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The '''canou family''' of rank-3 temperaments tempers out the [[canousma]], 4802000/4782969 = {{monzo| 4 -14 3 4 }}, a 7-limit comma measuring about 6.9 cents.
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The '''canthartic family''' of [[rank-3 temperament]]s [[tempering out|tempers out]] the [[cathartic comma]] ({{monzo|legend=1| 4 -14 3 4 }}, [[ratio]]: 4802000/4782969), a 7-limit comma measuring about 6.9 [[cent]]s.


== Canou ==
== Cathartic ==
{{Main| Canou temperament }}
[[File:Lattice Orthocanousmic.png|thumb|Lattice for cathartic.]]
[[File:Lattice Orthocanousmic Rearranged.png|thumb|Ditto, but re-arranged into hemitwelfths.]]
{{See also| Cathartic scales }}


The canou temperament features a period of an octave and generators of [[3/2]] and [[81/70]]. The 81/70-generator is about 255 cents. Two of them interestingly make [[980/729]] at about 510 cents, an audibly off perfect fourth. Three make [[14/9]]; four make [[9/5]]. It therefore also features splitting the septimal diesis, [[49/48]], into three equal parts, making two distinct [[interseptimal]] intervals related to the 35th harmonic.  
Cathartic (formerly ''canou'') features a [[period]] of an [[octave]] and [[generator]]s of [[3/2]] and [[81/70]]. The ~81/70 generator is about 255 cents wide, three of which make [[14/9]], and four make [[9/5]]. It therefore splits the large septimal diesis, [[49/48]], into three equal parts, guaranteeing the existence of two [[interseptimal interval]]s related to the 35th harmonic.  


For tunings, a basic option would be [[99edo]], although [[80edo]] is even simpler and distinctive. More intricate tunings are provided by [[311edo]] and [[410edo]], whereas the [[optimal patent val]] goes up to [[1131edo]], relating it to the [[amicable]] temperament.  
A basic tuning option would be [[99edo]], although [[80edo]] is even simpler and distinctive. More intricate tunings are provided by [[311edo]] and [[410edo]], whereas the [[optimal patent val]] goes up to [[1131edo]], associating it with the [[amicable]] temperament.  


It has a neat extension to the 2.3.5.7.17.19 subgroup with virtually no additional errors. The [[comma basis]] is {1216/1215, 1225/1224, 1445/1444}. Otherwise, 11- and 13-limit extensions are somewhat less ideal.  
9-, 14- and 19-note scales are highly characteristic for the temperament, with the abundance of [[28/27]] subminor seconds making it melodically active.  


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: [[4802000/4782969]]
[[Comma list]]: 4802000/4782969


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 }}, {{val| 0 1 2 2 }}, {{val| 0 0 -4 3 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 0 -1 | 0 1 2 2 | 0 0 -4 3 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~81/70


Lattice basis:  
Lattice basis:  
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: Angle (3/2, 81/70) = 73.88 deg
: Angle (3/2, 81/70) = 73.88 deg


Optimal tuning ([[CTE]]): ~3/2 = 702.3175, ~81/70 = 254.6220
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1199.9597{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.3492{{c}}, ~81/70 = 254.6168{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| -0.040 +0.354 -0.163 -0.317 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.3455{{c}}, ~81/70 = 254.6237{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.390 -0.118 -0.264 }}


[[Minimax tuning]]:  
[[Minimax tuning]]:  
* [[7-odd-limit]]: 3 +c/14, 5 and 7 just
* [[7-odd-limit]]: 3 +c/14, 5 and 7 just
: [[Eigenmonzo basis]] ([[unchanged-interval basis]]): 2.5.7
: [[eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.5.7
* [[9-odd-limit]]: 3 just, 5 and 7 -c/7 to 3 +c/14, 5 and 7 just
* [[9-odd-limit]]: 3 just, 5 and 7 -c/7 to 3 +c/14, 5 and 7 just
: [[Eigenmonzo basis]] ([[unchanged-interval basis]]): 2.7/5
: [[eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.7/5


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 19, 56d, 61d, 75, 80, 94, 99, 212, 292, 311, 410, 1131, 1541b, 1659b }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 19, 56d, 61d, 75, 80, 94, 99, 212, 292, 311, 410, 1131, 1541b, 1659b }}


[[Badness]]: 1.122 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 4.95


[[Complexity spectrum]]: 4/3, 9/7, 9/8, 7/6, 6/5, 10/9, 5/4, 8/7, 7/5
[[Complexity spectrum]]: 4/3, 9/7, 9/8, 7/6, 6/5, 10/9, 5/4, 8/7, 7/5


=== 2.3.5.7.17 subgroup ===
== Undecimal cathartic ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.17
The fifth is in the range where a stack of four (i.e. a major third) can serve as ~[[19/15]] and a stack of five (i.e. a major seventh) can serve as ~[[19/10]], tempering out [[1216/1215]]. Moreover, the last generator of ~81/70 is sharpened to slightly overshoot [[22/19]], so it only makes sense to temper out their difference, [[1540/1539]]. The implied 11-limit comma is the [[symbiotic comma]].  


Comma list: 1225/1224, 295936/295245
Since the syntonic comma has been split in two, it is natural to map [[19/17]] to the mean of [[9/8]] and [[10/9]], tempering out [[1445/1444]], while the other 11-limit comma, [[42875/42768]] (S34⋅S35<sup>2</sup>), suggests tempering out [[595/594]] (S34⋅S35), [[1156/1155]] (S34), and [[1225/1224]] (S35), which coincides with above. Finally, we can map [[23/20]] to the fourth complement of 22/19 to make an equidistant sequence consisting of 7/6, 22/19, 23/20, and 8/7, tempering out [[760/759]]. These extensions add little additional error, and [[311edo]] remains an excellent tuning in all cases.  
 
Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 -5 }}, {{val| 0 1 2 2 6 }}, {{val| 0 0 -4 3 -2 }}]
 
Optimal tuning (CTE): ~3/2 = 702.3458, ~81/70 = 254.6233
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 94, 99, 193, 217, 292, 311, 410, 1131, 1541b }}
 
Badness: 0.775 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
 
=== 2.3.5.7.17.19 subgroup ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.17.19
 
Comma list: 1216/1215, 1225/1224, 1445/1444
 
Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 -5 -6 }}, {{val| 0 1 2 2 6 7 }}, {{val| 0 0 -4 3 -2 -4 }}]
 
Optimal tuning (CTE): ~3/2 = 702.3233, ~81/70 = 254.6279
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 94, 99, 118, 193, 217, 292h, 311, 410, 721 }}
 
Badness: 0.548 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
 
== Synca ==
Synca, for symbiotic canou, adds the [[symbiotic comma]] and the [[wilschisma]] to the comma list.  


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11
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[[Comma list]]: 19712/19683, 42875/42768
[[Comma list]]: 19712/19683, 42875/42768


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 -7 }}, {{val| 0 1 2 2 7 }}, {{val| 0 0 -4 3 -3 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 0 -1 -7 | 0 1 2 2 7 | 0 0 -4 3 -3 }}


Optimal tuning ([[CTE]]): ~3/2 = 702.2115, ~81/70 = 254.6215
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.0568{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.2009{{c}}, ~81/70 = 254.6291{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.057 +0.303 -0.314 -0.480 +0.201 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.1829{{c}}, ~81/70 = 254.6186{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.0000 +0.228 -0.422 -0.604 +0.107 }}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 94, 99e, 118, 193, 212, 311, 740, 1051d }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 24, …, 75e, 94, 99e, 118, 193, 212, 311, 740, 1051d }}


[[Badness]]: 2.04 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.45


[[Complexity spectrum]]: 4/3, 9/8, 9/7, 7/6, 5/4, 6/5, 10/9, 11/9, 8/7, 12/11, 11/10, 14/11, 11/8, 7/5
[[Complexity spectrum]]: 4/3, 9/8, 9/7, 7/6, 5/4, 6/5, 10/9, 11/9, 8/7, 12/11, 11/10, 14/11, 11/8, 7/5


=== 13-limit ===
=== 2.3.5.7.11.17 subgroup ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.17


Comma list: 2080/2079, 19712/19683, 42875/42768
Comma list: 595/594, 1156/1155, 19712/19683


Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 -7 -13 }}, {{val| 0 1 2 2 7 10 }}, {{val| 0 0 -4 3 -3 4 }}]
Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 -7 -5 | 0 1 2 2 7 6 | 0 0 -4 3 -3 -2 }}


Optimal tuning (CTE): ~3/2 = 702.2075, ~81/70 = 254.6183
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1200.0485{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.2481{{c}}, ~51/44 = 254.6343{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.2325{{c}}, ~51/44 = 254.6253{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 94, 118f, 193f, 212, 217, 311, 740, 1051d }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 24, …, 75e, 94, 99e, 118, 193, 212g, 217, 311, 1051dg }}


Badness: 2.56 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
Badness (Sintel): 1.01


=== 17-limit ===
=== 2.3.5.7.11.17.19 subgroup ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.17.19


Comma list: 595/594, 833/832, 1156/1155, 19712/19683
Comma list: 595/594, 969/968, 1156/1155, 1216/1215


Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 -7 -13 -5 }}, {{val| 0 1 2 2 7 10 6 }}, {{val| 0 0 -4 3 -3 4 -2 }}]
Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 -7 -5 -6 | 0 1 2 2 7 6 7 | 0 0 -4 3 -3 -2 -4 }}


Optimal tuning (CTE): ~3/2 = 702.2296, ~51/44 = 254.6012
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1200.0444{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.2569{{c}}, ~22/19 = 254.6305{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.2421{{c}}, ~22/19 = 254.6224{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 94, 118f, 193f, 212g, 217, 311, 740g, 1051dg }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 24, …, 75e, 94, 99e, 118, 193, 217, 311, 1051dgh }}


Badness: 1.49 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
Badness (Sintel): 0.641


=== 19-limit ===
=== 2.3.5.7.11.17.19.23 subgroup ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.17.19.23


Comma list: 595/594, 833/832, 969/968, 1156/1155, 1216/1215
Comma list: 595/594, 760/759, 875/874, 969/968, 1156/1155


Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 -7 -13 -5 -6 }}, {{val| 0 1 2 2 7 10 6 7 }}, {{val| 0 0 -4 3 -3 4 -2 -4 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 -7 -5 -6 4 | 0 1 2 2 7 6 7 1 | 0 0 -4 3 -3 -2 -4 -5 }}


Optimal tuning (CTE): ~3/2 = 702.2355, ~22/19 = 254.5930
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1199.9778{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.2794{{c}}, ~22/19 = 254.6572{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.2883{{c}}, ~22/19 = 254.6625{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 94, 118f, 193f, 212gh, 217, 311, 740g, 1051dgh }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 24, 75e, 94, 99e, 118, 193, 217, 311 }}


Badness: 1.00 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
Badness (Sintel): 0.703


== Canta ==
== Canta ==
By adding [[896/891]], the pentacircle comma, [[33/32]] is equated with 28/27, so the scale is filled with this 33/32~28/27 mixture. This may be described as 75e & 80 & 99e, and 80edo makes the optimal. It has a natural extension to the 13-limit since 896/891 = (352/351)(364/363), named ''gentcanta'' in earlier materials.  
By adding [[896/891]], the pentacircle comma, [[33/32]] is equated with 28/27, so the scale is filled with this 33/32~28/27 mixture. This may be described as {{nowrap| 75e & 80 & 99e }}, and 80edo makes the optimal. It has a natural extension to the 13-limit since 896/891 = (352/351)(364/363), named ''gentcanta'' in earlier materials.  


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11
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[[Comma list]]: 896/891, 472392/471625
[[Comma list]]: 896/891, 472392/471625


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 6 }}, {{val| 0 1 2 2 -2 }}, {{val| 0 0 4 -3 -3 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 0 -1 6 | 0 1 2 2 -2 | 0 0 4 -3 -3 }}


Optimal tuning ([[CTE]]): ~3/2 = 702.8093, ~64/55 = 254.3378
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1199.0708{{c}}, ~3/2 = 703.1969{{c}}, ~64/55 = 254.4161{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| -0.929 +0.313 +0.557 -0.113 +1.820 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 703.5249{{c}}, ~64/55 = 254.5492{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +1.570 +2.539 +1.871 +5.280 }}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 75e, 80, 99e, 179e }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 75e, 80, 99e, 179e, 457bcddeeee }}


[[Badness]]: 4.523 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 5.43


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
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Comma list: 352/351, 364/363, 472392/471625
Comma list: 352/351, 364/363, 472392/471625


Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 6 11 }}, {{val| 0 1 2 2 -2 -5 }}, {{val| 0 0 4 -3 -3 -3 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 6 11 | 0 1 2 2 -2 -5 | 0 0 4 -3 -3 -3 }}
 
Optimal tuning (CTE): ~3/2 = 703.6228, ~64/55 = 254.3447


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 75e, 80, 99ef, 179ef }}
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1199.0093{{c}}, ~3/2 = 703.2884{{c}}, ~64/55 = 254.4219{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 703.8323{{c}}, ~64/55 = 254.5887{{c}}


Badness: 4.781 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 75e, 80, 99ef, 179ef, 462bccddeeeff }}


== Semicanou ==
Badness (Sintel): 4.47
Semicanou adds [[9801/9800]], the kalisma, to the comma list, and may be described as 80 & 94 & 118. It splits the octave into two equal parts, each representing 99/70~140/99. Note that 99/70 = (81/70)(11/9), this extension is more than natural.  


The other comma necessary to define it is 14641/14580, the [[semicanousma]], which is the difference between [[121/120]] and [[243/242]]. By flattening the 11th harmonic by one cent, it identifies [[20/11]] by three [[11/9]]'s stacked, so an octave can be divided into 11/9-11/9-11/9-11/10.  
== Semicathart ==
Semicathart (formerly ''semicanou'') adds 9801/9800, the [[kalisma]], to the comma list, and may be described as {{nowrap| 80 & 94 & 118 }}. It splits the octave into two equal parts, each representing 99/70~140/99. This takes advantage of the fact that {{nowrap| 99/70 {{=}} (81/70)⋅(11/9) }}.  


Natural extensions arise up to the 19-limit, and 410edo provides a satisfactory tuning solution to any of them.  
The other comma necessary to define it is 14641/14580, the [[semicathartisma]], which is the difference between [[121/120]] and [[243/242]]. By flattening the 11th harmonic by about one cent, it identifies [[20/11]] by three [[11/9]]'s stacked, so an octave can be divided into 11/9, 11/9, 11/9, and 11/10.  


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11
Line 155: Line 153:
[[Comma list]]: 9801/9800, 14641/14580
[[Comma list]]: 9801/9800, 14641/14580


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 2 0 0 -2 1 }}, {{val| 0 1 2 2 2 }}, {{val| 0 0 -4 3 -1 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 0 0 -2 1 | 0 1 2 2 2 | 0 0 -4 3 -1 }}
 
: mapping generators: ~99/70, ~3, ~81/70
Mapping generators: ~99/70, ~3, ~81/70


Optimal tuning ([[CTE]]): ~3/2 = 702.4262, ~81/70 = 254.6191
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~99/70 = 600.0142{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.4017{{c}}, ~81/70 = 254.6228{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.028 +0.475 +0.055 -0.126 -1.066 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~99/70 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.4048{{c}}, ~81/70 = 254.6179{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.0000 +0.450 +0.024 -0.163 -1.126 }}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 80, 94, 118, 198, 212, 292, 330e, 410 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 80, 94, 118, 198, 212, 292, 330e, 410 }}


[[Badness]]: 2.197 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.64
 
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 1716/1715, 2080/2079, 14641/14580
 
Mapping: [{{val| 2 0 0 -2 1 -11 }}, {{val| 0 1 2 2 2 5 }}, {{val| 0 0 -4 3 -1 6 }}]
 
Optimal tuning (CTE): ~3/2 = 702.4802, ~81/70 = 254.6526
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 80f, 94, 118f, 198, 410 }}
 
Badness: 2.974 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
 
==== 17-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
 
Comma list: 715/714, 1089/1088, 1225/1224, 14641/14580
 
Mapping: [{{val| 2 0 0 -2 1 -11 -10 }}, {{val| 0 1 2 2 2 5 6 }}, {{val| 0 0 -4 3 -1 6 -2 }}]
 
Optimal tuning (CTE): ~3/2 = 702.4415, ~81/70 = 254.6663
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 94, 118f, 198g, 212g, 292, 410 }}
 
Badness: 2.421 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
 
==== 19-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19
 
Comma list: 715/714, 1089/1088, 1216/1215, 1225/1224, 1445/1444
 
Mapping: [{{val| 2 0 0 -2 1 -11 -10 -12 }}, {{val| 0 1 2 2 2 5 6 7 }}, {{val| 0 0 -4 3 -1 6 -2 -4 }}]
 
Optimal tuning (CTE): ~3/2 = 702.4030, ~81/70 = 254.6870
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 94, 118f, 198gh, 212gh, 292h, 410, 622ef }}
 
Badness: 2.177 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
 
=== Semicanoumint ===
This extension was named ''semicanou'' in the earlier materials. It adds [[352/351]], the minthma, to the comma list, so that the flat ~11/9 simultaneously represents ~39/32.
 
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 352/351, 9801/9800, 14641/14580
 
Mapping: [{{val| 2 0 0 -2 1 11 }}, {{val| 0 1 2 2 2 -1 }}, {{val| 0 0 -4 3 -1 -1 }}]
 
Optimal tuning (CTE): ~3/2 = 702.5374, ~81/70 = 254.6819
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 80, 94, 118, 174d, 198, 490f }}
 
Badness: 2.701 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
 
=== Semicanouwolf ===
This extension was named ''gentsemicanou'' in the earlier materials. It adds [[351/350]], the ratwolfsma, as wells as [[364/363]], the gentle comma, to the comma list. Since 351/350 = (81/70)/(15/13), the 81/70-generator simultaneously represents 15/13, adding a lot of fun to the scale.
 
Not supported by many patent vals, 80edo easily makes the optimal. Yet 104edo in 104c val and 118edo in 118f val are worth mentioning, and the temperament may be described as 80 & 104c & 118f.
 
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 351/350, 364/363, 11011/10935
 
Mapping: [{{val| 2 0 0 -2 1 0 }}, {{val| 0 1 2 2 2 3 }}, {{val| 0 0 -4 3 -1 -5 }}]
 
Optimal tuning (CTE): ~3/2 = 702.7417, ~15/13 = 254.3382
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 80, 104c, 118f, 198f, 420cff }}
 
Badness: 3.511 × 10<sup>-3</sup>


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