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| | The parent of the '''tetracot family''' is [[tetracot]], the [[5-limit]] [[regular temperament|temperament]] [[tempering out]] the [[tetracot comma]] ([[ratio]]: 20000/19683, {{monzo|legend=1| 5 -9 4 }}). |
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| The parent of the **tetracot family** is **tetracot**, the 5-limit temperament [[tempering out]] 20000/19683 = |5 -9 4>, the minimal diesis or tetracot comma. The dual of this comma is the wedgie <<4 9 5||, which tells us 10/9 is a generator, and that four of them give 3/2. In fact, (10/9)^4 = 20000/19683 * 3/2. We also have (10/9)^9 = (20000/19683)^2 * 5/2. From this it is evident we should flatten the generator a bit, and [[34edo]] does this and makes for a recommendable tuning. Another possibility is to use (5/2)^(1/9) for a generator. The 13-note MOS gives enough space for eight triads, with the 20-note MOS supplying many more.
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| | == Tetracot == |
| | {{Main| Tetracot }} |
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| Map: [<1 1 1|, <0 4 9|]
| | The [[generator]] of tetracot is [[~]][[10/9]], and that four of these give [[~]][[3/2]]. In fact, (10/9)<sup>4</sup> = (20000/19683)⋅(3/2). We also have (10/9)<sup>9</sup> = (20000/19683)<sup>2</sup>⋅(5/2). From this it is evident we should flatten the generator a bit, and [[34edo]] does this and makes for a recommendable tuning. Another possibility is to use (5/2)<sup>1/9</sup> for a generator. The 13-note [[mos]] gives enough space for eight triads, with the 20-note mos supplying many more. |
| EDOs: 14c, 27, 34, 75, 109, 470b, 579b
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| ==Seven limit children==
| | The name comes from members of the Araucaria family of conifers, which have four cotyledons (though sometimes these are fused). |
| The second comma of the [[Normal lists|normal comma list]] defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Adding 875/864, the keema, gives monkey, and 179200/177147 (or equivalently 225/224) gives bunya (the names come from members of the Araucaria family of conifers, which have four cotyledons, though sometimes these are fused.) Adding 245/243 gives octacot, which splits the generator in half. | |
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| ===Monkey and Bunya===
| | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5 |
| Monkey, the monkey puzzle tree temperament, tempers out the keema and has a wedgie <<4 9 -15 5 -35 -60||. The keema, 875/864, is the amount by which three just minor thirds fall short of 7/4, and tells us the 7/4 of monkey is reached by three minor thirds in succession. It can be described as the 34&41 temperament, if the vals in question are taken to be [[Patent val|patent vals]], meaning that n*log2(prime) rounded to the nearest integer gives the mapping. [[41edo]] is an excellent tuning for monkey, and has the effect of making monkey identical to bunya with the same tuning.
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| Bunya, the bunya-bunya tree temperament, adds 225/224 to the list of commas and may be described as the 41&75 temperament. It has <<4 9 26 5 30 35|| as a wedgie, and [[41edo]] can again be used as a tuning, in which case it is the same as monkey. However an excellent alternative is (14)^(1/26) as a generator, giving just 7s and an improved value for 5, at the cost of a slightly sharper, but still less than a cent sharp, fifth. Octave stretching, if employed, also serves to distinguish bunya from monkey, as its octaves should be stretched considerably less.
| | [[Comma list]]: 20000/19683 |
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| Since the generator in all cases is between 10/9 and 11/10, it is natural to extend these temperaments to the 11-limit by tempering out (10/9)/(11/10) = 100/99. This gives 11-limit monkey, <<4 9 -15 10 ...|| and 11-limit banya, <<4 9 26 10...||. Again, [[41edo]] can be used as a tuning, making the two identical, which is also the case if we turn to the {2,3,5,11} temperament, dispensing with 7. However 11-limit bunya, like 7-limit bunya, profits a little from a slightly sharper fifth, such as the (14)^(1/26) generator supplies, or even sharper yet, as for instance by the val <355 563 823 997 1230|, with a 52/355 generator.
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| Since 16/13 is shy of (10/9)^2 by just 325/324, it is likewise natural to extend our winning streak with these temperaments by adding this to the list of commas. This gives us <<4 9 -15 10 -2 ...|| for 13-limit monkey and <<4 9 26 10 -2 ...|| for 13-limit bunya. Once again, 41 is recommended as a tuning for monkey, while banyan can with advantage tune the fifth sharper: 17/116 as a generator with a fifth a cent and a half sharp or 11/75 with a fifth two cents sharp.
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| | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1199.5586{{c}}, ~10/9 = 176.0950{{c}} |
| | : [[error map]]: {{val| -0.441 +1.984 -1.900 }} |
| | * [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/9 = 176.0965{{c}} |
| | : error map: {{val| 0.000 +2.431 -1.445 }} |
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| =Monkey=
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| Commas: 5120/5103, 875/864
| | * [[5-odd-limit]]: ~10/9 = {{monzo| -1/9 0 1/9 }} |
| | : [[eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.5 |
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| [[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 175.659
| | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 20c, 27, 34, 75, 109 }} |
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| Map: [<1 1 1 5|, <0 4 9 -15|]
| | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.14 |
| EDOs: 7, 34, 41, 321cd
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| Badness: 0.0734
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| ==11-limit== | | === Overview to extensions === |
| Commas: 243/242, 385/384, 100/99
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| | Since the generator in all reasonable tunings is between 10/9 and [[11/10]], it is natural to extend tetracot to the [[11-limit]] by tempering out (10/9)/(11/10) = [[100/99]]. This gives the [[2.3.5.11 subgroup|2.3.5.11-subgroup]] version of tetracot, dispensing with 7. For this, [[41edo]] can be used as a tuning. |
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| [[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 175.570 | | Since [[16/13]] is shy of (10/9)<sup>2</sup> by just [[325/324]], it is likewise natural to extend our winning streak by adding this to the list of commas. This gives us [[2.3.5.11.13 subgroup|2.3.5.11.13-subgroup]] tetracot, which tempers out 100/99, [[144/143]] and [[243/242]], with the [[S-expression]]-based comma list {[[243/242|S9/S11]], [[100/99|S10]], [[144/143|S12]]}. |
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| Map: [<1 1 1 5 2|, <0 4 9 -15 10|]
| | ==== Full 7-limit extensions ==== |
| EDOs: 7, 34, 41, 123c
| | The second comma of the comma list defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. [[875/864]], the keema, gives monkey. [[225/224]] gives bunya. [[64/63]] gives modus. [[126/125]] gives wollemia. These all use the same generators as tetracot. |
| Badness: 0.0388
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| ==13-limit==
| | [[245/243]] gives octacot, which splits the generator in halves. [[3125/3087]] gives dodecacot, which splits the generator in thirds. [[50/49]] gives weasel, which splits the period in halves. |
| Commas: 100/99, 105/104, 144/143, 243/242
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| [[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 175.622
| | === 2.3.5.11 subgroup === |
| | Subgroup: 2.3.5.11 |
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| Map: [<1 1 1 5 2 4|, <0 4 9 -15 10 -2|]
| | Comma list: 100/99, 243/242 |
| EDOs: 7, 34, 41
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| Badness: 0.0284
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| =Bunya=
| | Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 1 2 | 0 4 9 10 }} |
| Commas: 225/224, 15625/15309
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| [[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 175.741
| | Optimal tunings: |
| | * WE: ~2 = 1199.3274{{c}}, ~10/9 = 175.8862{{c}} |
| | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/9 = 175.8847{{c}} |
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| Map: [<1 1 1 -1|, <0 4 9 26|]
| | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 20ce, 27e, 34, 41, 75e }} |
| EDOs: 41, 116, 157c, 198c
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| Badness: 0.0629
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| ==11-limit==
| | Badness (Sintel): 0.459 |
| Commas: 100/99, 225/224, 1344/1331
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| [[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 175.777
| | ==== 2.3.5.11.13 subgroup ==== |
| | Subgroup: 2.3.5.11.13 |
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| Map: [<1 1 1 -1 2|, <0 4 9 26 10|]
| | Comma list: 100/99, 144/143, 243/242 |
| EDOs: 41, 116e, 157ce
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| Badness: 0.0313
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| ==13-limit==
| | Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 1 2 4 | 0 4 9 10 -2 }} |
| Commas: 100/99, 144/143, 225/224, 243/242
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| [[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 175.886
| | Optimal tunings: |
| | * WE: ~2 = 1198.6852{{c}}, ~10/9 = 176.0034{{c}} |
| | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/9 = 176.0854{{c}} |
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| Map: [<1 1 1 -1 2 4|, <0 4 9 26 10 -2|]
| | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 20ce, 27e, 34, 41, 75e, 109ef }} |
| EDOs: 34d, 41, 75e, 116ef
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| Badness: 0.0249
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| =Modus=
| | Badness (Sintel): 0.489 |
| Commas: 64/63, 4375/4374
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| POTE generator: ~10/9 = 177.203
| | == Monkey == |
| | {{Main| Monkey }} |
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| Map: [<1 1 1 4|, <0 4 9 -8|]
| | Monkey tempers out the [[keema]]. The keema, 875/864, is the amount by which three [[6/5|just minor thirds]] fall short of [[7/4]], and tells us the ~7/4 of monkey is reached by three such minor thirds in succession. It can be described as the {{nowrap| 34 & 41 }} temperament. [[41edo]] is an excellent tuning for monkey, and has the effect of making monkey identical to [[#Bunya|bunya]] with the same tuning. |
| EDOs: 7, 27, 61d, 88bcd
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| Badness: 0.0682
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| ==11-limit==
| | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 |
| Commas: 64/63, 100/99, 243/242
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| POTE generator: ~10/9 = 177.053
| | [[Comma list]]: 875/864, 5120/5103 |
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| Map: [<1 1 1 4 2|, <0 4 9 -8 10|]
| | {{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 1 5 | 0 4 9 -15 }} |
| EDOs: 7, 20ce, 27e, 34d, 61de
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| Badness: 0.0351
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| ==13-limit== | | [[Optimal tuning]]s: |
| Commas: 64/63, 78/77, 100/99, 144/143
| | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.7982{{c}}, ~10/9 = 175.7757{{c}} |
| | : [[error map]]: {{val| +0.798 +1.946 -3.534 -1.470 }} |
| | * [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/9 = 175.6622{{c}} |
| | : error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.694 -5.354 -3.759 }} |
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| POTE generator: ~10/9 = 176.953
| | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 34, 41 }} |
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| Map: [<1 1 1 4 2 4|, <0 4 9 -8 10 -2|]
| | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.86 |
| EDOs: 7, 27e, 34d, 61de
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| Badness: 0.0238
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| =Ponens= | | === 11-limit === |
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| POTE generator: ~176.953 (?)
| | Comma list: 100/99, 243/242, 385/384 |
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| Map: [<1 1 1 4 3 4|, <0 4 9 -8 3 -2|]
| | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 1 5 2 | 0 4 9 -15 10 }} |
| *The 11 is about as bad as that of Modus, but flat instead of sharp, and much more abundant.
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| =Wollemia= | | Optimal tunings: |
| Commas: 126/125, 2240/2187
| | * WE: ~2 = 1200.3988{{c}}, ~10/9 = 175.6287{{c}} |
| | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/9 = 175.5750{{c}} |
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| POTE generator: ~10/9 = 177.357
| | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 34, 41 }} |
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| Map: [<1 1 1 0|, <0 4 9 19|]
| | Badness (Sintel): 1.28 |
| Wedgie: <<4 9 19 5 19 19||
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| EDOs: 27, 61, 88bc, 115bc
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| Badness: 0.0705
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| =Octacot= | | === 13-limit === |
| Octacot cuts the Gordian knot of deciding between the monkey and bunya mappings for 7 by cutting the generator in half and splitting the difference. It adds 245/243 to the normal comma list, and also tempers out 2401/2400. It has wedgie <<8 18 11 10 -5 -25|| and may also be described as 41&68. [[68edo]] or [[109edo]] can be used as tunings, as can (5/2)^(1/18), which gives just major thirds. Another tuning is [[150edo]], which has a generator, 11/150, of exactly 88 cents. This relates octacot to the [[88cET]] non-octave temperament, which like [[Carlos Alpha]] arguably makes more sense viewed as part of a rank two temperament with octaves rather than rank one without them.
| | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 |
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| Once again and for the same reasons, it is natural to add 100/99 and 325/324 to the list of commas, giving <<8 18 11 20 -4 ...|| as the octave part of the wedgie. Generators of 3/41, 8/109 and 11/150 (88 cents) are all good choices for the 7, 11 and 13 limits.
| | Comma list: 100/99, 105/104, 144/143, 243/242 |
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| Commas: 245/243, 2401/2400
| | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 1 5 2 4 | 0 4 9 -15 10 -2 }} |
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| [[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 88.076
| | Optimal tunings: |
| | * WE: ~2 = 1199.9206{{c}}, ~10/9 = 175.6108{{c}} |
| | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/9 = 175.6217{{c}} |
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| Map: [<1 1 1 2|, <0 8 18 11|]
| | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 34, 41 }} |
| EDOs: 14c, 27, 41, 68, 109
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| ==11-limit==
| | Badness (Sintel): 1.17 |
| Commas: 100/99, 243/242, 245/242
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| [[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 87.975
| | === 17-limit === |
| | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17 |
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| Map: [<1 1 1 2 2|, <0 8 18 11 20|]
| | Comma list: 100/99, 105/104, 144/143, 154/153, 170/169 |
| EDOs: 27e, 41, 109e, 150e, 191e
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| | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 1 5 2 4 6 | 0 4 9 -15 10 -2 -13 }} |
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| Commas: 100/99, 144/143, 196/195, 243/242
| | * WE: ~2 = 1199.5029{{c}}, ~10/9 = 175.6832{{c}} |
| | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/9 = 175.7558{{c}} |
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| [[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: ~22/21 = 88.106
| | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 34, 41 }} |
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| Map: [<1 1 1 2 2 4|, <0 8 18 11 20 -4|]
| | Badness (Sintel): 1.32 |
| EDOs: 27e, 41, 68e, 109ef
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| | Comma list: 100/99, 105/104, 144/143, 154/153, 170/169, 171/169 |
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| | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 1 5 2 4 6 6 | 0 4 9 -15 10 -2 -13 -12 }} |
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| | * WE: ~2 = 1199.7318{{c}}, ~10/9 = 175.6498{{c}} |
| | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/9 = 175.6901{{c}} |
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| | Badness (Sintel): 1.35 |
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| | == Bunya == |
| | {{Main| Bunya }} |
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| | Bunya adds [[225/224]] to the list of commas and may be described as the {{nowrap| 34d & 41 }} temperament. [[41edo]] can again be used as a tuning, in which case it is the same as [[#Monkey|monkey]]. However, bunya profits a little from a slightly sharper fifth. An excellent generator is 14<sup>1/26</sup>, giving just ~7's and an improved value for ~5, at the cost of a slightly sharper but still less-than-a-cent-sharp fifth, or even sharper yet: 17\116 with a fifth a cent and a half sharp, or 11\75 with a fifth two cents sharp. [[Octave stretching]], if employed, also serves to distinguish bunya from monkey, as its octaves should be stretched considerably less. |
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| | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 |
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| | [[Comma list]]: 225/224, 15625/15309 |
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| | {{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 1 -1 | 0 4 9 26 }} |
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| | [[Optimal tuning]]s: |
| | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.2991{{c}}, ~10/9 = 175.7844{{c}} |
| | : [[error map]]: {{val| +0.299 +1.482 -3.955 +1.270 }} |
| | * [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/9 = 175.7567{{c}} |
| | : error map: {{val| 0.000 +1.072 -4.503 +0.849 }} |
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| | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7d, …, 34d, 41, 116, 157c, 198c }} |
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| | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.59 |
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| | === 11-limit === |
| | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 |
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| | Comma list: 100/99, 225/224, 243/242 |
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| | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 1 -1 2 | 0 4 9 26 10 }} |
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| | * WE: ~2 = 1199.7481{{c}}, ~10/9 = 175.7401{{c}} |
| | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/9 = 175.7637{{c}} |
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| | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7d, …, 34d, 41, 116e }} |
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| | Badness (Sintel): 1.04 |
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| | === 13-limit === |
| | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 |
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| | Comma list: 100/99, 144/143, 225/224, 243/242 |