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This page discusses miscellaneous [[rank-2 temperament|rank-2]] [[regular temperament|temperaments]] [[tempering out]] [[225/224]], the marvel comma or septimal kleisma.
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This page discusses some of the temperaments tempering out [[225_224|225/224]], the [[marvel comma]] or [[septimal kleisma]]. These include negri, wizard, tritonic, septimin, slender, triton and marvo. Considered elsewhere are meantone, miracle, magic, pajara, orwell, catakleismic, garibaldi, august, compton, sharp, escapade and mavila.
Temperaments considered in families and clans are:
* ''[[Pelogic]]'' (+21/20 or 135/128) → [[Mavila family #Pelogic|Mavila family]]
* [[Meantone]] (+81/80 or 126/125) → [[Meantone family #Septimal meantone|Meantone family]]
* [[Garibaldi]] (+3125/3087) → [[Schismatic family #Garibaldi|Schismatic family]]
* [[Pajara]] (+50/49 or 64/63) → [[Diaschismic family #Pajara|Diaschismic family]]
* ''[[Sharpie]]'' (+25/24 or 28/27) → [[Dicot family #Sharpie|Dicot family]]
* ''[[Immune]]'' (+781250/750141) → [[Immunity family #Immune|Immunity family]]
* ''[[August]]'' (+36/35 or 128/125) → [[Augmented family #August|Augmented family]]
* ''[[Fog]]'' (+156250/151263) → [[Misty family #Fog|Misty family]]
* [[Bunya]] (+15625/15309) → [[Tetracot family #Bunya|Tetracot family]]
* [[Negri]] (+49/48) → [[Semaphoresmic clan #Negri|Semaphoresmic clan]]
* [[Magic]] (+245/243) → [[Magic family #Magic|Magic family]]
* ''[[Passive]]'' (+256/245) → [[Passion family #Passive|Passion family]]
* ''[[Houborizic]]'' (+1250000/1240029) → [[Amity family #Houborizic|Amity family]]
* ''[[Qintosec]]'' (+2560000/2470629) → [[Quintosec family #Qintosec|Quintosec family]]
* [[Miracle]] (+1029/1024) → [[Gamelismic clan #Miracle|Gamelismic clan]]
* [[Catakleismic]] (+4375/4374) → [[Kleismic family #Catakleismic|Kleismic family]]
* ''[[Marvo]]'' (+78125000/78121827) → [[Gravity family #Marvo|Gravity family]]
* [[Orwell]] (+1728/1715) → [[Semicomma family #Orwell|Semicomma family]]
* ''[[Snipes]]'' (+6125/5832)  → [[Wesley family #Snipes|Wesley family]]
* ''[[Demibuzzard]]'' (+65536/64827) → [[Buzzardsmic clan #Demibuzzard|Buzzardsmic clan]]
* ''[[Escapist]]'' (+65625/65536) → [[Escapade family #Escapist|Escapade family]]
* ''[[Amavil]]'' (+17496/16807) → [[Mabila family #Amavil|Mabila family]]
* ''[[Betic]]'' (+1071875/1062882) → [[Sycamore family #Betic|Sycamore family]]
* [[Wizard]] (+118098/117649) → [[Stearnsmic clan #Wizard|Stearnsmic clan]]
* ''[[Raccoon]]'' (+41943040/40353607) → [[Vavoom family #Raccoon|Vavoom family]]
* ''[[Maquila]]'' (+30233088/28824005) → [[Maquila family #Septimal maquila|Maquila family]]
* ''[[Gammy]]'' (+94143178827/91913281250) → [[Gammic family #Gammy|Gammic family]]
* [[Compton]] (+250047/250000) → [[Compton family #Compton|Compton family]]


Since (5/4)^2 = 225/224 * 14/9, these temperaments tend to have a relatively small complexity for 5/4. They also possess 5/4-9/7 versions of the augmented triad. Since this is a chord of meantone temperament in wide use in Western common practice harmony long before 12edo established itself as the standard tuning, it is arguably more authentic to tune it as two stacked major thirds and a diminished fourth, which is what it is in meantone, than as the modern version of three stacked very sharp major thirds.
Considered below are tritonic, septimin, merman, slender, triton, marvolo, decic, enneaportent, gracecordial, alphorn, misneb, untriton, naiadical, quintannic, hendeca, gwazy, and tertiosec, in the order of increasing [[badness]].  


=Negri=
Since {{nowrap|(5/4)<sup>2</sup> {{=}} (225/224)⋅(14/9)}}, these temperaments tend to have a relatively small complexity for 5/4. They also possess a version of the augmented triad where each third approximates either 5/4 or 9/7. Since this is a chord of meantone temperament in wide use in Western common practice harmony long before 12edo established itself as the standard tuning, it is arguably more authentic to tune it as two stacked major thirds and a diminished fourth, which is what it is in meantone, than as the modern version of three stacked very sharp major thirds.
[[Comma]]s: 49/48, 225/224


[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: 125.608
The melodic signature of marvel temperaments is that 16/15 and 15/14 are tempered to be equal. Hence 8/7 can be divided into two equal parts.


[[Map]]: [&lt;1 2 2 3|, &lt;0 -4 3 -2|]
Marvel tempering allows for a tritone substitution whereby the dominant seventh chord formed by adding 16/9 above the root shares its tritone with a 4:5:6:7 tetrad. (The tritone of the dominant seventh is {{nowrap|(16/9)/(5/4) {{=}} 64/45}}. Setting this equal to 10/7 gives {{nowrap|(10/7)/(64/45) {{=}} 225/224}}.)
[[Wedgie]]: &lt;&lt;4 -3 2 -14 -8 13||
EDOs: [[9edo|9]], [[10edo|10]], [[19edo|19]], [[86edo|86]]


==11-limit==  
== Tritonic ==
Commas: 45/44, 49/48, 56/55
: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Tritonic]].''


[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 126.474
Tritonic tempers out [[50421/50000]] and may be described as the {{nowrap| 29 & 31 }} temperament. It splits the [[6/1|6th]] [[harmonic]] into five generators of [[~]][[10/7]] [[tritone]]s, hence the name. Its [[ploidacot]] is beta-pentacot. [[60edo]] may be used as a tuning, which in the 11-limit entails the 60e val.  


Map: [&lt;1 2 2 3 4|, &lt;0 -4 3 -2 -5|]
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
EDOs: 9, 10, 19
[[Badness]]: 0.0262


==13-limit==
[[Comma list]]: 225/224, 50421/50000
Commas: 45/44, 49/48, 56/55, 78/77


[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 126.431
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -1 8 9 | 0 5 -11 -12 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~10/7


Map: [&lt;1 2 2 3 4 4|, &lt;0 -4 3 -2 -5 -3|]
[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
EDOs: 9, 10, 19
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1201.3539{{c}}, ~10/7 = 620.4131{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| +1.354 -1.243 -0.027 -1.598 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 619.6778{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -3.566 -2.769 -4.959 }}


=Negril=
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 29, 31, 60, 91, 122, 213bcd }}
Commas: 49/48, 100/99, 225/224


POTE generator: ~15/14 = 124.767
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.20


Map: [&lt;1 2 2 3 2|, &lt;0 -4 3 -2 14|]
=== 11-limit ===
EDOs: 9, 10, 19, [[29edo|29]], [[48edo|48]], [[77edo|77]]
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Badness: 0.0387


==13-limit==
Comma list: 121/120, 225/224, 441/440
Commas: 49/48, 65/64, 91/90, 875/858


POTE generator: ~15/14 = 124.716
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 -1 8 9 5 | 0 5 -11 -12 -3 }}


Map: [&lt;1 2 2 3 2 4|, &lt;0 -4 3 -2 14 -3|]
Optimal tunings:  
EDOs: 9, 10, 19, 29, 48, 77
* WE: ~2 = 1201.7116{{c}}, ~10/7 = 620.6166{{c}}
Badness: 0.0244
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 619.6890{{c}}


=Negric=
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 29, 31, 60e, 91e, 213bcdeee }}
Commas: 33/32, 49/48, 77/75


POTE generator: ~15/14 = 127.039
Badness (Sintel): 0.782


Map: [&lt;1 2 2 3 3|, &lt;0 -4 3 -2 4|]
==== 13-limit ====
EDOs: 9, 19, [[85edo|85]]
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Badness: 0.0306


==13-limit==
Comma list: 105/104, 121/120, 196/195, 275/273
Commas: 33/32, 49/48, 65/64, 91/90


POTE generator: ~15/14 = 127.039
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 -1 8 9 5 13 | 0 5 -11 -12 -3 -18 }}


Map: [&lt;1 2 2 3 3 4|, &lt;0 -4 3 -2 4 -3|]
Optimal tunings:  
EDOs: 9, 19, 85
* WE: ~2 = 1201.5355{{c}}, ~10/7 = 620.6855{{c}}
Badness: 0.0202
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 619.8469{{c}}


=Wizard=
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 29, 31, 60e }}
Commas: 225/224, 118098/117649


[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: 383.256
Badness (Sintel): 0.950


Map: [&lt;2 1 5 2|, &lt;0 6 -1 10|]
==== 17-limit ====
Wedgie: &lt;&lt;12 -2 20 -31 -2 52||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
EDOs: [[22edo|22]], [[50edo|50]], [[72edo|72]], [[382edo|382]], [[454edo|454]]
Badness: 0.0408


==11-limit==
Comma list: 105/104, 121/120, 154/153, 196/195, 273/272
Commas: 225/224, 385/384, 4000/3993


[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: 383.232
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 -1 8 9 5 13 17 | 0 5 -11 -12 -3 -18 -25 }}


Map: [&lt;2 1 5 2 8|, &lt;0 6 -1 10 -3|]
Optimal tunings:  
EDOs: 22, 50, 72, [[166edo|166]], [[310edo|310]]
* WE: ~2 = 1201.5260{{c}}, ~10/7 = 620.7330{{c}}
Badness: 0.0185
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 619.8986{{c}}


==Lizard==
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 29g, 31, 60e }}
Commas: 225/224, 351/350, 364/363, 385/384


[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: 383.389
Badness (Sintel): 0.973


Map: [&lt;2 1 5 2 8 11|, &lt;0 6 -1 10 -3 -10|]
==== 19-limit ====
EDOs: 22, 50, 72
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19
Badness: 0.0218


===17-limit===
Comma list: 77/76, 105/104, 121/120, 153/152, 196/195, 273/272
Commas: 221/220, 273/272, 289/288, 351/350, 375/374


[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: 383.381
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 -1 8 9 5 13 17 12 | 0 5 -11 -12 -3 -18 -25 -15 }}


Map: [&lt;2 1 5 2 8 11 6|, &lt;0 6 -1 10 -3 -10 6|]
Optimal tunings:  
EDOs: 22, 50, 72
* WE: ~2 = 1201.3100{{c}}, ~10/7 = 620.6509{{c}}
Badness: 0.0145
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 619.9328{{c}}


===19-limit===
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 29g, 31, 60e }}
Commas: 153/152, 210/209, 221/220, 225/224, 273/272, 343/342


[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: ~5/4 = 383.477
Badness (Sintel): 1.03


Map: [&lt;2 1 5 2 8 11 6 2|, &lt;0 6 -1 10 -3 -10 6 18|]
==== 23-limit ====
EDOs: 22, 50, 72, [[194edo|194]], [[460edo|460]]
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19.23
Badness: 0.0157


==Gizzard==
Comma list: 77/76, 105/104, 115/114, 121/120, 153/152, 161/160, 196/195
Commas: 225/224, 385/384, 325/324, 1573/1568


POTE generator: ~5/4 = 383.170
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 -1 8 9 5 13 17 12 4 | 0 5 -11 -12 -3 -18 -25 -15 1 }}


Map: [&lt;2 1 5 2 8 -2|, &lt;0 6 -1 10 -3 26|]
Optimal tunings:  
EDOs: 22, [[28edo|28]], 50, 72, [[94edo|94]], 166
* WE: ~2 = 1201.4074{{c}}, ~10/7 = 620.7185{{c}}
Badness: 0.0203
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 619.9548{{c}}


===17-limit===
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 29g, 31, 60e }}
Commas: 225/224, 289/288, 325/324, 375/374, 385/384


POTE generator: ~5/4 = 383.175
Badness (Sintel): 1.04


Map: [&lt;2 1 5 2 8 -2 6|, &lt;0 6 -1 10 -3 26 6|]
=== Tritoni ===
EDOs: 22, 72, 94, 166, [[238edo|238]]
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Badness: 0.0136


===19-limit===
Comma list: 225/224, 385/384, 27783/27500
Commas: 225/224, 289/28, 325/324, 385/384, 494/493, 969/968


POTE generator: ~5/4 = 383.138
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 -1 8 9 -11 | 0 5 -11 -12 28 }}


Map: [&lt;2 1 5 2 8 -2 6 15|, &lt;0 6 -1 10 -3 26 6 -18|]
Optimal tunings:  
EDOs: 22, 72, 94, 166
* WE: ~2 = 1201.0888{{c}}, ~10/7 = 620.1733{{c}}
Badness: 0.0148
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 619.6146{{c}}


=Tritonic=
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 31, 91, 122, 153d }}
Commas: 225/224, 50421/50000


[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: 580.286
Badness (Sintel): 1.50


Map: [&lt;1 4 -3 -3|, &lt;0 -5 11 12|]
== Septimin ==
Wedgie: &lt;&lt;5 -11 -12 -29 -33 3||
: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Septimin]].''
EDOs: [[29edo|29]], [[31edo|31]], [[60edo|60]], [[91edo|91]], [[122edo|122]], [[213edo|213]]


==11-limit==
Septimin may be described as the {{nowrap| 41 & 50 }} temperament. It is generated by a septimal minor third ([[7/6]]), which gives rise to the name, but the generator can be taken to be the [[octave complement]], [[12/7]], such that eleven of them [[octave reduction|octave reduced]] give the [[3/2|perfect fifth]]; its [[ploidacot]] is thus eta-hendecacot. [[91edo]] may be recommended as a tuning.
Commas: 225/224, 385/384, 27783/27500


[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: 580.389
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


Map: [&lt;1 4 -3 -3 17|, &lt;0 -5 11 12 -28|]
[[Comma list]]: 225/224, 84035/82944
EDOs: 29, 31, 60, 91, 122, [[153edo|153]]


=Septimin=
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -7 7 -5 | 0 11 -6 10 }}
Commas: 225/224, 84035/82944
: mapping generators: ~2, ~12/7


[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: 263.632
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1201.2452{{c}}, ~12/7 = 937.3394{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| +1.245 +0.062 -1.633 -1.658 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~12/7 = 936.4036{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -1.516 -4.735 -4.790 }}


Map: [&lt;1 4 1 5|, &lt;0 -11 6 -10|]
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 9, 23, 32, 41, 91, 132d }}
Wedgie: &lt;&lt;11 -6 10 -35 -15 40||
EDOs: 9, [[32edo|32]], 41, 91, [[132edo|132]]


==11-limit==
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.38
Commas: 225/224, 385/384, 2401/2376


[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: 263.634
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Map: [&lt;1 4 1 5 5|, &lt;0 -11 6 -10 -7|]
Comma list: 225/224, 245/242, 385/384
EDOs: 9, 32, 41, 91


==13-limit==
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 -7 7 -5 -2 | 0 11 -6 10 7 }}
Commas: 105/104, 144/143, 196/195, 245/242


[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: 263.700
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1200.8059{{c}}, ~12/7 = 936.9952{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~12/7 = 936.3906{{c}}


Map: [&lt;1 4 1 5 5 7|, &lt;0 -11 6 -10 -7 -15|]
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 9, 23, 32, 41, 91, 223cdef }}
EDOs: 9, 41, 91


=Slender=
Badness (Sintel): 1.04
Commas: 225/225, 589824/588245


[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: ~49/48 = 38.413
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Map: [&lt;1 2 2 3|, &lt;0 -13 10 -6|]
Comma list: 105/104, 144/143, 196/195, 245/242
Wedgie: &lt;&lt;13 -10 6 -46 -27 42||
EDOs: 31, 94, 125
Badness: 0.0569


==11-limit==
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 -7 7 -5 -2 -8 | 0 11 -6 10 7 15 }}
Commas: 225/224, 385/384, 1331/1323


[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: ~49/48 = 38.387
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1200.5990{{c}}, ~12/7 = 936.7670{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~12/7 = 936.3196{{c}}


Map: [&lt;1 2 2 3 4|, &lt;0 -13 10 -6 -17|]
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 9, 32f, 41, 91 }}
EDOs: 31, 63, 94, 125
Badness: 25.342


==13-limit==
Badness (Sintel): 0.955
Commas: 225/224, 275/273, 385/384, 1331/1323


POTE generator: ~49/48 = 38.314
== Merman ==
: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Merman]].''


Map: [&lt;1 2 2 3 4 3|, &lt;0 -13 10 -6 -17 22|]
Merman may be described as the {{nowrap| 41 & 43 }} temperament. Like [[#Tritonic|tritonic]], it is generated by a [[~]][[10/7]] [[tritone]], but here, seven generator steps give the [[interval class]] of [[3/1|3]]. The [[ploidacot]] for this temperament is gamma-heptacot.  
EDOs: 31, 63, 94
Badness: 25.913


=Triton=
The name was likely derived from {{w|Triton (mythology)|''Triton''}}, which was in turn derived from ''tritonic''.
Commas: 225/224, 1029/1000


[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: 568.865
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


Map: [&lt;1 0 6 7|, &lt;0 3 -7 -8|]
[[Comma list]]: 225/224, 2500000/2470629
Wedgie: &lt;&lt;3 -7 -8 -18 -21 1||
EDOs: 19, 135, 289


=Marvo=
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -2 10 11 | 0 7 -15 -16 }}
Commas: 225/224, 78125000/78121827
: mapping generators: ~2, ~10/7


[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: (~27/20) 516.694
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.3898{{c}}, ~10/7 = 614.6413{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.390 -0.435 -1.630 +1.634 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 614.4073{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -1.104 -2.423 +0.657 }}


Map: [&lt;1 5 12 29|, &lt;0 -6 -17 -46|]
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 41, 84, 125 }}
Wedgie: &lt;&lt;6, 17, 46, 13, 56 59||
EDOs: 65, 72


==11-limit==
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.39
Commas: 225/224, 243/242, 4000/3993


[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: 516.699
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Map: [&lt;1 5 12 29 12|, &lt;0 -6 -17 -46 -15|]
Comma list: 225/224, 441/440, 1344/1331
EDOs: 65, 72, 281, 497</pre></div>
 
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Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1199.9578{{c}}, ~10/7 = 614.3720{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 614.3943{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 41, 84, 125e }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 1.20
 
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 144/143, 225/224, 364/363, 441/440
 
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 -2 10 11 5 -5 | 0 7 -15 -16 -3 17 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1199.7422{{c}}, ~10/7 = 614.2110{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 614.3442{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 41, 84, 125e, 209ef, 293ef }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 1.14
 
=== Mermaid ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Comma list: 225/224, 385/384, 532400/531441
 
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 -2 10 11 -16 | 0 7 -15 -16 38 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1199.4973{{c}}, ~10/7 = 614.7004{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 614.4470{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 41, 84e, 125, 166 }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 1.46
 
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 225/224, 325/324, 385/384, 10648/10647
 
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 -2 10 11 22 32 | 0 7 -15 -16 38 58 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1200.5126{{c}}, ~10/7 = 614.7152{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 614.4562{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 41, 84ef, 125f, 166 }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 1.47
 
== Slender ==
Slender tempers out the [[hewuermera comma]] in addition to the marvel comma, and may be described as the {{nowrap| 31 & 32 }} temperament. This temperament has a generator of [[49/48]], three of which equal marvel's [[16/15]][[~]][[15/14]], and ten generators give [[5/4]]. Its [[ploidacot]] is omega-13-cot.
 
The name was likely derived from ''slendro diesis'', one of the names for the interval 49/48.
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
 
[[Comma list]]: 225/224, 589824/588245
 
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 2 2 3 | 0 -13 10 -6 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~49/48
 
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.3816{{c}}, ~49/48 = 38.4256{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.382 -0.725 -1.295 +1.765 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~49/48 = 38.4079{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -1.257 -2.235 +0.727 }}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 31, 94, 125, 406c }}
 
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.44
 
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.
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