* Kleismic[34]: 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 | |||
* [[Misty]][6]: 22 7 22 7 22 7 | |||
* Misty[12]: 7 8 7 7 7 8 7 7 7 8 7 7 | |||
* Misty[15]: 7 7 1 7 7 7 7 1 7 7 7 7 1 7 7 | |||
* Misty[27]: 1 6 1 6 1 6 1 6 1 1 6 1 6 1 6 1 6 1 1 6 1 6 1 6 1 6 1 | |||
* Misty[39]: 1 5 1 1 5 1 1 1 5 1 1 5 1 1 5 1 1 5 1 1 1 5 1 1 5 1 1 5 1 1 5 1 1 1 5 1 1 5 1 | |||
* [[Luna]][6]: 17 14 14 14 14 14 | |||
* Luna[13]: 3 11 3 11 3 11 3 11 3 11 3 11 3 | |||
* Luna[19]: 3 8 3 3 8 3 3 8 3 3 3 8 3 3 8 3 3 8 3 | |||
* Luna[25]: 3 3 5 3 3 3 5 3 3 3 5 3 3 3 5 3 3 3 5 3 3 3 5 3 3 | |||
* Luna[31]: 3 3 2 3 3 3 3 2 3 3 3 3 2 3 3 3 3 3 2 3 3 3 3 2 3 3 3 3 2 3 3 | |||
* Luna[56]: 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 | |||
* [[Rodan]][5]: 17 17 17 17 19 | |||
* Rodan[11]: 2 15 2 15 2 15 2 15 2 15 2 | |||
* Rodan[16]: 2 13 2 2 13 2 2 2 13 2 2 13 2 2 13 2 | |||
* Rodan[21]: 2 2 11 2 2 2 11 2 2 2 11 2 2 2 11 2 2 2 11 2 2 | |||
* Rodan[36]: 2 2 2 5 2 2 2 2 2 2 5 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 5 2 2 2 2 2 2 5 2 2 2 2 2 2 5 2 2 2 | |||
* Rodan[41]: 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 | |||
=== Other scales === | === Other scales === | ||
* [[Sequar5m]] | * [[Sequar5m]] | ||
== Instruments == | |||
* [[Lumatone mapping for 87edo]] | |||
* [[Skip fretting system 87 2 17]] | |||
== Music == | == Music == | ||
=== Modern renderings === | |||
; {{W|Stomach Book}} | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rINJKiMQE78 ''Circuit Bent''] (2024) – microtonal cover in 87edo by [[Bryan Deister]] (2025) | |||
=== 21st century === | |||
; [[ALLY195]] | |||
* [https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV16h411g7QM/ ''Root note and subharmonic series cadence – 103EDO, 87EDO, 94EDO''] (2023) | |||
* [https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1N84y1T792/ ''A comparison between 87edo and 12edo''] (2023) | |||
; [[Bryan Deister]] | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ecxELXmkYAs ''microtonal improvisation in 87edo''] (2025) | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5OH9OOGeuX4 ''87edo waltz''] (2025) | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8mHBYBfRjy4 ''87edo improv''] (2026-07-11) | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wHPyCHQn55A ''87edo improv''] (2026-09-28) | |||
; [[Gene Ward Smith]] | ; [[Gene Ward Smith]] | ||
* ''Pianodactyl'' (archived 2010) – [https://soundcloud.com/genewardsmith/pianodactyl SoundCloud] | [http://www.archive.org/details/Pianodactyl detail] | [http://www.archive.org/download/Pianodactyl/pianodactyl.mp3 play] – rodan[26] in 87edo tuning | * ''Pianodactyl'' (archived 2010) – [https://soundcloud.com/genewardsmith/pianodactyl SoundCloud] | [http://www.archive.org/details/Pianodactyl detail] | [http://www.archive.org/download/Pianodactyl/pianodactyl.mp3 play] – rodan[26] in 87edo tuning | ||
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