Diaschismic family: Difference between revisions

Sintel (talk | contribs)
Use simpler commas to explain extensions
m Text replacement - "Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| " to "{{Mapping|legend=2| "
 
(79 intermediate revisions by 12 users not shown)
Line 1: Line 1:
The 5-limit parent comma for the '''diaschismic family''' is 2048/2025, the [[diaschisma]]. Its monzo is {{monzo| 11 -4 -2 }}, and flipping that yields {{multival| 2 -4 -11 }} for the wedgie for 5-limit '''diaschismic''', or '''srutal''', temperament. This tells us the period is half an octave, the [[Wikipedia: Greatest common divisor|GCD]] of 2 and -4, and that the generator is a fifth. Three periods gives 1800 cents, and decreasing this by two fifths gives the major third. [[34edo]] is a good tuning choice, with [[46edo]], [[56edo]], [[58edo]] or [[80edo]] being other possibilities. Both [[12edo]] and [[22edo]] support it, and retuning them to a MOS of diaschismic gives two scale possibilities.
{{Technical data page}}
The '''diaschismic family''' of [[regular temperament|temperaments]] [[tempering out|tempers out]] the diaschisma, [[2048/2025]].  
 
== Diaschismic ==
{{Main| Diaschismic }}
 
The [[period]] of diaschismic is half an [[octave]], and the [[generator]] is a fifth; the [[ploidacot]] is diploid monocot. Three periods gives 1800 cents, and decreasing this by two fifths gives the major third. [[34edo]] is a good tuning choice, with [[46edo]], [[56edo]], [[58edo]], or [[80edo]] being other possibilities. Both [[12edo]] and [[22edo]] support it, and retuning them to a [[mos]] of diaschismic gives two scale possibilities.
 
This temperament is also known as '''srutal''' in the 5-limit, but that name more strictly speaking refers to the [[#Srutal|34d & 46 extension]] to the [[7-limit]] that adds [[4375/4374]] to the comma list.


== Srutal aka diaschismic ==
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5


Line 7: Line 14:


{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 0 11 | 0 1 -2 }}
{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 0 11 | 0 1 -2 }}
: mapping generators: ~45/32, ~3
: mapping generators: ~45/32, ~3


[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 704.898
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~45/32 = 599.4107{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.2059{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| -1.179 +1.072 +1.150 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.9585{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +3.003 +3.769 }}


[[Tuning ranges]]:  
[[Tuning ranges]]:  
* 5-odd-limit [[diamond monotone]]: ~3/2 = [600.000 to 720.000] (1\2 to 6\10)
* [[5-odd-limit]] [[diamond monotone]]: ~3/2 = [600.000 to 720.000] (1\2 to 6\10)
* 5-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~3/2 = [701.955, 706.843]
* 5-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~3/2 = [701.955, 706.843]
* 5-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~3/2 = [701.955, 706.843]


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 12, 22, 34, 46, 80, 206c, 286bc }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 12, 22, 34, 46, 80, 206c, 286bc }}


[[Badness]]: 0.019915
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.467


=== Overview to extensions ===
=== Overview to extensions ===
==== 7-limit extensions ====
==== 7-limit extensions ====
To get the 7-limit extensions, we add another comma:
To get the 7-limit extensions, we add another comma:
 
* Septimal diaschismic adds [[126/125]], the starling comma, to obtain 7-limit harmony by more complex methods than pajara, but with greater accuracy.
* Pajara derives from [[64/63]] and is a popular and well-known choice.
* Pajara adds [[50/49]] or [[64/63]] and is a popular and well-known choice.  
* Diaschismic adds [[126/125]], the starling comma, to obtain 7-limit harmony by more complex methods, but with greater accuracy.  
* Srutal adds [[4375/4374]], the ragisma, which is about as accurate as septimal diaschismic but has a much more complex mapping of 7.  
* Srutal adds [[4375/4374]], the ragisma. It does no significant tuning damage, so we keep the 5-limit label srutal.  
* Keen adds [[875/864]].  
* Keen adds [[875/864]].  
* Bidia adds [[3136/3125]], the hemimean comma.
* Echidna adds [[1728/1715]], the orwellisma.
* Shrutar adds [[245/243]], the sensamagic comma.


Pajara, diaschismic, srutal and keen keep the same half-octave period and fifth generator, but shrutar has a generator of a quarter-tone (which can be taken as [[36/35]], the septimal quarter-tone) and echidna has a generator of 9/7. Bidia has a quarter-octave period and a fifth generator.
Those all keep the same half-octave period and fifth generator.  


==== Subgroup extensions ====
Bidia adds [[3136/3125]], the hemimean comma, with a 1/4-octave period. Shrutar adds [[245/243]] and shru adds [[392/375]], with a quartertone generator. Sruti adds [[19683/19600]] and anguirus adds [[49/48]], with a neutral third or hemitwelfth generator. Those split the original generator in two. Echidna adds [[1728/1715]], the orwellisma, with a ~9/7 generator. Echidnic adds [[686/675]], the senga, with a ~8/7 generator. Those split the original generator in three. Finally, quadrasruta adds [[2401/2400]] and splits the original generator in four.  
Since the diaschisma factors into ([[256/255]])<sup>2</sup>([[289/288]]) in the 17-limit, it extends naturally to the 2.3.5.17 subgroup, resulting in ''srutal archagall''.  


=== Srutal archagall ===
Temperaments discussed elsewhere include [[stearnsmic clan #Echidna|echidna]]. The rest are considered below.  
Subgroup: 2.3.5.17


Comma list: 136/135, 256/255
==== Subgroup extensions ====
Since the diaschisma factors into ([[256/255]])<sup>2</sup>([[289/288]]) in the 17-limit, it extends naturally to the 2.3.5.17 subgroup as ''srutal archagall'', considered in [[#Subgroup extensions_2|#Subgroup extensions]]. The [[S-expression]]-based comma list of this temperament is {[[256/255|S16]], [[289/288|S17]]}.


Sval mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 5 | 0 1 -2 1 }}
More generally, one may note that since the fifth of diaschismic is sharp in any good tuning, it is compatible with the logic of [[parapyth]] in making ~13/11 a minor third and ~14/11 a major third, leading to the rank-3 temperament [[varda]], which multiple temps here are rank-2 tunings of, such as 17-limit diaschismic and srutal (and their obvious extensions to prime 23, na"naa' and srutaloo, both by mapping ~23/16 as an augmented fourth aka. tritone).


Optimal tuning (CTE): ~17/12 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 705.1272
== Septimal diaschismic ==
 
{{Main| Diaschismic }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 12, 22, 34, 80, 114, 194bc }}
{{See also| Srutal vs diaschismic }}


Badness: 0.00575
A simpler characterization than the one given by the normal comma list is that septimal diaschismic adds [[126/125]] or [[5120/5103]] to the set of commas, and it can also be called {{nowrap| 46 & 58 }}. However described, septimal diaschismic has a 1/2-octave period and a sharp fifth generator like the 5-limit version, but not so sharp, giving a more accurate but more complex temperament. [[104edo]] with the 104c [[val]] provides an excellent tuning, which is close to tuning [[7/4]] just by making the fifth 703.897 cents.  


== Srutal ==
Diaschismic extends naturally to the 17-limit, for which the same tunings may be used, making it one of the most important of the higher-limit rank-2 temperaments. Adding the 11-limit adds the commas 176/175, 896/891 and 441/440. The 13-limit yields 196/195, 351/350, and 364/363; the 17-limit adds 136/135, 221/220, and 442/441. This mapping can also be rationalized by [[parapyth]], which makes sense due to the sharp fifth, and prime 17 is found as in srutal archagall. If you want to explore higher-limit harmonies, diaschismic is certainly one excellent way to do it; [[mos]] scales of 34 notes and even more the 46-note mos will encompass very great deal of it. Of course 46 or 58 equal provide alternatives which in many ways are similar, particularly in the case of 58.
{{See also| Srutal vs diaschismic }}


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 2048/2025, 4375/4374
[[Comma list]]: 126/125, 2048/2025


{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 0 11 -42 | 0 1 -2 15 }}
{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 0 11 31 | 0 1 -2 -8 }}
 
{{Multival|legend=1| 2 -4 30 -11 42 81 }}


[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 704.814
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~45/32 = 599.4449{{c}}, ~3/2 = 703.0299{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| -1.110 -0.035 +3.740 -1.391 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 703.7739{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +1.819 +6.138 +0.983 }}


[[Tuning ranges]]:  
[[Tuning ranges]]:  
* 7- and 9-odd-limit [[diamond monotone]]: ~3/2 = [703.448, 705.882] (34\58 to 20\34)
* 7- and 9-odd-limit [[diamond monotone]]: ~3/2 = [700.000, 705.882] (7\12 to 20\34)
* 7- and 9-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~3/2 = [701.955, 706.843]
* 7- and 9-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~3/2 = [701.955, 706.843]
* 7- and 9-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~3/2 = [703.448, 705.882]


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 46, 80, 126, 206cd, 332bcd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, 34, 46, 58, 104c, 162c }}


[[Badness]]: 0.091504
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.959


=== 11-limit ===
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Comma list: 176/175, 896/891, 1331/1323
Comma list: 126/125, 176/175, 896/891


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 -42 -28 | 0 1 -2 15 11 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 31 45 | 0 1 -2 -8 -12 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 704.856
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~45/32 = 599.4471{{c}}, ~3/2 = 703.0657{{c}}
* CWE: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 703.7996{{c}}


Tuning ranges:  
Tuning ranges:  
* 11-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~3/2 = [704.348, 705.882] (27\46 to 20\34)
* 11-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~3/2 = [700.000, 704.348] (7\12 to 27\46)
* 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~3/2 = [701.955, 706.843]
* 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~3/2 = [701.955, 706.843]
* 11-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~3/2 = [704.348, 705.882]


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 46, 80, 126, 206cd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12, 34e, 46, 58, 104c, 162ce }}


Badness: 0.035315
Badness (Sintel): 0.828


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Comma list: 169/168, 176/175, 325/324, 364/363
Comma list: 126/125, 176/175, 196/195, 364/363


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 -42 -28 -18 | 0 1 -2 15 11 8 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 31 45 55 | 0 1 -2 -8 -12 -15 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 704.881
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~45/32 = 599.4451{{c}}, ~3/2 = 703.0528{{c}}
* CWE: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 703.7813{{c}}


Tuning ranges:  
Tuning ranges:  
* 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~3/2 = [704.348, 705.882] (27\46 to 20\34)
* 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~3/2 = [703.448, 704.348] (34\58 to 27\46)
* 13-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~3/2 = [701.955, 706.843]
* 13-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~3/2 = [701.955, 706.843]
* 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~3/2 = [701.955, 711.731]
* 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~3/2 = [701.955, 711.731]
* 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~3/2 = [704.348, 705.882]


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 46, 80, 206cd, 286bcde }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12f, 34ef, 46, 58, 104c, 162cef }}


Badness: 0.025286
Badness (Sintel): 0.782


=== 17-limit ===
=== 17-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


Comma list: 136/135, 169/168, 176/175, 221/220, 256/255
Comma list: 126/125, 136/135, 176/175, 196/195, 256/255


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 -42 -28 -18 5 | 0 1 -2 15 11 8 1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 31 45 55 5 | 0 1 -2 -8 -12 -15 1 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~17/12 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 704.840
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~17/12 = 599.6253{{c}}, ~3/2 = 703.3726{{c}}
* CWE: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 703.8520{{c}}


Tuning ranges:  
Tuning ranges:  
* 17-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~3/2 = [704.348, 705.882] (27\46 to 20\34)
* 17-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~3/2 = [703.448, 704.348] (34\58 to 27\46)
* 17-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~3/2 = [698.955, 711.731]
* 17-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~3/2 = [698.955, 711.731]
* 17-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~3/2 = [704.348, 705.882]


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 46, 80, 126, 206cd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12f, 34ef, 46, 58, 104c }}


Badness: 0.018594
Badness (Sintel): 0.837


=== 19-limit ===
=== 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.23 subgroup (Na"Naa') ===
Srutal, shrutar and bidia have similar 19-limit properties, tempering 190/189, related rank-3 [[julius]].
<b>Na"Naa'</b> is a remarkable subgroup temperament of {{nowrap| 46 & 58 }} with a prime harmonic of 23. It is yet to be found why it got this strange name.  


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.23


Comma list: 136/135, 169/168, 176/175, 190/189, 221/220, 256/255
Comma list: 126/125, 136/135, 176/175, 196/195, 231/230, 256/255
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 -42 -28 -18 5 -55 | 0 1 -2 15 11 8 1 20 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~17/12 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 704.905
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34dh, 46, 80, 206cd }}
 
Badness: 0.017063
 
==== Srutaloo ====
Srutaloo adds 576/575, 736/729 or 208/207, rhymes with [[Skidoo]].
 
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19.23
 
Comma list: 136/135, 169/168, 176/175, 190/189, 208/207, 221/220, 256/255
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 -42 -28 -18 5 -55 -10 | 0 1 -2 15 11 8 1 20 6 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~17/12 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 704.899
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34dh, 46, 80, 206cd }}
 
Badness: 0.013555
 
===== 29-limit =====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19.23.29
 
Comma list: 136/135, 169/168, 176/175, 190/189, 208/207, 221/220, 232/231, 256/255


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 -42 -28 -18 5 -55 -10 -76 | 0 1 -2 15 11 8 1 20 6 27 }}
{{Mapping|legend=2| 2 0 11 31 45 55 5 63 | 0 1 -2 -8 -12 -15 1 -17 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~17/12 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 704.906
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~17/12 = 599.6272{{c}}, ~3/2 = 703.4326{{c}}
* CWE: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 703.9093{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34dhj, 46, 80, 206cd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12i, 34efi, 46, 58i, 104ci }}


Badness: 0.013203
Badness (Sintel): 0.882


== Pajara ==
== Pajara ==
{{Main| Pajara }}
{{Main| Pajara }}


Pajara is closely associated with 22edo (not to mention [[Paul Erlich]]) but other tunings are possible. The 1/2-octave period serves as both a [[10/7]] and a [[7/5]]. Aside from 22edo, 34 with the val {{val| 34 54 79 96 }} and 56 with the val {{val| 56 89 130 158 }} are are interesting alternatives, with more accpetable fifths, and a tetrad which is more clearly a dominant seventh. As such, they are closer to the tuning of 12edo and of common practice Western music in general, while retaining the distictiveness of a sharp fifth.
Pajara is closely associated with 22edo (not to mention [[Paul Erlich]]) but other tunings are possible. The 1/2-octave period serves as both a [[10/7]] and a [[7/5]]. Aside from 22edo, 34 with the val {{val| 34 54 79 96 }} (34d) and 56 with the val {{val| 56 89 130 158 }} (56d) are interesting alternatives, with more acceptable fifths, and a tetrad which is more clearly a dominant seventh. As such, they are closer to the tuning of 12edo and of common practice Western music in general, while retaining the distictiveness of a sharp fifth.


Pajara extends nicely to an 11-limit version, for which the 56 tuning can be used, but a good alternative is to make the major thirds pure by setting the fifth to be 706.843 cents. Now 99/98, 100/99, 176/175 and 896/891 are being tempered out.
Pajara extends nicely to an 11-limit version, for which the 56edo tuning can be used, but a good alternative is to make the major thirds pure by setting the fifth to be 706.843 cents. Now 99/98, 100/99, 176/175 and 896/891 are being tempered out.


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
Line 184: Line 165:
{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 0 11 12 | 0 1 -2 -2 }}
{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 0 11 12 | 0 1 -2 -2 }}


{{Multival|legend=1| 2 -4 -4 -11 -12 2 }}
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
 
* [[WE]]: ~7/5 = 598.8483{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.6906{{c}}
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 707.048
: [[error map]]: {{val| -2.303 +1.432 -5.756 +10.580 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~7/5 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 707.3438{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +5.389 -1.001 +16.487 }}


[[Tuning ranges]]:
[[Tuning ranges]]:
* 7- and 9-odd-limit [[diamond monotone]]: ~3/2 = [700.000, 720.000] (7\12 to 6\10)
* 7- and 9-odd-limit [[diamond monotone]]: ~3/2 = [700.000, 720.000] (7\12 to 6\10)
* 7- and 9-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~3/2 = [701.955, 715.587]
* 7- and 9-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~3/2 = [701.955, 715.587]
* 7- and 9-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~3/2 = [701.955, 715.587]


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 12, 22, 34d, 56d }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 12, 22, 34d, 56d }}


[[Badness]]: 0.020033
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.507
 
=== 2.3.5.7.17 subgroup ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.17
 
Comma list: 50/49, 64/63, 85/84
 
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 12 5 | 0 1 -2 -2 1 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~7/5 = 599.053{{c}}, ~3/2 = 706.355{{c}}
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 707.607{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 12, 22, 56d }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 0.438


=== 11-limit ===
=== 11-limit ===
Line 202: Line 199:
Comma list: 50/49, 64/63, 99/98
Comma list: 50/49, 64/63, 99/98


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 12 26 | 0 1 -2 -2 -6 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 12 26 | 0 1 -2 -2 -6 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 706.885
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~7/5 = 598.8485{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.5285{{c}}
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 707.1826{{c}}


Tuning ranges:
Tuning ranges:
* 11-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~3/2 = [700.000, 709.091] (7\12 to 13\22)
* 11-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~3/2 = [700.000, 709.091] (7\12 to 13\22)
* 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~3/2 = [701.955, 715.587]
* 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~3/2 = [701.955, 715.587]
* 11-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~3/2 = [701.955, 709.091]


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10e, 12, 22, 34d, 56d }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10e, 12, 22, 34d, 56d }}


Badness: 0.020343
Badness (Sintel): 0.673
 
==== 2.3.5.7.11.17 subgroup ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.17
 
Comma list: 50/49, 64/63, 85/84, 99/98
 
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 12 26 5 | 0 1 -2 -2 -6 1 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~7/5 = 599.062{{c}}, ~3/2 = 706.095{{c}}
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 707.370{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10e, 12, 22, 34d, 56d }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 0.645


==== 13-limit ====
==== 13-limit ====
Line 220: Line 233:
Comma list: 50/49, 64/63, 65/63, 99/98
Comma list: 50/49, 64/63, 65/63, 99/98


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 12 26 1 | 0 1 -2 -2 -6 2 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 12 26 1 | 0 1 -2 -2 -6 2 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 708.919
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~7/5 = 599.9732{{c}}, ~3/2 = 708.8873{{c}}
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 708.9227{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10e, 12, 22 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10e, 12, 22 }}


Badness: 0.027642
Badness (Sintel): 1.14


===== 17-limit =====
===== 17-limit =====
Line 233: Line 248:
Comma list: 50/49, 52/51, 64/63, 65/63, 99/98
Comma list: 50/49, 52/51, 64/63, 65/63, 99/98


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 12 26 1 5 | 0 1 -2 -2 -6 2 1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 12 26 1 5 | 0 1 -2 -2 -6 2 1 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 708.806
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~7/5 = 599.8871{{c}}, ~3/2 = 708.6725{{c}}
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 708.8176{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10e, 12, 22 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10e, 12, 22 }}


Badness: 0.020899
Badness (Sintel): 1.06


==== Pajarina ====
==== Pajarina ====
Line 246: Line 263:
Comma list: 50/49, 64/63, 78/77, 99/98
Comma list: 50/49, 64/63, 78/77, 99/98


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 12 26 36 | 0 1 -2 -2 -6 -9 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 12 26 36 | 0 1 -2 -2 -6 -9 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 706.133
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~7/5 = 598.7732{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.6889{{c}}
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 706.3950{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12f, 22, 34d }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12f, 22, 34d }}


Badness: 0.022327
Badness (Sintel): 0.923


===== 17-limit =====
===== 17-limit =====
Line 259: Line 278:
Comma list: 50/49, 64/63, 78/77, 85/84, 99/98
Comma list: 50/49, 64/63, 78/77, 85/84, 99/98


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 12 26 36 5 | 0 1 -2 -2 -6 -9 1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 12 26 36 5 | 0 1 -2 -2 -6 -9 1 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 706.410
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~7/5 = 599.0204{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.2572{{c}}
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 706.5660{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12f, 22, 34d }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12f, 22, 34d }}


Badness: 0.018375
Badness (Sintel): 0.936


==== Pajarita ====
==== Pajarita ====
Line 272: Line 293:
Comma list: 40/39, 50/49, 64/63, 66/65
Comma list: 40/39, 50/49, 64/63, 66/65


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 12 26 17 | 0 1 -2 -2 -6 -3 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 12 26 17 | 0 1 -2 -2 -6 -3 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 707.450
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~7/5 = 598.3048{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.4512{{c}}
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 707.9238{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10e, 12f, 22f }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10e, 12f, 22f, 34dff }}


Badness: 0.022677
Badness (Sintel): 0.937


===== 17-limit =====
===== 17-limit =====
Line 285: Line 308:
Comma list: 40/39, 50/49, 64/63, 66/65, 85/84
Comma list: 40/39, 50/49, 64/63, 66/65, 85/84


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 12 26 17 5 | 0 1 -2 -2 -6 -3 1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 12 26 17 5 | 0 1 -2 -2 -6 -3 1 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 707.947
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~7/5 = 598.6103{{c}}, ~3/2 = 706.3076{{c}}
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 708.2256{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10e, 12f, 22f }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10e, 12f, 22f }}


Badness: 0.019007
Badness (Sintel): 0.968


=== Pajarous ===
=== Pajarous ===
Line 298: Line 323:
Comma list: 50/49, 55/54, 64/63
Comma list: 50/49, 55/54, 64/63


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 12 -9 | 0 1 -2 -2 5 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 12 -9 | 0 1 -2 -2 5 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 709.578
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~7/5 = 599.4055{{c}}, ~3/2 = 708.8747{{c}}
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 709.5508{{c}}


Tuning ranges:
Tuning ranges:
* 11-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~3/2 = 709.091 (13\22)
* 11-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~3/2 = 709.091 (13\22)
* 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~3/2 = [701.955, 715.803]
* 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~3/2 = [701.955, 715.803]
* 11-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~3/2 = 709.091


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 12e, 22, 120bce, 142bce }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 12e, 22, 120bce, 142bce }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 0.937
 
==== 2.3.5.7.11.17 subgroup ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
 
Comma list: 50/49, 52/51, 55/54, 64/63, 65/63
 
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 12 -9 1 5 | 0 1 -2 -2 5 2 1 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~7/5 = 599.408{{c}}, ~3/2 = 708.878{{c}}
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 709.544{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 12e, 22 }}


Badness: 0.028349
Badness (Sintel): 0.766


==== 13-limit ====
==== 13-limit ====
Line 316: Line 357:
Comma list: 50/49, 55/54, 64/63, 65/63
Comma list: 50/49, 55/54, 64/63, 65/63


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 12 -9 1 | 0 1 -2 -2 5 2 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 12 -9 1 | 0 1 -2 -2 5 2 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 710.240
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~7/5 = 599.9064{{c}}, ~3/2 = 710.1289{{c}}
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 710.2325{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 22, 54f, 76bdff }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 22 }}


Badness: 0.025176
Badness (Sintel): 1.04


===== 17-limit =====
===== 17-limit =====
Line 329: Line 372:
Comma list: 50/49, 52/51, 55/54, 64/63, 65/63
Comma list: 50/49, 52/51, 55/54, 64/63, 65/63


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 12 -9 1 5 | 0 1 -2 -2 5 2 1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 12 -9 1 5 | 0 1 -2 -2 5 2 1 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 710.221
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~7/5 = 599.8239{{c}}, ~3/2 = 710.0128{{c}}
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 710.2067{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 22, 54f, 76bdff }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 22, 54f, 76bdff }}


Badness: 0.018249
Badness (Sintel): 0.930


==== Pajaro ====
==== Pajaro ====
Line 342: Line 387:
Comma list: 40/39, 50/49, 55/54, 64/63
Comma list: 40/39, 50/49, 55/54, 64/63


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 12 -9 17 | 0 1 -2 -2 5 -3 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 12 -9 17 | 0 1 -2 -2 5 -3 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 710.818
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~7/5 = 598.8257{{c}}, ~3/2 = 709.4266{{c}}
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 710.8414{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 22f, 32f, 54ff }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 22f, 32f }}


Badness: 0.027355
Badness (Sintel): 1.13


===== 17-limit =====
===== 17-limit =====
Line 355: Line 402:
Comma list: 40/39, 50/49, 55/54, 64/63, 85/84
Comma list: 40/39, 50/49, 55/54, 64/63, 85/84


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 12 -9 17 5 | 0 1 -2 -2 5 -3 1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 12 -9 17 5 | 0 1 -2 -2 5 -3 1 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 710.866
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~7/5 = 598.8865{{c}}, ~3/2 = 709.5472{{c}}
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 710.8704{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 22f, 32f, 54ff }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 22f, 32f }}


Badness: 0.019844
Badness (Sintel): 1.01


=== Pajaric ===
=== Pajaric ===
Line 368: Line 417:
Comma list: 45/44, 50/49, 56/55
Comma list: 45/44, 50/49, 56/55


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 12 7 | 0 1 -2 -2 0 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 12 7 | 0 1 -2 -2 0 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 705.524
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~7/5 = 597.4807{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.5616{{c}}
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 706.0542{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 12, 22e, 34dee }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 12, 22e }}


Badness: 0.023798
Badness (Sintel): 0.787


==== 13-limit ====
==== 13-limit ====
Line 381: Line 432:
Comma list: 40/39, 45/44, 50/49, 56/55
Comma list: 40/39, 45/44, 50/49, 56/55


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 12 7 17 | 0 1 -2 -2 0 -3 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 12 7 17 | 0 1 -2 -2 0 -3 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 707.442
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~7/5 = 597.1952{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.1350{{c}}
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 708.1989{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 12f, 22ef }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 12f, 22ef }}


Badness: 0.020461
Badness (Sintel): 0.845


==== 17-limit ====
==== 17-limit ====
Line 394: Line 447:
Comma list: 34/33, 40/39, 45/44, 50/49, 56/55
Comma list: 34/33, 40/39, 45/44, 50/49, 56/55


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 12 7 17 5 | 0 1 -2 -2 0 -3 1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 12 7 17 5 | 0 1 -2 -2 0 -3 1 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 708.544
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~7/5 = 597.6509{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.7702{{c}}
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 708.9719{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 12f, 22ef }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 12f, 22ef }}


Badness: 0.017592
Badness (Sintel): 0.896


=== Hemipaj ===
=== Hemipaj ===
Line 407: Line 462:
Comma list: 50/49, 64/63, 121/120  
Comma list: 50/49, 64/63, 121/120  


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 1 9 10 8 | 0 2 -4 -4 -1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 1 9 10 8 | 0 2 -4 -4 -1 }}
 
: mapping generators: ~2, ~16/11


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~11/8 = 546.383
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~7/5 = 597.6509{{c}}, ~16/11 = 652.7788{{c}}
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~16/11 = 653.7119{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 20, 22, 68d, 90d }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 2, 20, 22 }}


Badness: 0.038890
Badness (Sintel): 1.29


=== Hemifourths ===
=== Hemifourths ===
Line 420: Line 479:
Comma list: 50/49, 64/63, 243/242
Comma list: 50/49, 64/63, 243/242


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 12 -1 | 0 2 -4 -4 5 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 12 -1 | 0 2 -4 -4 5 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~55/32


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~55/32 = 953.093
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~7/5 = 597.6509{{c}}, ~55/32 = 950.8475{{c}}
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~55/32 = 953.1172{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 24d, 34d }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 24d, 34d }}


Badness: 0.048885
Badness (Sintel): 1.62


==== 13-limit ====
==== 13-limit ====
Line 433: Line 495:
Comma list: 50/49, 64/63, 78/77, 144/143
Comma list: 50/49, 64/63, 78/77, 144/143


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 12 -1 9 | 0 2 -4 -4 5 -1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 12 -1 9 | 0 2 -4 -4 5 -1 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~26/15 = 953.074
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~7/5 = 598.6748{{c}}, ~26/15 = 950.9691{{c}}
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~26/15 = 953.1052{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 24d, 34d }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 24d, 34d }}


Badness: 0.028755
Badness (Sintel): 1.19


==== 17-limit ====
==== 17-limit ====
Line 446: Line 510:
Comma list: 50/49, 64/63, 78/77, 85/84, 144/143
Comma list: 50/49, 64/63, 78/77, 85/84, 144/143


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 12 -1 9 5 | 0 2 -4 -4 5 -1 2 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 12 -1 9 5 | 0 2 -4 -4 5 -1 2 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~26/15 = 953.210
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~7/5 = 598.8411{{c}}, ~26/15 = 951.3687{{c}}
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~26/15 = 953.2169{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 24d, 34d }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 24d, 34d }}


Badness: 0.021790
Badness (Sintel): 1.11


== Diaschismic ==
== Srutal ==
{{See also| Srutal vs diaschismic }}
{{See also| Srutal vs diaschismic }}


A simpler characterization than the one given by the normal comma list is that diaschismic adds [[126/125]] or [[5120/5103]] to the set of commas, and it can also be called 46 &amp; 58. However described, diaschismic has a 1/2-octave period and a sharp fifth generator like pajara, but not so sharp, giving a more accurate but more complex temperament. [[58edo]] provides an excellent tuning, but an alternative is to make [[7/4]] just by making the fifth 703.897 cents, as opposed to 703.448 cents for 58edo.
Srutal can be described as the {{nowrap| 34d & 46 }} temperament, where 7/4 is located at 15 generator steps, or the double-augmented fifth (C–Gx). As such, it weakly extends [[leapfrog]]. 80edo and [[126edo]] are among the possible tunings. Srutal, shrutar and bidia have similar 19-limit properties, tempering out 190/189, related to rank-3 [[julius]].
 
Diaschismic extends naturally to the 17-limit, for which the same tunings may be used, making it one of the most important of the higher-limit rank-2 temperaments. Adding the 11-limit adds the commas 176/175, 896/891 and 441/440. The 13-limit yields 196/195, 351/350, and 364/363; the 17-limit adds 136/135, 221/220, and 442/441. If you want to explore higher-limit harmonies, diaschismic is certainly one excellent way to do it; Mos of 34 notes and even more the 46-note mos will encompass very great deal of it. Of course 46 or 58 equal provide alternatives which in many ways are similar, particularly in the case of 58.


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 126/125, 2048/2025
[[Comma list]]: 2048/2025, 4375/4374


{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 0 11 31 | 0 1 -2 -8 }}
{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 0 11 -42 | 0 1 -2 15 }}
 
{{Multival|legend=1| 2 -4 -16 -11 -31 -26 }}


[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 703.681
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~45/32 = 599.4046{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.1150{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| -1.191 +0.969 +1.289 +0.044 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.7646{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +2.810 +4.157 +2.643 }}


[[Tuning ranges]]:  
[[Tuning ranges]]:  
* 7- and 9-odd-limit [[diamond monotone]]: ~3/2 = [700.000, 705.882] (7\12 to 20\34)
* 7- and 9-odd-limit [[diamond monotone]]: ~3/2 = [703.448, 705.882] (34\58 to 20\34)
* 7- and 9-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~3/2 = [701.955, 706.843]
* 7- and 9-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~3/2 = [701.955, 706.843]
* 7- and 9-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~3/2 = [701.955, 705.882]


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, 46, 58, 104c, 162c }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 46, 80, 126, 206cd, 332bcd }}


[[Badness]]: 0.037914
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.32


=== 11-limit ===
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Comma list: 126/125, 176/175, 896/891
Comma list: 176/175, 896/891, 1331/1323


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 31 45  0 1 -2 -8 -12 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 -42 -28 | 0 1 -2 15 11 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 703.714
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~45/32 = 599.4413{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.1999{{c}}
* CWE: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.8017{{c}}


Tuning ranges:  
Tuning ranges:  
* 11-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~3/2 = [700.000, 704.348] (7\12 to 27\46)
* 11-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~3/2 = [704.348, 705.882] (27\46 to 20\34)
* 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~3/2 = [701.955, 706.843]
* 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~3/2 = [701.955, 706.843]
* 11-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~3/2 = [701.955, 704.348]


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, 46, 58, 104c, 162ce }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 34d, 46, 80, 126, 206cd }}


Badness: 0.025034
Badness (Sintel): 1.17


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Comma list: 126/125, 176/175, 196/195, 364/363
Comma list: 169/168, 176/175, 325/324, 364/363


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 31 45 55 | 0 1 -2 -8 -12 -15 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 -42 -28 -18 | 0 1 -2 15 11 8 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 703.704
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~45/32 = 599.5490{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.3516{{c}}
* CWE: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.8347{{c}}


Tuning ranges:  
Tuning ranges:  
* 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~3/2 = [703.448, 704.348] (34\58 to 27\46)
* 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~3/2 = [704.348, 705.882] (27\46 to 20\34)
* 13-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~3/2 = [701.955, 706.843]
* 13-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~3/2 = [701.955, 706.843]
* 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~3/2 = [701.955, 711.731]
* 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~3/2 = [701.955, 711.731]
* 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~3/2 = [703.448, 704.348]


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 46, 58, 104c, 162cef }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 34d, 46, 80 }}


Badness: 0.018926
Badness (Sintel): 1.04


=== 17-limit ===
=== 17-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


Comma list: 126/125, 136/135, 176/175, 196/195, 256/255
Comma list: 136/135, 169/168, 176/175, 221/220, 256/255


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 31 45 55 5 | 0 1 -2 -8 -12 -15 1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 -42 -28 -18 5 | 0 1 -2 15 11 8 1 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~17/12 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 703.812
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~17/12 = 599.6459{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.4237{{c}}
* CWE: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.8083{{c}}


Tuning ranges:  
Tuning ranges:  
* 17-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~3/2 = [703.448, 704.348] (34\58 to 27\46)
* 17-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~3/2 = [704.348, 705.882] (27\46 to 20\34)
* 17-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~3/2 = [698.955, 711.731]
* 17-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~3/2 = [698.955, 711.731]
* 17-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~3/2 = [703.448, 704.348]


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 46, 58, 104c }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 34d, 46, 80, 126 }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 0.947
 
=== 19-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19
 
Comma list: 136/135, 169/168, 176/175, 190/189, 221/220, 256/255
 
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 -42 -28 -18 5 -55 | 0 1 -2 15 11 8 1 20 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~17/12 = 599.6371{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.4790{{c}}
* CWE: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.8745{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 34dh, 46, 80 }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 1.04
 
==== Srutaloo ====
Srutaloo adds 576/575, 736/729 or 208/207, and rhymes with [[skidoo]].
 
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19.23
 
Comma list: 136/135, 169/168, 176/175, 190/189, 208/207, 221/220, 256/255
 
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 -42 -28 -18 5 -55 -10 | 0 1 -2 15 11 8 1 20 6 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~17/12 = 599.6690{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.5098{{c}}
* CWE: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.8713{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 34dh, 46, 80 }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 0.971
 
===== 29-limit =====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19.23.29
 
Comma list: 136/135, 169/168, 176/175, 190/189, 208/207, 221/220, 232/231, 256/255
 
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 -42 -28 -18 5 -55 -10 -76 | 0 1 -2 15 11 8 1 20 6 27 }}


Badness: 0.016425
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~17/12 = 599.6664{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.5138{{c}}
* CWE: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.8807{{c}}


==== Na"Naa' ====
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 34dhj, 46, 80 }}
<b>Na"Naa'</b> is a remarkable subgroup temperament of 46&amp;58 with a prime harmonic of 23.


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.23
Badness (Sintel): 1.10
 
===== 31-limit =====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19.23.29.31
 
Comma list: 136/135, 169/168, 176/175, 190/189, 208/207, 217/216, 221/220, 232/231, 256/255


Comma list: 126/125, 136/135, 176/175, 196/195, 231/230, 256/255
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 -42 -28 -18 5 -55 -10 -76 48 | 0 1 -2 15 11 8 1 20 6 27 -12 }}


Sval mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 31 45 55 5 63 | 0 1 -2 -8 -12 -15 1 -17 }}
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~17/12 = 599.8115{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.5958{{c}}
* CWE: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.8086{{c}}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~17/12 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 703.870
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 46, 80, 126 }}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 46, 58i, 104ci }}
Badness (Sintel): 1.44


== Keen ==
== Keen ==
Keen adds 875/864 as well as 2240/2187 to the set of commas. It may also be described as the 22 &amp; 56 temperament. [[78edo]] is a good tuning choice, and remains a good one in the 11-limit, where keen, {{multival| 2 -4 18 -12 … }}, is really more interesting, adding 100/99 and 385/384 to the commas.
Keen adds 875/864 as well as 2240/2187 to the set of commas. It may also be described as the {{nowrap| 22 & 34 }} temperament. [[78edo]] is a good tuning choice, and remains a good one in the 11-limit, where the temperament is really more interesting, adding 100/99 and 385/384 to the list of commas.


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
Line 557: Line 674:
{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 0 11 -23 | 0 1 -2 9 }}
{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 0 11 -23 | 0 1 -2 9 }}


{{Multival|legend=1| 2 -4 18 -11 23 53 }}
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
 
* [[WE]]: ~45/32 = 599.6603{{c}}, ~3/2 = 707.1707{{c}}
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 707.571
: [[error map]]: {{val| -0.679 +4.536 -3.033 -2.591 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 707.5294{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +5.574 -1.373 -1.061 }}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22, 56, 78, 134b, 212b, 290bb }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22, 56, 78, 134b }}


[[Badness]]: 0.083971
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.13


=== 11-limit ===
=== 11-limit ===
Line 570: Line 689:
Comma list: 100/99, 385/384, 1232/1215
Comma list: 100/99, 385/384, 1232/1215


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 -23 26 | 0 1 -2 9 -6 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 -23 26 | 0 1 -2 9 -6 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 707.609
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~45/32 = 599.6286{{c}}, ~3/2 = 707.1712{{c}}
* CWE: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 707.5984{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22, 56, 78, 212be, 290bbe }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 22, 56, 78 }}


Badness: 0.045270
Badness (Sintel): 1.50


==== 13-limit ====
==== 13-limit ====
Line 583: Line 704:
Comma list: 100/99, 105/104, 144/143, 1078/1053
Comma list: 100/99, 105/104, 144/143, 1078/1053


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 -23 26 -18 | 0 1 -2 9 -6 8 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 -23 26 -18 | 0 1 -2 9 -6 8 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 707.167
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~45/32 = 599.3498{{c}}, ~3/2 = 706.4009{{c}}
* CWE: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 707.1309{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22f, 34, 56f }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 22f, 34, 56f }}


Badness: 0.044877
Badness (Sintel): 1.85


===== 17-limit =====
===== 17-limit =====
Line 596: Line 719:
Comma list: 100/99, 105/104, 119/117, 144/143, 154/153
Comma list: 100/99, 105/104, 119/117, 144/143, 154/153


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 -23 26 -18 5 | 0 1 -2 9 -6 8 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 -23 26 -18 5 | 0 1 -2 9 -6 8 1}}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~17/12 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 707.155
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~17/12 = 599.4053{{c}}, ~3/2 = 706.4544{{c}}
* CWE: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 707.1243{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22f, 34, 56f }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 22f, 34, 56f }}


Badness: 0.030297
Badness (Sintel): 1.54


==== Keenic ====
==== Keenic ====
Line 609: Line 734:
Comma list: 91/90, 100/99, 352/351, 385/384
Comma list: 91/90, 100/99, 352/351, 385/384


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 -23 26 36 | 0 1 -2 9 -6 -9 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 -23 26 36 | 0 1 -2 9 -6 -9 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 707.257
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~45/32 = 599.8547{{c}}, ~3/2 = 707.0858{{c}}
* CWE: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 707.2596{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22, 34, 56 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 22, 34, 56 }}


Badness: 0.040351
Badness (Sintel): 1.67


===== 17-limit =====
===== 17-limit =====
Line 622: Line 749:
Comma list: 91/90, 100/99, 136/135, 154/153, 256/255
Comma list: 91/90, 100/99, 136/135, 154/153, 256/255


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 -23 26 36 5 | 0 1 -2 9 -6 -9 1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 -23 26 36 5 | 0 1 -2 9 -6 -9 1 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~17/12 = 1\2, ~3/2 = 707.252
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~17/12 = 599.8338{{c}}, ~3/2 = 707.0558{{c}}
* CWE: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 707.2537{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22, 34, 56 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 22, 34, 56 }}


Badness: 0.026917
Badness (Sintel): 1.37


== Bidia ==
== Bidia ==
Bidia adds [[3136/3125]] to the commas, splitting the period into 1/4 octave. It may be called the 12 &amp; 56 temperament.
Bidia adds [[3136/3125]] to the commas, splitting the period into 1/4 octave. It may be called the {{nowrap| 12 & 68 }} temperament; its ploidacot is tetraploid monocot. Scales of bidia [[cluster temperament|cluster]] around [[12edo]], with a small residue left behind when three semitones exceed the quarter-octave period. This residue represents [[64/63]], and somewhat peculiarly, [[81/80]] is represented by ''two'' of these intervals.


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
Line 638: Line 767:


{{Mapping|legend=1| 4 0 22 43 | 0 1 -2 -5 }}
{{Mapping|legend=1| 4 0 22 43 | 0 1 -2 -5 }}
: mapping generators: ~25/21, ~3


{{Multival|legend=1| 4 -8 -20 -22 -43 -24 }}
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
 
* [[WE]]: ~25/21 = 299.6887{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.6318{{c}}
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~25/21 = 1\4, ~3/2 = 705.364
: [[error map]]: {{val| -1.245 +1.432 +0.064 +0.854 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~25/21 = 300.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.5070{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +3.552 +2.672 +3.639 }}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, 56, 68, 80, 148d }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, …, 56, 68, 80, 148d }}


[[Badness]]: 0.056474
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.43


=== 11-limit ===
=== 11-limit ===
Line 652: Line 784:
Comma list: 176/175, 896/891, 1375/1372
Comma list: 176/175, 896/891, 1375/1372


Mapping: {{mapping| 4 0 22 43 71 | 0 1 -2 -5 -9 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 4 0 22 43 71 | 0 1 -2 -5 -9 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~25/21 = 1\4, ~3/2 = 705.087
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~25/21 = 299.6809{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.3367{{c}}
* CWE: ~25/21 = 300.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.2170{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, 68, 80 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12, 56e, 68, 80 }}


Badness: 0.040191
Badness (Sintel): 1.33


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
Line 665: Line 799:
Comma list: 176/175, 325/324, 640/637, 896/891
Comma list: 176/175, 325/324, 640/637, 896/891


Mapping: {{mapping| 4 0 22 43 71 -36 | 0 1 -2 -5 -9 8 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 4 0 22 43 71 -36 | 0 1 -2 -5 -9 8 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~25/21 = 1\4, ~3/2 = 705.301
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~25/21 = 299.7538{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.7222{{c}}
* CWE: ~25/21 = 300.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.3241{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, 68, 80, 148d, 228bcd, 376bbcddf }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12, 68, 80, 148d, 228bcd, 376bbcddf }}


Badness: 0.041137
Badness (Sintel): 1.70


=== 17-limit ===
=== 17-limit ===
Line 678: Line 814:
Comma list: 136/135, 176/175, 256/255, 325/324, 640/637
Comma list: 136/135, 176/175, 256/255, 325/324, 640/637


Mapping: {{mapping| 4 0 22 43 71 -36 10 | 0 1 -2 -5 -9 8 1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 4 0 22 43 71 -36 10 | 0 1 -2 -5 -9 8 1 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~25/21 = 1\4, ~3/2 = 705.334
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~25/21 = 299.7883{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.8365{{c}}
* CWE: ~25/21 = 300.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.3496{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, 68, 80, 148d, 228bcd, 376bbcddf }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12, 68, 80, 148d }}


Badness: 0.028631
Badness (Sintel): 1.46


=== 19-limit ===
=== 19-limit ===
Line 691: Line 829:
Comma list: 136/135, 176/175, 190/189, 256/255, 325/324, 640/637
Comma list: 136/135, 176/175, 190/189, 256/255, 325/324, 640/637


Mapping: {{mapping| 4 0 22 43 71 -36 10 17 | 0 1 -2 -5 -9 8 1 0 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 4 0 22 43 71 -36 10 17 | 0 1 -2 -5 -9 8 1 0 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~19/16 = 1\4, ~3/2 = 705.339
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~19/16 = 299.7967{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.8609{{c}}
* CWE: ~19/16 = 300.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.3519{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, 68, 80, 148d, 376bbcddfh }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12, 68, 80, 148d }}


Badness: 0.020590
Badness (Sintel): 1.25


== Echidna ==
=== 23-limit ===
Echidna adds 1728/1715 to the commas and takes 9/7 as a generator. It may be called the 22 &amp; 58 temperament. [[58edo]] or [[80edo]] make for good tunings, or their vals can be added to {{val| 138 219 321 388 }}.
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19.23


Echidna becomes more interesting when extended to be an 11-limit temperament by adding 176/175, 896/891 or 540/539 to the commas, where the same tunings can be used as before. It then is able to represent the entire 11-limit diamond to within about six cents of error, within a compass of 24 notes. The 28 note 2MOS gives scope for this, and the 36 note MOS much more.
Comma list: 136/135, 176/175, 190/189, 253/252, 256/255, 325/324, 640/637


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
{{Mapping|legend=0| 4 0 22 43 71 -36 10 17 -20 | 0 1 -2 -5 -9 8 1 0 6 }}


[[Comma list]]: 1728/1715, 2048/2025
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~19/16 = 299.7961{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.8577{{c}}
* CWE: ~19/16 = 300.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.3413{{c}}


{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 1 9 2 | 0 3 -6 5 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12, 68, 80, 148di }}


{{Multival|legend=1| 6 -12 10 -33 -1 57 }}
Badness (Sintel): 1.24


[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~9/7 = 434.856
== Shrutar ==
Shrutar adds 245/243 to the commas, and also tempers out [[6144/6125]]. It can also be described as {{nowrap| 22 & 46 }}. Its generator can be taken as either ~36/35 or ~35/24; the latter is interesting since along with 15/14 and 21/20, it connects opposite sides of a hexany. Its ploidacot is diploid alpha-dicot. [[68edo]] makes for a good tuning, but another excellent choice is a generator of 14<sup>(1/7)</sup>, making 7's just.


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22, 58, 80, 138cd, 218cd }}
By adding 121/120 or 176/175 to the commas, shrutar can be extended to the 11-limit, which loses a bit of accuracy, but picks up low-complexity 11-limit harmony, making shrutar quite an interesting 11-limit system. 68, 114 or a 14<sup>(1/7)</sup> generator can again be used as tunings.


[[Badness]]: 0.058033
Additionally, shrutar can employ the standard diaschismic mapping of prime 17, and most naturally represents the 2.3.5.7.11.17 subgroup temperament where 15:16:17:18 and 32:33:34:35:36 are equalized. Shrutar canonically maps primes 13, 19, and 23 as the 46 & 68 temperament; these mappings are significantly more complex and need finer tuning, however.


=== 11-limit ===
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Comma list: 176/175, 540/539, 896/891
[[Comma list]]: 245/243, 2048/2025


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 1 9 2 12 | 0 3 -6 5 -7 }}
{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 1 9 -2 | 0 2 -4 7 }}
: mapping generators: ~45/32, ~35/24


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~9/7 = 434.852
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~45/32 = 599.5401{{c}}, ~35/24 = 652.3108{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| -0.920 +2.207 +0.304 -1.730 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~35/24 = 652.7736{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +3.592 +2.592 +0.589 }}


Minimax tuning:
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22, 46, 68, 182b, 250bc }}
* 11-odd-limit: ~9/7 = {{monzo| 5/12 0 0 1/12 -1/12 }}
: [{{monzo| 1 0 0 0 0 }}, {{monzo| 7/4 0 0 1/4 -1/4 }}, {{monzo| 2 0 0 -1/2 1/2 }}, {{monzo| 37/12 0 0 5/12 -5/12 }}, {{monzo| 37/12 0 0 -7/12 7/12 }}]
: Eigenmonzo (unchanged-interval) basis: 2.11/7


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22, 58, 80, 138cde, 218cde }}
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.20


Badness: 0.025987
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


=== 13-limit ===
Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 245/243
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Comma list: 176/175, 351/350, 364/363, 540/539
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 1 9 -2 8 | 0 2 -4 7 -1 }}


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 1 9 2 12 19 | 0 3 -6 5 -7 -16 }}
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~45/32 = 599.7721{{c}}, ~16/11 = 652.4321{{c}}
* CWE: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~16/11 = 652.6672{{c}}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~9/7 = 434.756
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 22, 46, 68, 114 }}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22, 58, 80, 138cde }}
Badness (Sintel): 0.876


Badness: 0.023679
=== 13-limit ===
Note that an alternative, simpler mapping for prime 13 exists at -7 gens, as in [[#Shru]]. This mapping is especially valuable when considering shrutar as a no-7's 17-limit temperament (22 & 24, supported by 46, 68f and 70), as the complexity from mapping 7 at +7 gens is one of the motivations for picking a +16 gen mapping for 13. This temperament isn't as accurate, but it is simple, and makes many [[MOS]]es, specifically 2L 2''n''s for ''n'' up to [[2L 20s|10]], followed by [[22L 2s]] for the 24-note MOS, with a quarter-tone generator equivalent to ~11/8.


=== 17-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


Comma list: 136/135, 176/175, 221/220, 256/255, 540/539
Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 196/195, 245/243


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 1 9 2 12 19 6 | 0 3 -6 5 -7 -16 3 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 1 9 -2 8 -10 | 0 2 -4 7 -1 16 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~17/12 = 1\2, ~9/7 = 434.816
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~45/32 = 599.7699{{c}}, ~16/11 = 652.4035{{c}}
* CWE: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~16/11 = 652.6374{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22, 58, 80, 138cde }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 22f, 46, 68, 114 }}


Badness: 0.020273
Badness (Sintel): 1.16


== Echidnic ==
==== 17-limit ====
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


[[Comma list]]: 686/675, 1029/1024
Comma list: 121/120, 136/135, 154/153, 176/175, 196/195


{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 2 7 6 | 0 3 -6 -1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 1 9 -2 8 -10 6 | 0 2 -4 7 -1 16 2 }}


{{Multival|legend=1| 6 -12 -2 -33 -20 29 }}
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~17/12 = 599.7995{{c}}, ~16/11 = 652.4287{{c}}
* CWE: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~16/11 = 652.6334{{c}}


[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~8/7 = 234.492
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 22f, 46, 68, 114 }}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 36, 46, 194bcd, 240bcd, 286bcd, 332bccdd }}
Badness (Sintel): 0.953


[[Badness]]: 0.072246
==== 19-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19


=== 11-limit ===
Comma list: 121/120, 136/135, 154/153, 176/175, 196/195, 343/342
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Comma list: 385/384, 441/440, 686/675


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 2 7 6 3 | 0 3 -6 -1 10 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 1 9 -2 8 -10 6 -10 | 0 2 -4 7 -1 16 2 17 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~8/7 = 235.096
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~17/12 = 599.8060{{c}}, ~16/11 = 652.5190{{c}}
* CWE: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~16/11 = 652.7164{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 36e, 46, 102, 148, 342bcdd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 22fh, 46, 68, 114, 182bef }}


Badness: 0.045127
Badness (Sintel): 1.07


=== 13-limit ===
==== 23-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19.23


Comma list: 91/90, 169/168, 385/384, 441/440
Comma list: 121/120, 136/135, 154/153, 176/175, 196/195, 253/252, 343/342


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 2 7 6 3 7 | 0 3 -6 -1 10 1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 1 9 -2 8 -10 6 -10 -4 | 0 2 -4 7 -1 16 2 17 12 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~8/7 = 235.088
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~17/12 = 599.7879{{c}}, ~16/11 = 652.4776{{c}}
* CWE: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~16/11 = 652.6926{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 46, 102, 148f, 194bcdf }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 22fh, 46, 68, 114 }}


Badness: 0.028874
Badness (Sintel): 1.03


=== 17-limit ===
== Shru ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Shru tempers out 392/375 and slices the compound semitone into two generators of ~10/7. Its ploidacot is diploid alpha-dicot, the same as shrutar. It can be seen as one way of merging [[parapyth]] with [[diaschismic]] (and hence as a lower-accuracy rank 2 tuning of [[varda]]).
 
Comma list: 91/90, 136/135, 154/153, 169/168, 256/255
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 2 7 6 3 7 7 | 0 3 -6 -1 10 1 3 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~17/12 = 1\2, ~8/7 = 235.088
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 46, 102, 148f, 194bcdf }}
 
Badness: 0.019304
 
; Compositions
* [https://untwelve.org/competition/2011 ''A Stiff Shot of Turpentine''] [https://untwelve.org/static/audio/competition/2011/Kosmorsky-A_Stiff_Shot_of_Turpentine.mp3 play] by [[Peter Kosmorsky]]
 
== Shrutar ==
Shrutar adds 245/243 to the commas, and also tempers out 6144/6125. It can also be described as 22&amp;46. Its generator can be taken as either 36/35 or 35/24; the latter is interesting since along with 15/14 and 21/20, it connects opposite sides of a hexany. [[68edo]] makes for a good tuning, but another excellent choice is a generator of 14<sup>(1/7)</sup>, making 7's just.


By adding 121/120 or 176/175 to the commas, shrutar can be extended to the 11-limit, which loses a bit of accuracy, but picks up low-complexity 11-limit harmony, making shrutar quite an interesting 11-limit system. 68, 114 or a 14<sup>(1/7)</sup> generator can again be used as tunings.
Note that shru is especially efficient as a no-7's 17-limit temperament, as its 7 is the highest damage, and without it, the other primes can be tuned more accurately.


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 245/243, 2048/2025
[[Comma list]]: 392/375, 1323/1280


{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 1 9 -2 | 0 2 -4 7 }}
{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 1 9 11 | 0 2 -4 -5 }}
: mapping generators: ~45/32, ~10/7


{{Multival|legend=1| 4 -8 14 -22 11 55 }}
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~45/32 = 600.2519{{c}}, ~10/7 = 650.4083{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.504 -0.887 +14.321 -18.096 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 650.1017{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -1.752 +13.279 -19.334 }}


[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~35/24 = 652.811
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 2, 22d, 24 }}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22, 46, 68, 182b, 250bc }}


[[Badness]]: 0.047377
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 3.99


=== 11-limit ===
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 245/243
Comma list: 56/55, 77/75, 1323/1280


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 1 9 -2 8 | 0 2 -4 7 -1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 1 9 11 8 | 0 2 -4 -5 -1 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~16/11 = 652.680
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~17/12 = 600.2356{{c}}, ~10/7 = 650.3856{{c}}
* CWE: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 650.1008{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22, 46, 68, 114, 296bce, 410bce }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 2, 22d, 24 }}


Badness: 0.026489
Badness (Sintel): 2.10


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 196/195, 245/243
Comma list: 56/55, 77/75, 105/104, 507/500


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 1 9 -2 8 -10 | 0 2 -4 7 -1 16 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 1 9 11 8 15 | 0 2 -4 -5 -1 -7 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~16/11 = 652.654
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~45/32 = 599.9067{{c}}, ~10/7 = 649.4907{{c}}
* CWE: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 649.5950{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22f, 24f, 46, 68, 114 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 2, 24 }}


Badness: 0.028057
Badness (Sintel): 2.12


=== 17-limit ===
== Sruti ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
{{Redirect|Sruti|the tuning concept in Indian music|Shruti}}
 
Comma list: 121/120, 136/135, 154/153, 176/175, 196/195
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 1 9 -2 8 -10 6 | 0 2 -4 7 -1 16 2 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~17/12 = 1\2, ~16/11 = 652.647
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22f, 24f, 46, 68, 114 }}
 
Badness: 0.018716
 
=== 19-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19
 
Comma list: 121/120, 136/135, 154/153, 176/175, 196/195, 343/342
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 1 9 -2 8 -10 6 -10 | 0 2 -4 7 -1 16 2 17 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~17/12 = 1\2, ~16/11 = 652.730
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22fh, 24fh, 46, 68, 114, 182bef }}


Badness: 0.017540
Sruti tempers out 19683/19600, setting itself up as a [[hemipyth]] temperament. It has the same semi-octave period as diaschismic, but the generator can be taken as a neutral third or a hemitwelfth. The temperament can be described as {{nowrap| 24 & 34d }}; its ploidacot is diploid dicot. [[58edo]] may be recommended as a tuning.  


== Sruti ==
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


Line 896: Line 1,017:


{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 0 11 -15 | 0 2 -4 13 }}
{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 0 11 -15 | 0 2 -4 13 }}
: mapping generators: ~45/32, ~140/81


{{Multival|legend=1| 4 -8 26 -22 30 83 }}
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
 
* [[WE]]: ~45/32 = 599.2764{{c}}, ~140/81 = 950.7284{{c}}
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~140/81 = 951.876
: [[error map]]: {{val| -1.447 -0.498 +2.813 +1.497 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~140/81 = 951.8227{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +1.690 +6.395 +4.869 }}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 24, 34d, 58, 150cd, 208ccdd, 266ccdd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 24, 34d, 58, 150cd, 208ccdd, 266ccdd }}


[[Badness]]: 0.117358
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.97


=== 11-limit ===
=== 11-limit ===
Line 910: Line 1,034:
Comma list: 176/175, 243/242, 896/891
Comma list: 176/175, 243/242, 896/891


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 -15 -1 | 0 2 -4 13 5 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 -15 -1 | 0 2 -4 13 5 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~121/70 = 951.863
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~45/32 = 599.1951{{c}}, ~121/70 = 950.5864{{c}}
* CWE: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~121/70 = 951.7972{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 24, 34d, 58 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 24, 34d, 58, 150cdee, 208ccddee, 266ccddeee }}


Badness: 0.041459
Badness (Sintel): 1.37


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
Line 923: Line 1,049:
Comma list: 144/143, 176/175, 351/350, 676/675
Comma list: 144/143, 176/175, 351/350, 676/675


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 -15 -1 9 | 0 2 -4 13 5 -1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 -15 -1 9 | 0 2 -4 13 5 -1 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~26/15 = 951.886
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~45/32 = 599.1479{{c}}, ~26/15 = 950.5337{{c}}
* CWE: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~26/15 = 951.8314{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 24, 34d, 58, 150cdeef, 208ccddeeff }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 24, 34d, 58, 150cdeef, 208ccddeeff, 266ccddeeefff }}


Badness: 0.023791
Badness (Sintel): 0.983


=== 17-limit ===
=== 17-limit ===
Line 936: Line 1,064:
Comma list: 136/135, 144/143, 170/169, 176/175, 221/220
Comma list: 136/135, 144/143, 170/169, 176/175, 221/220


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 -15 -1 9 5 | 0 2 -4 13 5 -1 2 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 -15 -1 9 5 | 0 2 -4 13 5 -1 2 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~17/12 = 1\2, ~26/15 = 951.857
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~17/12 = 599.3003{{c}}, ~26/15 = 950.7465{{c}}
* CWE: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~26/15 = 951.8142{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 24, 34d, 58 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 24, 34d, 58 }}


Badness: 0.020536
Badness (Sintel): 1.05


== Anguirus ==
== Anguirus ==
As another hemipyth temperament, anguirus tempers out 49/48. It can be described as the {{nowrap| 10 & 24 }} temperament; its ploidacot is diploid dicot, the same as sruti.
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


Line 950: Line 1,082:


{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 0 11 4 | 0 2 -4 1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 0 11 4 | 0 2 -4 1 }}
: mapping generators: ~45/32, ~7/4


{{Multival|legend=1| 4 -8 2 -22 -8 27 }}
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
 
* [[WE]]: ~45/32 = 600.2758{{c}}, ~7/4 = 953.4593{{c}}
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~7/4 = 953.021
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.552 +4.964 +2.883 -14.264 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~7/4 = 953.0188{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +4.083 +1.611 -15.807 }}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 24, 34 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 24, 34 }}


[[Badness]]: 0.077955
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.97


=== 11-limit ===
=== 11-limit ===
Line 964: Line 1,099:
Comma list: 49/48, 56/55, 243/242
Comma list: 49/48, 56/55, 243/242


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 4 -1 | 0 2 -4 1 5 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 4 -1 | 0 2 -4 1 5 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~7/4 = 952.184
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~45/32 = 599.9250{{c}}, ~7/4 = 952.0646{{c}}
* CWE: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~7/4 = 952.1784{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 24, 34, 58d, 92de }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 24, 34 }}


Badness: 0.049253
Badness (Sintel): 1.63


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
Line 977: Line 1,114:
Comma list: 49/48, 56/55, 91/90, 243/242
Comma list: 49/48, 56/55, 91/90, 243/242


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 4 -1 9 | 0 2 -4 1 5 -1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 4 -1 9 | 0 2 -4 1 5 -1 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~7/4 = 952.309
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~45/32 = 599.7575{{c}}, ~7/4 = 951.9241{{c}}
* CWE: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~7/4 = 952.2980{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 24, 34, 58d, 92ddef }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 24, 34, 58d, 92ddef }}


Badness: 0.030829
Badness (Sintel): 1.27


=== 17-limit ===
=== 17-limit ===
Line 990: Line 1,129:
Comma list: 49/48, 56/55, 91/90, 119/117, 154/153
Comma list: 49/48, 56/55, 91/90, 119/117, 154/153


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 4 -1 9 5 | 0 2 -4 1 5 -1 2 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 4 -1 9 5 | 0 2 -4 1 5 -1 2 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~17/12 = 599.7925{{c}}, ~7/4 = 952.0004{{c}}
* CWE: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~7/4 = 952.3178{{c}}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~17/12 = 1\2, ~7/4 = 952.330
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 24, 34 }}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 24, 34, 58d, 92ddef }}
Badness (Sintel): 1.10


Badness: 0.021796
== Echidnic ==
Echidnic tempers out 686/675 and [[1029/1024]]. It has the same semi-octave period as diaschismic, but slices the generator of a fifth into three ~8/7's. It can be described as the {{nowrap| 10 & 46 }} temperament; its ploidacot is diploid tricot.  


== Shru ==
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 392/375, 1323/1280
[[Comma list]]: 686/675, 1029/1024


{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 1 9 11 | 0 2 -4 -5 }}
{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 2 7 6 | 0 3 -6 -1 }}
 
: mapping generators: ~45/32, ~8/7
{{Multival|legend=1| 4 -8 -10 -22 -27 -1 }}


[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~10/7 = 650.135
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~45/32 = 599.7208{{c}}, ~8/7 = 234.8330{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| -0.558 +1.986 +2.733 -5.334 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~8/7 = 234.9539{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +2.907 +3.963 -3.780 }}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 2, 22d, 24 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 26c, 36, 46 }}


[[Badness]]: 0.157619
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.83


=== 11-limit ===
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Comma list: 56/55, 77/75, 1323/1280
Comma list: 385/384, 441/440, 686/675


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 1 9 11 8 | 0 2 -4 -5 -1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 2 7 6 3 | 0 3 -6 -1 10 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~10/7 = 650.130
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~45/32 = 599.8022{{c}}, ~8/7 = 235.0185{{c}}
* CWE: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~8/7 = 235.0893{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 2, 22d, 24 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 36e, 46, 102, 148 }}


Badness: 0.063483
Badness (Sintel): 1.49


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Comma list: 56/55, 77/75, 105/104, 507/500
Comma list: 91/90, 169/168, 385/384, 441/440
 
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 2 7 6 3 7 | 0 3 -6 -1 10 1 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~45/32 = 599.9570{{c}}, ~8/7 = 235.0708{{c}}
* CWE: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~8/7 = 235.0862{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 36e, 46, 102, 148f }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 1.19
 
=== 17-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
 
Comma list: 91/90, 136/135, 154/153, 169/168, 256/255
 
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 2 7 6 3 7 7 | 0 3 -6 -1 10 1 3 }}


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 1 9 11 8 15 | 0 2 -4 -5 -1 -7 }}
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~17/12 = 599.9571{{c}}, ~8/7 = 235.0709{{c}}
* CWE: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~8/7 = 235.0860{{c}}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~10/7 = 650.535
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 36e, 46, 102, 148f }}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22df, 24 }}
Badness (Sintel): 0.983


Badness: 0.045731
; Music
* [https://untwelve.org/competition/2011 ''A Stiff Shot of Turpentine''] [https://untwelve.org/static/audio/competition/2011/Kosmorsky-A_Stiff_Shot_of_Turpentine.mp3 play] by [[Peter Kosmorsky]]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsBXIvBZY6A ''56edo Track (Echidnic16 Scale)''] by [[Budjarn Lambeth]] (2025)


== Quadrasruta ==
== Quadrasruta ==
Named by [[Xenllium]] in 2022, quadrasruta tempers out 2401/2400, the breedsma, and extends [[buzzard]]. It may be described as {{nowrap| 58 & 68 }}; its ploidacot is diploid alpha-tetracot. 126edo may be recommended as a tuning.
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


Line 1,045: Line 1,216:


{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 0 11 8 | 0 4 -8 -3 }}
{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 0 11 8 | 0 4 -8 -3 }}
: mapping generators: ~45/32, ~21/16


{{Multival|legend=1| 8 -16 -6 -44 -32 31 }}
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
 
* [[WE]]: ~45/32 = 599.4443{{c}}, ~21/16 = 475.7746{{c}}
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~21/16 = 476.216
: [[error map]]: {{val| -1.111 +1.143 +1.377 -0.595 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~21/16 = 476.2394{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +3.003 +3.771 +2.456 }}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 38c, 48c, 58, 68, 126 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, …, 58, 68, 126, 446bbccd }}


[[Badness]]: 0.073569
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.86


=== 11-limit ===
=== 11-limit ===
Line 1,059: Line 1,233:
Comma list: 176/175, 896/891, 2401/2400
Comma list: 176/175, 896/891, 2401/2400


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 8 22 | 0 4 -8 -3 -19 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 8 22 | 0 4 -8 -3 -19 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~21/16 = 476.118
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~45/32 = 599.4648{{c}}, ~21/16 = 475.6929{{c}}
* CWE: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~21/16 = 476.1507{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 58, 126, 184c, 310bccde }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10e, …, 58, 126, 184c, 310bccde }}


Badness: 0.049018
Badness (Sintel): 1.62


==== 13-limit ====
==== 13-limit ====
Line 1,072: Line 1,248:
Comma list: 176/175, 196/195, 512/507, 676/675
Comma list: 176/175, 196/195, 512/507, 676/675


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 8 22 9 | 0 4 -8 -3 -19 -2 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 8 22 9 | 0 4 -8 -3 -19 -2 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~21/16 = 476.099
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~45/32 = 599.3787{{c}}, ~21/16 = 475.6065{{c}}
* CWE: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~21/16 = 476.1345{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 58, 126f, 184cff }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10e, …, 58, 126f, 184cff }}


Badness: 0.028463
Badness (Sintel): 1.18


==== 17-limit ====
==== 17-limit ====
Line 1,085: Line 1,263:
Comma list: 136/135, 170/169, 176/175, 196/195, 256/255
Comma list: 136/135, 170/169, 176/175, 196/195, 256/255


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 8 22 9 5 | 0 4 -8 -3 -19 -2 4 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 8 22 9 5 | 0 4 -8 -3 -19 -2 4 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~17/12 = 1\2, ~21/16 = 476.162
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~17/12 = 599.5077{{c}}, ~21/16 = 475.7713{{c}}
* CWE: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~21/16 = 476.1814{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 58, 126f }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10e, 58, 126f }}


Badness: 0.023820
Badness (Sintel): 1.21


=== Quadrafourths ===
=== Quadrafourths ===
Line 1,098: Line 1,278:
Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 2048/2025
Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 2048/2025


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 8 -1 | 0 4 -8 -3 10 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 8 -1 | 0 4 -8 -3 10 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~21/16 = 476.017
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~45/32 = 599.2593{{c}}, ~21/16 = 475.4292{{c}}
* CWE: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~21/16 = 476.0088{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 38c, 48c, 58 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 48c, 58, 184cee, 242ccdeee }}


Badness: 0.049114
Badness (Sintel): 1.62


==== 13-limit ====
==== 13-limit ====
Line 1,111: Line 1,293:
Comma list: 144/143, 196/195, 243/242, 676/675
Comma list: 144/143, 196/195, 243/242, 676/675


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 8 -1 9 | 0 4 -8 -3 10 -2 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 8 -1 9 | 0 4 -8 -3 10 -2 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~45/32 = 1\2, ~21/16 = 476.028
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~45/32 = 599.2147{{c}}, ~21/16 = 475.4052{{c}}
* CWE: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~21/16 = 476.0253{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 38c, 48c, 58 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 48c, 58, 126eef, 184ceeff, 242ccdeeeff }}


Badness: 0.026743
Badness (Sintel): 1.11


==== 17-limit ====
==== 17-limit ====
Line 1,124: Line 1,308:
Comma list: 136/135, 144/143, 170/169, 196/195, 221/220
Comma list: 136/135, 144/143, 170/169, 196/195, 221/220


Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 11 8 -1 9 5 | 0 4 -8 -3 10 -2 4 }}
{{Mapping|legend=0| 2 0 11 8 -1 9 5 | 0 4 -8 -3 10 -2 4 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~17/12 = 599.3353{{c}}, ~21/16 = 475.5495{{c}}
* CWE: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~21/16 = 476.0691{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 48c, 58 }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 1.13
 
== Subgroup extensions ==
=== Srutal archagall (2.3.5.17) ===
{{See also | Fiventeen }}
 
This extension of 5-limit diaschismic adds prime 17 and which with respect to [[MVP archagall]] is able to express the harmonics [[75/1|75]] and [[85/1|85]] in their appropriate prime subgroup. It achieves this by equating [[85/64]] with [[4/3]] by tempering out their difference of [[256/255]] (S16). Therefore it also tempers out [[289/288]] (S17) and thus equates [[17/15]] with [[9/8]] due to tempering out [[136/135]] (S16⋅S17). It could be described as the 10 & 12 temperament with strong emphasis on 12edo being the better tuning on the 2.3.5.17 subgroup, implying ideal tunings of 34edo, 46edo or 80edo.
 
Subgroup: 2.3.5.17
 
Comma list: 136/135, 256/255
 
{{Mapping|legend=2| 2 0 11 5 | 0 1 -2 1 }}
: mapping generators: ~17/12, ~3


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~17/12 = 1\2, ~21/16 = 476.077
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~45/32 = 599.5585{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.6188{{c}}
* CWE: ~45/32 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.1356{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 38c, 48c, 58, 126eef, 184ceeff }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 12, 22, 34, 80, 114, 194bc }}


Badness: 0.022239
Badness (Sintel): 0.212


[[Category:Diaschismic family| ]] <!-- main article -->
[[Category:Temperament families]]
[[Category:Temperament families]]
[[Category:Diaschismic family| ]] <!-- main article -->
[[Category:Catalogs of rank-2 temperaments]]
[[Category:Diaschismic| ]] <!-- key article -->
[[Category:Rank 2]]