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These temper out the keema, {{monzo| -5 -3 3 1 }} = [[875/864]]. Keemic temperaments include [[Magic family #Magic|magic]], [[Kleismic family #Keemun|keemun]], [[Meantone family #Flattone|flattone]], [[Porcupine family #Porcupine|porcupine]], [[Jubilismic clan #Doublewide|doublewide]], [[Gamelismic clan #Superkleismic|superkleismic]], [[Sycamore family #Sycamore|sycamore]] and quasitemp.
This is a collection of [[rank-2 temperament|linear]] [[regular temperament|temperaments]] that [[tempering out|temper out]] the [[keema]] ({{monzo|legend=1| -5 -3 3 1 }}, [[ratio]]: 875/864), with [[S-expression]] S5/S6. Its fundamental equivalence entails that [[6/5]] is sharpened so that it stacks three times to reach [[7/4]], and the interval between 6/5 and [[5/4]] is compressed so that [[7/6]]–6/5–5/4–[[9/7]] are set equidistant from each other. As the canonical extension of rank-3 [[keemic]] to the [[11-limit]] tempers out the commas [[100/99]] and [[385/384]] (whereby ([[6/5]])<sup>2</sup> is identified with [[16/11]]), this provides a clean way to extend the various keemic temperaments to the 11-limit as well.


= Quasitemp =
Full [[7-limit]] keemic temperaments discussed elsewhere are:
Comma: 6103515625/5804752896
* [[Flattone]] (+81/80) → [[Meantone family #Flattone|Meantone family]]
* ''[[Mujannabic]]'' (+25/24) → [[Dicot family #Dicot|Dicot family]]
* [[Porcupine]] (+64/63) → [[Porcupine family #Septimal porcupine|Porcupine family]]
* [[Monkey]] (+5120/5103) → [[Tetracot family #Monkey|Tetracot family]]
* [[Magic]] (+225/224) → [[Magic family #Septimal magic|Magic family]]
* [[Keemun]] (+49/48) → [[Kleismic family #Keemun|Kleismic family]]
* ''[[Wesley]]'' (+405/392) → [[Wesley family #Septimal wesley|Wesley family]]
* ''[[Doublewide]]'' (+50/49) → [[Jubilismic clan #Doublewide|Jubilismic clan]]
* [[Superkleismic]] (+1029/1024) → [[Gamelismic clan #Superkleismic|Gamelismic clan]]
* ''[[Fifives]]'' (+83349/81920) → [[Fifive family #Fifives|Fifive family]]
* ''[[Sycamore]]'' (+686/675) → [[Sycamore family #Septimal sycamore|Sycamore family]]


POTE generator: ~3125/2592 = 292.702
Discussed below are quasitemp, chromo, barbad, pentadecal, undeka, hyperkleismic, and sevond, in the order of increasing [[TE logflat badness]].


Map: [&lt;1 5 5|, &lt;0 -14 -11|]
== Quasitemp ==
: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Quasitemp]].''


EDOs: {{EDOs| 4, 37, 41, 78 }}
Quasitemp tempers out [[2401/2400]] in addition to 875/864 and may be described as the {{nowrap| 37 & 41 }} temperament. It is characterized by equating the interval between the pental and septimal thirds ([[36/35]]) with the classical chromatic semitone ([[25/24]]), and by tempering together the septimal dieses of [[49/48]] and [[50/49]]. In that sense, it is opposed to [[orwellismic temperaments]], in particular [[myna]], where the distance between the pental and septimal thirds is the same as the septimal dieses and different from the classical chromatic semitone.


Badness: 0.7678
Quasitemp can also be thought of as a [[strong extension]] of the 2.5/3.7/3-subgroup temperament called [[gariberttet]], which is defined by tempering out [[3125/3087]]. In gariberttet, three generators reach [[5/3]] and five reach [[7/3]], so that the generator itself has the interpretation of [[25/21]]. This implies that 3:5:7 and 5:6:7 chords are reached rather quickly. Quasitemp tempering out 875/864 entails that [[8/7]] is found after 9 generators, from which the mappings of 3 and 5 follow.  


== 7-limit ==
Note that the generator is given as 25/21's octave complement, 42/25, in the data that follow, since a stack of 14 such generators octave-reduced is the perfect fifth, whence the temperament's [[ploidacot]] is iota-14-cot. This generator is equated to [[22/13]] for the 13-limit extension, tempering out [[275/273]].
Commas: 875/864, 2401/2400


POTE generator ~25/21 = 292.710
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


Map: [&lt;1 5 5 5|, &lt;0 -14 -11 -9|]
[[Comma list]]: 875/864, 2401/2400


Wedgie: &lt;&lt;14 11 9 -15 -25 -10||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -9 -6 -4 | 0 14 11 9 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~42/25


EDOs: {{EDOs| 4, 37, 41, 78 }}
[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.9237{{c}}, ~42/25 = 907.9887{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.924 +1.573 -3.981 -0.623 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~42/25 = 907.3471{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.905 -5.495 -2.702 }}


Badness: 0.0603
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 4, …, 37, 41 }}


== 11-limit ==
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.53
Commas: 100/99, 385/384, 1375/1372


POTE generator: ~25/21 = 292.547
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Map: [&lt;1 5 5 5 2|, &lt;0 -14 -11 -9 6|]
Comma list: 100/99, 385/384, 1375/1372


EDOs: {{EDOs| 4, 37, 41, 78, 119 }}
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -9 -6 -4 8 | 0 14 11 9 -6 }}


Badness: 0.0432
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1199.9585{{c}}, ~42/25 = 907.4221{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~42/25 = 907.4521{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 4, 37, 41, 119 }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 1.43
 
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 100/99, 196/195, 275/273, 385/384
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -9 -6 -4 8 9 | 0 14 11 9 -6 -7 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1199.4376{{c}}, ~22/13 = 907.1175{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~22/13 = 907.5314{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 4, 37, 41, 78, 119f }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 1.36
 
=== Quato ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 625/616
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -9 -6 -4 -23 | 0 14 11 9 35 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1201.2729{{c}}, ~42/25 = 908.1116{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~42/25 = 907.2109{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 41, 127cd, 168cd }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 1.36
 
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 105/104, 243/242, 275/273, 325/324
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -9 -6 -4 -23 -22 | 0 14 11 9 35 34 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1201.4078{{c}}, ~42/25 = 908.1362{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~42/25 = 907.1370{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 41, 86ce }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 1.24
 
== Chromo ==
: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Chromo]].''
 
Chromo represents the [[13edf]] chain as a rank-2 temperament, with [[6/5]] and [[5/4]] mapped to 6 and 7 steps, respectively. Since the difference of those two intervals is abbreviated considerably from just, keemic provides the most meaningful 7-limit extension (setting [[7/6]], 6/5, 5/4, [[9/7]] equidistant) so that the temperament then approximates the [[4:5:6:7]] tetrad with 0:7:13:18 generator steps.
 
Note that if one allows a more complex mapping for prime 7 and wants a larger prime limit, one may prefer [[escapade]].
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
 
[[Comma list]]: 875/864, 2430/2401
 
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 2 2 | 0 13 7 18 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~36/35
 
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1201.4060{{c}}, ~36/35 = 53.8791{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| +1.406 -0.121 -6.348 +3.810 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~36/35 = 53.9055{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -1.183 -8.975 +1.474 }}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22, 45, 67c }}
 
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.30
 
== Barbad ==
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
 
[[Comma list]]: 875/864, 16875/16807
 
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -10 -5 -10 | 0 19 12 21 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~98/75
 
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1201.0462{{c}}, ~75/49 = 732.3071{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| +1.046 +1.418 -3.859 -0.838 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~75/49 = 731.7183{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.692 -5.694 -2.742 }}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 18, 23d, 41 }}
 
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.80
 
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Comma list: 245/242, 540/539, 625/616
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -10 -5 -10 -13 | 0 19 12 21 27 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1200.8513{{c}}, ~75/49 = 732.1519{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~75/49 = 731.6740{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 18e, 23de, 41 }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 1.66


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
Commas: 100/99, 196/195, 275/273, 385/384
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 144/143, 196/195, 245/242, 275/273
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -10 -5 -10 -13 -3 | 0 19 12 21 27 11 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1199.7960{{c}}, ~20/13 = 731.6053{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~20/13 = 731.7208{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 18e, 23de, 41 }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 1.62
 
== Pentadecal ==
: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Pentadecal]].''
 
Named by [[Xenllium]] in 2021, pentadecal tempers out the 15-5/3-comma ({{monzo| -11 -15 15 }}) in the 5-limit. This temperament can be described as {{nowrap| 15 & 60 }} temperament, tempering out the [[cloudy comma]], 16807/16384 and the [[keema]], 875/864 in the 7-limit.
 
=== 7-limit ===
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
 
[[Comma list]]: 875/864, 16807/16384
 
{{Mapping|legend=1| 15 0 11 42 | 0 1 1 0 }}
: mapping generators: ~21/20, ~3
 
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~21/20 = 80.1141{{c}}, ~3/2 = 700.2213{{c}} (~126/125 = 19.8053{{c}})
: [[error map]]: {{val| +1.711 +0.977 -2.127 -4.035 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~21/20 = 80.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 701.2357{{c}} (~126/125 = 19.7643{{c}})
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.719 -5.078 -8.826 }}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 15, 45, 60 }}
 
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.91
 
==== 2.3.5.7.13 subgroup ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.13
 
Comma list: 105/104, 325/324, 15625/15379
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 15 0 11 42 52 8 | 0 1 1 0 0 2 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~21/20 = 80.1133{{c}}, ~3/2 = 700.1871{{c}} (~91/90 = 20.8325{{c}})
* CWE: ~21/20 = 80.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 700.2086{{c}} (~91/90 = 19.7914{{c}})
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 15, 30bcff, 45f, 60 }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 1.80
 
=== Quindecal ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Comma list: 121/120, 441/440, 875/864
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 15 0 11 42 28 | 0 1 1 0 1 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~21/20 = 80.1322{{c}}, ~3/2 = 701.4751{{c}} (~126/125 = 19.7148{{c}})
* CWE: ~21/20 = 80.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 701.5453{{c}} (~126/125 = 18.4547{{c}})
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 15, 45e, 60e }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 1.47
 
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 105/104, 121/120, 275/273, 325/324
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 15 0 11 42 28 8 | 0 1 1 0 1 2 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~21/20 = 80.1359{{c}}, ~3/2 = 700.2567{{c}} (~91/90 = 20.9661{{c}})
* CWE: ~21/20 = 80.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 700.2955{{c}} (~91/90 = 19.7045{{c}})
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 15, 30bceff, 45ef, 60e }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 1.34
 
== Undeka ==
: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Undeka]].''
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
 
[[Comma list]]: 875/864, 3200/3087
 
{{Mapping|legend=1| 11 0 8 31 | 0 1 1 0 }}
: mapping generators: ~21/20, ~3
 
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~21/20 = 108.9318{{c}}, ~3/2 = 707.7579{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| -1.750 +4.053 -8.852 +8.059 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~21/20 = 109.0909{{c}}, ~3/2 = 707.7526{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +5.798 -5.834 +12.992 }}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 11b, 22 }}


POTE generator: ~13/11 = 292.457
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 3.59


Map: [&lt;1 5 5 5 2 2|, &lt;0 -14 -11 -9 6 7|]
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


EDOs: {{EDOs| 4, 37, 41, 78, 119f }}
Comma list: 100/99, 352/343, 385/384


Badness: 0.0329
Mapping: {{mapping| 11 0 8 31 38 | 0 1 1 0 0 }}


== Quato ==
Optimal tunings:
Commas: 243/242, 441/440, 625/616
* WE: ~21/20 = 109.0321{{c}}, ~3/2 = 706.3870{{c}}
* CWE: ~21/20 = 109.0909{{c}}, ~3/2 = 706.4785{{c}}


POTE generator: ~25/21 = 292.851
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 11c, 22 }}


Map: [&lt;1 5 5 5 12|, &lt;0 -14 -11 -9 -35|]
Badness (Sintel): 2.27


EDOs: {{EDOs| 41, 127cd, 168cd }}
=== 2.3.5.7.11.17 subgroup ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.17


Badness: 0.0412
Comma list: 85/84, 100/99, 121/119, 385/384
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 11 0 8 31 38 45 | 0 1 1 0 0 0 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~17/16 = 109.0232{{c}}, ~3/2 = 706.5074{{c}}
* CWE: ~17/16 = 109.0909{{c}}, ~3/2 = 706.6786{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 11c, 22 }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 1.82
 
== Hyperkleismic ==
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
 
[[Comma list]]: 875/864, 51200/50421
 
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -3 -2 2 | 0 17 16 3 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~6/5
 
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.0290{{c}}, ~6/5 = 323.7882{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.029 +2.358 -5.759 +2.597 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~6/5 = 323.7816{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +2.332 -5.808 +2.519 }}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 26, 37, 63 }}
 
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 3.99
 
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Comma list: 100/99, 385/384, 2420/2401
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -3 -2 2 4 | 0 17 16 3 -2}}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1199.9010{{c}}, ~6/5 = 323.7691{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~6/5 = 323.7931{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 26, 37, 63 }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 2.16


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
Commas: 105/104, 243/242, 275/273, 325/324
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 100/99, 169/168, 275/273, 385/384
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -3 -2 2 4 1 | 0 17 16 3 -2 10 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1200.0524{{c}}, ~6/5 = 323.8039{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~6/5 = 323.7912{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 26, 37, 63 }}


POTE generator: ~13/11 = 292.928
Badness (Sintel): 1.48


Map: [&lt;1 5 5 5 12 12|, &lt;0 -14 -11 -9 -35 -34|]
== Sevond ==
: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Syntonic–chromatic equivalence continuum #Sevond (5-limit)]].''


EDOs: {{EDOs| 41, 86ce, 127cd }}
10/9 is tempered to be exactly 1\7. Therefore 3/2 is 1 generator sharp of a 7edo step and 5/4 is 2 generators sharp.


Badness: 0.0301
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


= Barbad =
[[Comma list]]: 875/864, 327680/321489
Commas: 875/864, 16875/16807


POTE generator: ~75/49 = 468.331
{{Mapping|legend=1| 7 0 -6 53 | 0 1 2 -3 }}
: mapping generators: ~10/9, ~3


Map: [&lt;1 9 7 11|, &lt;0 -19 -12 -21|]
[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
* [[WE]]: ~10/9 = 171.4007{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.4982{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| -0.195 +3.348 -4.112 -0.499 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~10/9 = 171.4286{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.6057{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +3.651 -3.674 +0.071 }}


Wedgie: &lt;&lt;19 12 21 -25 -20 15||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, …, 56, 63, 119 }}


EDOs: {{EDOs| 18, 23d, 41 }}
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 5.23


Badness: 0.1104
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


== 11-limit ==
Comma list: 100/99, 385/384, 6655/6561
Commas: 245/242, 540/539, 625/616


POTE generator: ~98/75 = 468.367
Mapping: {{mapping| 7 0 -6 53 2 | 0 1 2 -3 2 }}


Map: [&lt;1 9 7 11 14|, &lt;0 -19 -12 -21 -27|]
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~11/10 = 171.3859{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.3421{{c}}
* CWE: ~11/10 = 171.4286{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.4973{{c}}


EDOs: {{EDOs| 18e, 23de, 41, 228ccdd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 56, 63, 119 }}


Badness: 0.0501
Badness (Sintel): 2.33
 
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


== 13-limit ==
Comma list: 100/99, 169/168, 352/351, 385/384
Commas: 144/143, 196/195, 245/242, 275/273


POTE generator: ~13/10 = 468.270
Mapping: {{mapping| 7 0 -6 53 2 37 | 0 1 2 -3 2 -1 }}


Map: [&lt;1 9 7 11 14 8|, &lt;0 -19 -12 -21 -27 -11|]
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~11/10 = 171.4163{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.2930{{c}}
* CWE: ~11/10 = 171.4286{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.3402{{c}}


EDOs: {{EDOs| 18e, 23de, 41 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 56, 63, 119 }}


Badness: 0.0392
Badness (Sintel): 1.70


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